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mr i was born and was barelvi for many years but I do research and most things said and preached by so called wahabis are found in Quran and Sunnah
O mr bring proof from Quran and Sunnah I am allergic to your personal bullshi*LOL Also known as brainwashed.
First Deoband Madrassa was established in 1866 in India. If we look at the history, Deoband is fairly new sect of Islam. Deoband sect slowly worked to make it stronger and they were very active during Pakistan movement. Jamat e Islami (India) had more of a Deoband influence rather than Barelvi. (That is why they openly opposed Mohammad Ali Jinnah due to his Shia credentials.) But both coexisted due to some similarities amongst them especially they both followed Imam Abu Hanifa in Fiqh.
Darul Uloom Deoband that is followed by Sipah Sahaba, Taliban, Ahl-e-Hadees and other ****** groups. Deoband came to lime light and also became a force to be reckon with in Pakistan with the advent of greatest evil this country had seen, General Mohammad Zia Ul Haq, who was also known in army circles as Butcher of Jordan.
General Zia in order to strengthen his grip on power used the Deoband mullahs. Whole Pakistan government was made to appear as one big Deoband institution. Due to Zia this deoband thought crept in army, one example is before Zias advent the Pakistan Army commandos used Nara e Haidry Ya Ali as their morale booster but it was changed to Allah Hoo Allah Hoo.
During this time period of Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, US also saw the opportunity and gave its backing to this rag tag sect looking for money to establish themselves in Pakistani dominantly Barelvi society. US and Saudi petro dollars started flow freely in Pakistan. We saw madrassas appearing in every nook and corner of the street and mohallah. No one said any word against it. Our own Ahle Sunnat (Barelvi) kept quiet during this influx of the Deoband madrassas.
General Zia with his own wisdom formed armed wing of the Deoband sect by the name of Sipah-e-Sahibah. This armed wing purely directed its vengeance at Shia sect. During this time Shia-Sunni tensions grew to its dangerous heights. In reality this never was Shia-Sunni tension; it was always Deoband-Shia tensions.
Shia and Sunni have lived together for centuries without any major tensions. During all this time Sunni (Barelvi) ulema kept quiet to the persecution of Shias. Deobandi and Barelvi became so much intermingled that it was very hard to recognize who is who. I even cannot believe many educated people of good families when asked which sect do you belong to they would say Ahle sunnat (Hanfi) but when you go into details of their beliefs, they are purely Deoband beliefs.
While Madrassas of Barelvi and Shia were started in many cities too, but they were very few in number. Deobandi madrassas grew phenomenally with petro dollars of Saudi Arabia and our expats living in other countries.
General Zias advent and Soviet invasion of Afghanistan along with Irans revolution created a stir in the Middle East and Pakistan. The fear of Iranian revolution aka Shia revolution (1979) to creep into its bordering countries grew. Rulers in the Middle East and Pakistan used the Deoband strategy to ward off Shia influence from Iran. Barelvi did go along with the plan. Barelvi never questioned Zia for what he was doing to the basic fabric of the society.
Rest was taken care of by the huge madrassas in remote areas who along with short cut religious education concentrated on drawing a divide with rest of the sects and military ****** training. Simple people of villages got sucked into an extremist Deoband thought. This didnt cause panic amongst Barelvi sect until very recently.
Barelvi always looked kindly to Deoband as their foot soldiers to tackle (the imaginary) Shia influence but in the end Deobandis turned against their own keepers.
With so many Deoband Madrassa educated moulvis working in and taking charge of Barelvi mosques in disguise created panic amongst Barelvis that their mosques are being hijacked. I know many cases in which there are disputes in courts amongst Barelvi and deoband people for control of mosques.
Deoband and Barelvi beliefs have mingled so much that it is tough for common people to differentiate and it is also difficult for ulema to take a clear stand of their beliefs.
