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If the girl is satisfied and have no objection than it is normal. why you claim that she was force to getting married is she accept this???. If no than why this issue was again and again put in consideration..:coffee:
 
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Disgusting persons taking advantage of those weak i hope they burn in hell.

Mate I agree with you. I hope that these matters are fully investigated and if what the parents say is correct then the perpetrators are made an example of.

If it is the couples wish then they too should be afforded protection.

The state should afford protection to all immaterial of what religion and or caste they belong to.

may be this is how the Hindu population has decreased in pakistan. Jinnah's dream broke again in the land of "pure".

If this has occurred mate it is not the state but some criminal individuals who should be punished. we all have good and bad
 
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If this has occurred mate it is not the state but some criminal individuals who should be punished. we all have good and bad

i know
but despite having some "bad" in India- our Muslim population has increased

you on the other hand- despite having some "good" and "pure" people- Hindu population decreased.
what does it tell ya?
 
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They should come out of their invader mentality and stop treating Hindu women as trophies. Forceful conversion of women shows neither your religion nor your manliness in good light.
 
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i know
but despite having some "bad" in India- our Muslim population has increased

you on the other hand- despite having some "good" and "pure" people- Hindu population decreased.
what does it tell ya?

Really??????

Glad to see how Indians dont call this thread a troll fest but if someone post something about India first reply would be "Its a troll thread from a troll member"..... Keep up your hypocracy i mean democracy :thumbsup:
 
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I love the way that Indians are jumping up and down at the actions of a few criminals to bash Pakistan. What is it with you guys. The state does not approve of this so why do you blame Pakistan other than cos you hate us??
 
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I love the way that Indians are jumping up and down at the actions of a few criminals to bash Pakistan. What is it with you guys. The state does not approve of this so why do you blame Pakistan other than cos you hate us??

so how does it feel looking at a mirror??

(comment directed at the quoted member specifically, not other PK members)

(I love the way that Aryan_B jumps up and down at the actions of a few criminals to bash India. What is it with you. The state does not approve of this so why do you blame India other than cos you hate us??)
 
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Really??????

Glad to see how Indians dont call this thread a troll fest but if someone post something about India first reply would be "Its a troll thread from a troll member"..... Keep up your hypocracy i mean democracy :thumbsup:
isn't what i said is true?
isn't the Hindu population decreased?

i am just sayin that the "subject" of this thread (forced conversion to Islam) could be one of the reasons of decreasing Hindu population.
the land of pure failed to protect the minority.
 
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Matters are decided in courts and courts value witness testimonies.

Pakistani government followed procedure on this case. Most likelihood things are what they appear to be - the family made a national issue over their daughter eloping in love.

There is no such thing as forcefully converted, you are not branded on your behind that there is anything physical that needs to be done. You believe you're a Muslims - and you are. If anyone was forced, they were forced to pretend to be Muslims - no one can make you believe that you're Muslim if you don't want to.

This one is ON YOUR FACE

March 26, 2012: Rinkal Kumari said in court:.." Pakistan mein sab log ek doosre ke saath mile huwe hain, yahan insaaaf sirf muslaman ke lye hai, Hindu ke lye koi insaaf nahee hai, mujhe yaheen court room mein maar daalo, lekin Dar-ul-aman nahee bhejo, yeh sab log mile huwe hain yeh humein maar daalen ge". (Everyone in Pakistan is hand in glove, there is justice only for Muslims, there is no justice for Hindus. Kill me here in court, but don't send me to Darul-Aman, all these people are hand in glove, they will kill us) - KTN news channel live reporting captured on a personal camera - the reporter repeats Rinkals words quote-un-quote.

 
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March 26, 2012: Rinkal Kumari said in court:.." Pakistan mein sab log ek doosre ke saath mile huwe hain, yahan insaaaf sirf muslaman ke lye hai, Hindu ke lye koi insaaf nahee hai, mujhe yaheen court room mein maar daalo, lekin Dar-ul-aman nahee bhejo, yeh sab log mile huwe hain yeh humein maar daalen ge". (Everyone in Pakistan is hand in glove, there is justice only for Muslims, there is no justice for Hindus. Kill me here in court, but don't send me to Darul-Aman, all these people are hand in glove, they will kill us) - KTN news channel live reporting captured on a personal camera - the reporter repeats Rinkals words quote-un-quote.

