Hindus, Muslims are separate nations: Geelani

[adelansari]

Hi All,
As my Name suggest I am a Muslim and my flags state that I am an Indian.
Firstly I am tired with the whole Kashmir issue.. There is a way in which the Kashmiri struggle is being potryaed as some sort of Jihad and drawing parallels with palestine. There is not even a single common ground in Jihad and Kashmiri struggle. It would be a Jihad if Indian state did not allowed practice of Islam.. ( Infact India is the only country with Muslim Minority having a separate Muslim Personal Law Board.. ) Muslims can live peacefully ( barring some tensions) so where is the question of jihad.
I do not support the selfish cause of some Kashmiri maniacs fulfilling Pakistani interest. WHy should i support Kashmir issue Will they allow a muslim from UP to become a part of Kashmir if at all it gets independent..

We have with a lot of difficulty overcome and proved ourselves after 1947 we do not want another, it will put all the 160 million muslims in trouble again..
KAshmir rejecting to be with India on grounds of religion means they rejecting to be with 160 Million Indian Muslims ( Is this Ummah's united nation) and weakening the Muslims in India..So I take it is as an Insult as a Muslim..
KAsmiiris rejecting on Basis of Kashmiriyat than as an Indian I cant let it happen as it will be disastrous for India's interest..

A word of advice for Pakistanis.. Please more than Kashmiris, Uigurs in CHina need help or are they not considered to be Muslims.....

 

[Man of Thoughts]

By your logic,say if you are from Punjab province of Pakistan,then you have no right to speak for Sindh province of Pakistan.Now thats ironical,isnt it???

our army don't kill his own people claiming Kashmir to be you part is only a big joke,a joke that actually exists

 

[A1Kaid]

By your logic,say if you are from Punjab province of Pakistan,then you have no right to speak for Sindh province of Pakistan.Now thats ironical,isnt it???

Punjab is a province of Pakistan Sindh is a province of Pakistan each have their own provincial government and each settle their internal matters, with over sight of federal govenment if needed.

Kashmir is disputed territory, the Kashmiri people have am answer to this dispute. As by the UN right to self determination, free of Hind occupation, and more.


You are not a Kashmiri you have no right in Kashmir nor tell Kashmiris what they should decide, you have no right to dictate, no nothing at all.

Don't speak for Kashmir understand? How audacious some of you are.

 

[nForce]

Don't worry Brother If now a Kargil happens it will be Sub kuch Gull

sure my friend.....some people thought on the same line back in '65,when pre-emptive strikes were launched,someone again thought of having breakfast at Longewala,lunch at Jaisalmer and dinner at Jodhpur back in '71,someone again thought that pushing a few NLI soldiers in disguise of terrorists will win them the land.

Every time they thought this time,"Sab Kuch Gull"...Well we all know the history.You lost almost half of your country in this process of hate.....

The question is,"Why the hatred???"

 

[Dash]

Punjab is a province of Pakistan Sindh is a province of Pakistan each have their own provincial government and each settle their internal matters, with over sight of federal govenment if needed.

Kashmir is disputed territory, the Kashmiri people have am answer to this dispute. As by the UN right to self determination, free of Hind occupation, and more.


You are not a Kashmiri you have no right in Kashmir nor tell Kashmiris what they should decide, you have no right to dictate, no nothing at all.

Don't speak for Kashmir understand? How audacious some of you are.

Then you speak for Kashmiris, we will listen....

Come on guys , lets educate ourselves.

 

[Man of Thoughts]

sure my friend.....some people thought on the same line back in '65,when pre-emptive strikes were launched,someone again thought of having breakfast at Longewala,lunch at Jaisalmer and dinner at Jodhpur back in '71,someone again thought that pushing a few NLI soldiers in disguise of terrorists will win them the land.

Every time they thought this time,"Sab Kuch Gull"...Well we all know the history.You lost almost half of your country in this process of hate.....

The question is,"Why the hatred???"