Last night I was watching 50 Minutes on Geo TV which was set up at Lahores Data Darbar. Amongst other guests there was a khateeb of Data Sahib Masjid; I assumed that he is Barelvi. He was describing something and he said Hazrat Ali (r.a.) and Hazrat Ameer Muawiya (r.a). While growing up in a small town, our Ahle sunnat Ulema never referred to Ameer Muaiwya as Hazrat and (r.a.) due to his disputes with and mutiny against Hazrat Ali (r.a), who is treated as a legitimate Guided Caliph by Ahl-e-Sunnat. It is purely a Deoband philosophy to call Muawiya and Yazeed as Hazrat and (r.a.).
At the moment, we are seeing the revival of Ahle Sunnat i.e Barelvi school of thought, and rightly so. But it has left many common people confused which way to go.
Barelvi sect will have a very tough time to ward off the Deoband extremist beliefs and have to further educate common people of the ideological and practical differences.
The constructions of madrassas and mosques should be put under some kind government control (possibly run by ulema of all sects). Now prominent intellectuals of Barelvi sect have started calling Maulana Shibli Nomani, Mauan Maudoodi, Dr Israr Ahmed and Dr Zakir Naik as scholars of Deoband sect who have infiltrated into mainstream Ahle Sunnat (Barelvi) population. Barelvis are now trying to distance themselves from the Deoband.
Barelvi ulemas have to realize that Deoband is much mor dangerous to their basic beliefs than their fear of Shia. Holy places like Ali Hajveri Data Sahib, Shah Shams Tabrez, Baba Fareed Gunj Bakhsh, Baba Buleh Shah, Shahbaz Qalandar, Bari Imam, and Bahauddin Zikria, Haq Bahu and many others are important and holy to both Shia and Sunni followers. It is Deoband who are against visiting the shrines of Allahs holy people and consider it Shirk.
Deoband, Wahabi and Ahle Hadees follow similar thoughts they are born of Saudi patronage. King Saud demolished the holy shrines of Hazrat Fatima, Prophets wives Umhat-ul-Momineen and Prophets relatives in Jannat-ul-Baqee, and they are continuously destroying any place that has significance to Islams holy personalities.
The only reason Kaba and Masjid e Nabvi is still standing there is because it is a source of earning for Saud; otherwise according to their beliefs it is also shirk. If visiting a shrine is shirk (polytheism), then how come shrine of our beloved Prophet (pbuh) is still there among those people.
Hijacking a faith: How an extremist Deobandi ideology rules the Barelvi majority? – by Fawad Manzoor
First Deoband Madrassa was established in 1866 in India. If we look at the history, Deoband is fairly new sect of Islam. Deoband sect slowly worked to make it stronger and they were very active during Pakistan movement. Jamat e Islami (India) had more of a Deoband influence rather than Barelvi. (That is why they openly opposed Mohammad Ali Jinnah due to his Shia credentials.) But both coexisted due to some similarities amongst them especially they both followed Imam Abu Hanifa in Fiqh.
Darul Uloom Deoband that is followed by Sipah Sahaba, Taliban, Ahl-e-Hadees and other ****** groups. Deoband came to lime light and also became a force to be reckon with in Pakistan with the advent of greatest evil this country had seen, General Mohammad Zia Ul Haq, who was also known in army circles as Butcher of Jordan.
General Zia in order to strengthen his grip on power used the Deoband mullahs. Whole Pakistan government was made to appear as one big Deoband institution. Due to Zia this deoband thought crept in army, one example is before Zias advent the Pakistan Army commandos used Nara e Haidry Ya Ali as their morale booster but it was changed to Allah Hoo Allah Hoo.
During this time period of Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, US also saw the opportunity and gave its backing to this rag tag sect looking for money to establish themselves in Pakistani dominantly Barelvi society. US and Saudi petro dollars started flow freely in Pakistan. We saw madrassas appearing in every nook and corner of the street and mohallah. No one said any word against it. Our own Ahle Sunnat (Barelvi) kept quiet during this influx of the Deoband madrassas.