 
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Rinkle Kumari and her precedents

By Hasan Mujtaba

( I wrote this story about forced conversion of Hindu women in Pakistan of 1994. So far forced conversion of Hindu women nothing has been changed. Even the modus operandi of forced conversions and its operaters remain as the same)

On January 19, a Hindu girl named Daya Bai disappeared from her house in Daharki, district Ghotki (Sindh, Pakistan). She surfaced ten days later outside the deputy commissioner’s office, wearing bridal clothes,and accompanied by several hundred strong gathering (MANY OF WHOM WERE ARMED WITH AUTOMATIC WEAPONS) led by pirs of Bharchundi chanting Allaho – Akbar. During the nikah (wedding) that followed, Daya Bai’s mother wept inconsolably, repeatedly striking her head on the floor in anguish,”let me meet my daughter even if she is getting married’ she implored but her pleas fell on deaf ears.

For the Hindu community in Sukkur and Larkano, Daya Bai’s disappearance, conversion to Islam and subsequent marriage with a Muslim in suspicious circumstances is not unpresedented occurance. Between January and February at least 3 Hindu girls, Daya Bai from Daharki, Shakuntala from Pano Aquil, and Bhagawanti, the daughter of a Larkano professor were allegedly kidnapped from from their homes at the gunpoint. Of the three, Daya Bai and Bahgawanti converted to Islam and married muslim men whereas Shakunatala’s whereabouts are not known. Shakuntala, allegedly kidnapped from her home by a man named Kalhoro, she embraced Islam and married to someone other than her abductor. Speculation abounds that she may have been sold. The story of the daughter of Koro Mal, Hindu trader from Larkana, is similar. THERE ARE SEVERAL SUCH INSTANCES IN WHICH GIRLS BELIEVED TO HAVE ELOPED WITH THEIR MUSLIM LOVERS ARE NOT MARRIED TO THEM BUT WERE EITHER MARRIED OFF TO SOMEONE ELSE OR KILLED.

The increasing incidents of forcible conversions and marriages of Hindu girls have compelled some Hindus to migrate to India to protect their daughters and family honor. ‘The parents of girls who have met this fate are like the living dead’ says Ghanshyam Das a social worker in Kashmore.

Similarly, as Mukhi Nihalchand, a Hindu community leader in Rohri points out forcible conversion of Hindu men continues unreported and unabated. The conversion at Bharchundi of a Hindu boy from a wealthy Umerkot family sometime back is a case in point. After a while, the boy reconverted to Hinduism and migrated to India with his family.


The history of forcible conversion of Hindus dates back to PRE-TALPUR PERIOD WHEN A HINDU WAS CONSIDERED CONVERTED TO ISLAM ON THE FLIMSIEST OF PRETEXTS: for instance if he pronounced the word ‘raso’(string), bystanders would swear that he had said Rasool (prophet) and had become a Muslim. Excesses against Hindus increased during Talpur era. Any Hindus seen riding a horse would be immediately converted by force because it was believed that the horse was an Islamic means of transportation. Naunmal, one time loyalist of the Talpurs and a traitor in the eyes of the Sindhis, encouraged British to attack Sindh because some of his relatives had been forcibly circumcised by the Muslims. The first British spy, James Burnes in fact wrote in ‘The Court of Mirs’ an account of his travels in Sindh: ” I fail to understand how Hindus still prefer living in Sindh despite all kinds of atrocities perpetrated against them”

Some shrines in Sindh such as those of Makhdoom Muhammed Hashim and Hafiz Mohammed Siddiqui in Bharchindi, Mosques in Thanvi and Madrassas in Matiari and Amrot have acquired reputation as centers for forcible conversion.The pirs of Bharchundi have continued to patronise excesses committed against Hindus by the majority Muslim populace. In the early ’70s A MAN WHO MURDERED 7 HINDUS IN A TEMPLE IN SUKKUR WAS ACCLAIMED AS A HERO BY THE RELIGIO-POLITICAL PARTIES IN THE AREA.