Some People in 65 also think of Breakfast in Lahore

 

[A1Kaid]

My opinion and my peoples opinion is certainly more valid and matters more than yours after all it is Kashmiri people who have the right to self determination.

Kashmiris are not imposing their army on others it is others imposing and occupying Kashmir. Honestly, in a plebiscite you wouldn't even be eligible to vote, again what gives you the right to decide for Kashmir? Nothing, why don't you guys listen actually listen?!

 

[nForce]

our army don't kill his own people claiming Kashmir to be you part is only a big joke,a joke that actually exists

ohh no.. you invite the Americans to march on your own land and do the killing......The Indian Armed Forces present in Kashmir are there to fight the insurgents.a major portion of them are the JAKLI,and the local police,which consist of Kashmiris only.

There have been incidents where Armed Forces have been involved in wrong activities.You come to know about it,because we have a free,sensible and independent press in our country,unlike many others.I dont deny that facts.But the rule of law prevail in the land,and the culprits are brought to justice.

There have been numerous incidents of grenade attacks in civilian places like Lalchowk in Srinagar,there have been fatwas like women sould not go to school or college or work,talking about the 90's here.But thankfully Indian Armed Forces subdued those insurgents and nowadays there are hardly any terrorist incident which was kind of a norm back in the 90's......

 

[gubbi]

After all, more than 85 per cent of the population of the state at that time were Muslims;


Islam teaches that Muslims must follow the guidance of Islam in every action of theirs -- not just in prayers but also in matters such as war and peace, trade, international relations and so on, because Islam is a complete way of life.


But do you really see Indian Hindus and Muslims as two separate 'nations'? After all, they share so much in common.

They are totally separate nations. There is no doubt at all about this. Muslims believe in just one God, but Hindus believe in crores of Gods.

Islam lays down that in an Islamic system (nizam) all non-Muslims, including even atheists, will get equality, justice, security of life and property and freedom of faith. Maulana Maududi


I meant to say this in a particular sense. Islam, as I said, is a complete way of life. No other path is acceptable to God. So, in the absence of an Islamic polity, it is difficult for Muslims to lead their lives entirely in accordance with the rules of Islam, which apply to social affairs as much as they do to personal affairs.


Now, as for your question about those Sufis who lived and worked in societies where Muslims were in a minority -- they may have been pious people, but we take as our only model the Prophet Muhammad.


If India stations lakhs of troops in Kashmir and says this is for establishing peace, how can it be, because these troops themselves are disturbing the peace?

To your mind, which is the best functioning 'Islamic state' in the world today?

Saudi Arabia is described as an Islamic state, but it is run by a monarchy, and monarchy has no sanction in Islam. If Muslim countries, including those that claim to be 'Islamic', were truly Islamic states they would never have been enslaved to America, as is the case today.

If Pakistan is now so pro-American, acting against its own people, and if it is not an authentic 'Islamic state', then why have you been advocating Kashmir's union with it?

I admit that there are weaknesses in Pakistan, but these can be addressed. India has a secular system, which we can under no condition accept.

Read the article. The old geezer has lost it, both brains and brawns.

On one hand he says that Muslims cannot live with non-Muslims because it affects and dilutes and corrupts their faith. On the other he quotes verses which call for religious harmony.

He doesnt understand the concept of Hinduism - ranting ignorantly about a "crore Gods".

Discriminates against the Sufis - the version followed by the majority of Kashmiris.

Is virulently anti-American and yet wants to accede to Pakistan - the beloved ally of US.

Says there is no 'true' Islamic state, clearly says that Pakistan isnt Islamic and yet wants to join it. (I really woner what kind of Islam he has in store for Pakistan - seems like hes gonna be talibunny's ****!)