General Zia with his own wisdom formed armed wing of the Deoband sect by the name of Sipah-e-Sahibah. This armed wing purely directed its vengeance at Shia sect. During this time Shia-Sunni tensions grew to its dangerous heights. In reality this never was Shia-Sunni tension; it was always Deoband-Shia tensions.
Shia and Sunni have lived together for centuries without any major tensions. During all this time Sunni (Barelvi) ulema kept quiet to the persecution of Shias. Deobandi and Barelvi became so much intermingled that it was very hard to recognize who is who. I even cannot believe many educated people of good families when asked which sect do you belong to they would say Ahle sunnat (Hanfi) but when you go into details of their beliefs, they are purely Deoband beliefs.
While Madrassas of Barelvi and Shia were started in many cities too, but they were very few in number. Deobandi madrassas grew phenomenally with petro dollars of Saudi Arabia and our expats living in other countries.
General Zias advent and Soviet invasion of Afghanistan along with Irans revolution created a stir in the Middle East and Pakistan. The fear of Iranian revolution aka Shia revolution (1979) to creep into its bordering countries grew. Rulers in the Middle East and Pakistan used the Deoband strategy to ward off Shia influence from Iran. Barelvi did go along with the plan. Barelvi never questioned Zia for what he was doing to the basic fabric of the society.
Rest was taken care of by the huge madrassas in remote areas who along with short cut religious education concentrated on drawing a divide with rest of the sects and military ****** training. Simple people of villages got sucked into an extremist Deoband thought. This didnt cause panic amongst Barelvi sect until very recently.
Barelvi always looked kindly to Deoband as their foot soldiers to tackle (the imaginary) Shia influence but in the end Deobandis turned against their own keepers.
With so many Deoband Madrassa educated moulvis working in and taking charge of Barelvi mosques in disguise created panic amongst Barelvis that their mosques are being hijacked. I know many cases in which there are disputes in courts amongst Barelvi and deoband people for control of mosques.
Deoband and Barelvi beliefs have mingled so much that it is tough for common people to differentiate and it is also difficult for ulema to take a clear stand of their beliefs.
Last night I was watching 50 Minutes on Geo TV which was set up at Lahores Data Darbar. Amongst other guests there was a khateeb of Data Sahib Masjid; I assumed that he is Barelvi. He was describing something and he said Hazrat Ali (r.a.) and Hazrat Ameer Muawiya (r.a). While growing up in a small town, our Ahle sunnat Ulema never referred to Ameer Muaiwya as Hazrat and (r.a.) due to his disputes with and mutiny against Hazrat Ali (r.a), who is treated as a legitimate Guided Caliph by Ahl-e-Sunnat. It is purely a Deoband philosophy to call Muawiya and Yazeed as Hazrat and (r.a.).
At the moment, we are seeing the revival of Ahle Sunnat i.e Barelvi school of thought, and rightly so. But it has left many common people confused which way to go.
Barelvi sect will have a very tough time to ward off the Deoband extremist beliefs and have to further educate common people of the ideological and practical differences.
The constructions of madrassas and mosques should be put under some kind government control (possibly run by ulema of all sects). Now prominent intellectuals of Barelvi sect have started calling Maulana Shibli Nomani, Mauan Maudoodi, Dr Israr Ahmed and Dr Zakir Naik as scholars of Deoband sect who have infiltrated into mainstream Ahle Sunnat (Barelvi) population. Barelvis are now trying to distance themselves from the Deoband.
Barelvi ulemas have to realize that Deoband is much mor dangerous to their basic beliefs than their fear of Shia. Holy places like Ali Hajveri Data Sahib, Shah Shams Tabrez, Baba Fareed Gunj Bakhsh, Baba Buleh Shah, Shahbaz Qalandar, Bari Imam, and Bahauddin Zikria, Haq Bahu and many others are important and holy to both Shia and Sunni followers. It is Deoband who are against visiting the shrines of Allahs holy people and consider it Shirk.