Communist activist Sobho Gyanchandani recalls an incident during the early ’50s when he was summoned by an intellegence officer for his political views. “The officer told me: YOU HAVE COMMITTED 3 CRIMES. YOU ARE a Sindhi, a communist and ABOVE ALL, A HINDU. AND THERE IS NO PLACE FOR HINDUS HERE”. Sobho was jailed along with faiz Ahmed Faiz and others in the famous Rawalpindi conspiracy case.

During the ’65 and ’71 wars, Hindu governement servants living orposted along the Pak-Indian border in Sindh were transferred to farflung areas.

The darkest period for Sindhi Hindus in recent history, however was when dacoits held the province to ransom and forces of religious ethnicity and religious fanticism predominated. Vitriolic tirades against Hindus such as those by Dr. Israr Ahmed published in leading daily ‘Jang’ , helped to spread message of hate. General Zia’s patronage of mullahs encouraged Jamaat-i-Islami to launch organised campaign against Hindus in Sindh. AS A RESULT RECENT YEARS SAW THE LARGEST MIGRATION OF HINDUS TO INDIA SINCE THE EXODUS AT PARTITION.

Hindus were also primarily on the receiving end from dacoit gangs infesting Sindh at this time. The first victim of kidnapping was a Hindu trader from Daharki. Hindus were easy prey because they had no access to state machinary’ Says a Sindhi feudal who is suspected patharidar.Wealthy Hindus had to pay protection money to the dacoit gangs and their patrons to avoid being kidnapped.”Some Sindhi nationalist organizations were also hand in glove in kidnapping them or receiving protection money” says a bitter young Hindu whose father was kidnapped.

Recently, in the backlash to the Babri incident, MQM processionists led by Shabbir Hashmi attacked a temple at Pucca Qila and looted a considerable quantity of gold from there. “There is irrefutable evidence of abetment by religious and ethnic organizations, intellegence agencies, and local influentials of those who attacked the lives, properties and temples of Hindus” states Sobho Gyanchandani.

Unlike other parts of Sindh, Hindus living in Sukkur and Larkana dominate grain and agriculture market. Until partition many of the Hindus lived in surrounding rural areas. Those who did not migrate to India relocated to the urban centers. Their uneasy relationship with Muslim neighbors is manifested by the fact that instead of residing inindividual residences scattered over a large area, they usually live in sprawling havelis comprising of a hundred or more dwellings. “We feel isolated and insecure” says Darshan Lal, a young businessman in Ghotki.Even young Boys are rarely seen walking alone.

IN FRIDAY SERMONS IN MANY TOWNS ACROSS SINDH JEHAD IS OFTEN DECLARED AGAINST HINDUS, AND MUSLIMS ARE EXHORTED TO CONVERT HINDU WOMEN TO ISLAM BY MARRYING THEM. ” Such words influence the thinking of even simple Sindhi Muslims” says Rochiram, a senior lawyer and human rights activist in Mirpukhas.


(Reproduced with courtesy ‘Newsline’, Karachi, March 1994)


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March 26, 2012: Rinkal Kumari said in court:.." Pakistan mein sab log ek doosre ke saath mile huwe hain, yahan insaaaf sirf muslaman ke lye hai, Hindu ke lye koi insaaf nahee hai, mujhe yaheen court room mein maar daalo, lekin Dar-ul-aman nahee bhejo, yeh sab log mile huwe hain yeh humein maar daalen ge". (Everyone in Pakistan is hand in glove, there is justice only for Muslims, there is no justice for Hindus. Kill me here in court, but don't send me to Darul-Aman, all these people are hand in glove, they will kill us) - KTN news channel live reporting captured on a personal camera - the reporter repeats Rinkals words quote-un-quote.


makes sense why the Hindu population is decreased in pure land.
sometimes i think all the Hindus in pakistan should be called back and be given Indian nationality since Hinduism are not provided with any security there. but then its just my personal thinking. hope pakistan becomes serious about the minority rights and their security.
 
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