Hindus and Muslims cannot form one state. Sounds very familiar! Wait where have we heard this before.....oh yes! Here

In Muhammad Ali Jinnah's All India Muslim League Presidential Address delivered at Lahore, on March 22–23, 1940, he explained:
“ It is extremely difficult to appreciate why our Hindu friends fail to understand the real nature of Islam and Hinduism. They are not religions in the strict sense of the word, but are, in fact, different and distinct social orders, and it is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality, and this misconception of one Indian nation has troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time. The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, litterateurs. They neither intermarry nor interdine together and, indeed, they belong to two different civilizations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspect on life and of life are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Mussalmans derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different epics, different heroes, and different episodes. Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other and, likewise, their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent and final destruction of any fabric that may be so built for the government of such a state.

And we all know how things turned out!

Geelani's condition can be medically termed as 'senile dementia'.

 

[nForce]

Punjab is a province of Pakistan Sindh is a province of Pakistan each have their own provincial government and each settle their internal matters, with over sight of federal govenment if needed.

Kashmir is disputed territory, the Kashmiri people have am answer to this dispute. As by the UN right to self determination, free of Hind occupation, and more.


You are not a Kashmiri you have no right in Kashmir nor tell Kashmiris what they should decide, you have no right to dictate, no nothing at all.

Don't speak for Kashmir understand? How audacious some of you are.

Let us not even bring UN resolutions in the scenario.While the state of Jammu and Kashmir acceded to India,in order to hold the UN resolution true:
1.Pakistan must firstly vacate Pak administered Kashmir.

2.Pakistan must vacate the part of Kashmir that it gave to China.

You cant have the butter and the cream both at the same time.

Don't believe me?? Go through the UN resolution in relation.I have read it top to bottom.

 

[A1Kaid]

Again you have no right to make orders, Kashmiri people are not demanding Pakistani troops leave Azad Kashmir. The unconditional Plebiscite must be held as promised by Nehru, observed by international institutions.


It is Hind that must leave Kashmir, you don't make decision about what Kashmiris do with their land.

 

[nForce]

Again you have no right to make orders, Kashmiri people are not demanding Pakistani troops leave Azad Kashmir. The unconditional Plebiscite must be held as promised by Nehru, observed by international institutions.


It is Hind that must leave Kashmir, you don't make decision about what Kashmiris do with their land.

As by the UN right to self determination, free of Hind occupation, and more.

So now you go against the very UN behind which you were hiding??

A classic case of eating your own words.....I will suggest you to go through the UN resolution yet again.Had you done that before taking the name of UN??? C'mon now... everybody in this forum are not ignorant teenagers high on adrenaline.....

 

[MYSTIC]

Again you have no right to make orders, Kashmiri people are not demanding Pakistani troops leave Azad Kashmir. The unconditional Plebiscite must be held as promised by Nehru, observed by international institutions.


It is Hind that must leave Kashmir, you don't make decision about what Kashmiris do with their land.

Kashmiri independence will be more painful for Pakistan than for India

 

[Peshwa]

Again you have no right to make orders, Kashmiri people are not demanding Pakistani troops leave Azad Kashmir. The unconditional Plebiscite must be held as promised by Nehru, observed by international institutions.


It is Hind that must leave Kashmir, you don't make decision about what Kashmiris do with their land.

a. You need to stop talking as though you have any power in this scenario....You or any other PAKISTANI that has vested interests in Kashmir has ZERO power to dictate us.....you really should do an analysis of your power projection....(PS: a nuclear bomb can only save your behind....NOT secure Kashmir)

b. Kashmiris need to convince the avg. Indian that Kashmiris need to be freed....Since we are the ones that hold the final say through our votes and opinions to change the scenario for you guys.....
Even the UN recognizes the dispute as an internal matter between India and Pakistan with the resolutions being NON-BINDING....so obviously we hold ALL power to facilitate such a plebiscite
So...as far as "right of voice" goes, we are pretty much at the top of this ladder....so please play nice....

Militarily....Pakistanis and seperatist Kashmiris have tried to displace the Indians from Kashmir....its rather impossible...
The results of the past wars should be enough said.....so please spare us the dictation!

 

[Indiannn]

Pakistan should not comment on it.

Smalllllllllll economy,military and they are so small in every field in front of India.
they should look at their size and then comment.
or else their condition will just be like it has been in the past 4 wars.