Deoband, Wahabi and Ahle Hadees follow similar thoughts they are born of Saudi patronage. King Saud demolished the holy shrines of Hazrat Fatima, Prophets wives Umhat-ul-Momineen and Prophets relatives in Jannat-ul-Baqee, and they are continuously destroying any place that has significance to Islams holy personalities.
The only reason Kaba and Masjid e Nabvi is still standing there is because it is a source of earning for Saud; otherwise according to their beliefs it is also shirk. If visiting a shrine is shirk (polytheism), then how come shrine of our beloved Prophet (pbuh) is still there among those people.
Hijacking a faith: How an extremist Deobandi ideology rules the Barelvi majority? – by Fawad Manzoor
Agreed that generally Bralvis also use (RA) with Hazrat Ameer Muavia. But the point is that of Yazeed. Traditional Sunnis (Brelvis) don't use RA with Yazeed or neither call him Hazrat Yazeed. I don't know about the reflections of deubandis on this but Ahle-Hadith use RA with Yazeed.
Brelvi-Ahl-e-Hadith ,Brelvi-Deubandi and Brelvi-Shia ideological conflicts have always been existing but even to date hardly any killings (except a few which too on individual levels) have taken place between the brelvis and other sects. In fact brlvis also took the wrath as the Melad procession in Nishtar park claimed 57 lives.
Deobandi is basically the subcontinent name of wahabbi.
One just has to go to youtube and see various takfiri fatwas from deobandi mullahs to realize there isn't much difference. You can probably credit zia for this though but historically deobandis are more hardline.
Not same thing there are many differences between both of them ... Deobandis are blind followers of Imam Abu Hanifa ... If Barelvis give up grave worships then you cannot see any difference between them ... Whereas Ahle Hadith emphasize on such Islam which has been revealed on Rasoolullah (Sallalah O Alaihe Wa Alaihi Wa Sallam) and quote each n everything from Quran & Sunnah ... You can say that Hanbali are more close with Ahle Hadith in faith than other sects ... And Wahabi sect is not on the earth ... This name has been given by rivals especially Shias & Barelvis ...............
These are some random photos I found mostly from1952 loksabha elections in India.
This burqha looks familiar? this is the same used in Afghanistan?(Shuttlecock burqha). Deobandis:
First Lok Sabha General Election Scenes - Delhi, January 1952 - Part 1 - Old Indian Photos
scene from first loksabha election:
Muslim Pardahnishin women voters wait in a queue for their turn to cast their votes at a polling booth near Jama Masjid.
First Lok Sabha General Election Scenes - Delhi, January 1952 - Part 1 - Old Indian Photos
O mr bring proof from Qur'an and Sunnah. I am allergic to your personal bullshi*
but I do research and most things said and preached by so called Wahhabi are found in Qur'an and Sunnah
Deobandis are not a sect. This report is mischievous. Deoband has served marvelously to keep the Muslims alert and educated during the reign of Christian British and now under the Hindu Indians. Located in a Dar ul Harb, the service they have been rendering is commendable.
Some knowledge for you patriot bhai.
It is Sahih Hadith of the Prophet salamullah elayh that no one in his ummah will do idol worship [ shirk e Akbar ]
when you accuse barelvis of grave worship, you are accusing the vast majority of Pakistanis of doing Shirk e Akbar. Do you know by accusing Muslims of Shirk e Akbar you are calling them non-Muslim. It is an accusation of Kufr.
That is why maududi saab is known as wahabi. He accused Muslims of grave worship. How can a Muslim worship anyone else other than Allah? After all Maududi Saab he is well respected by TTP.
Suf Muhammad Sawati of Swat TTP respects and loves Maududi Saab.
Talking about Zarvans personal bullshit.
Mr bring proof from Quran and Sunnah which you can't so keep on talking crapTalking about Zarvans personal bullshit.
yes you find many invaders adorable too when they said the would attack you and soon they were playing with your headsLet him go Mr.Cheetah sir
he sounds so adorable when talk about cutting heads off Hindus
Such discussions should be banned on pdf.
Ahle-e-Hadith (Salafis in orignal) are the followers of Abdul Wahab Najadi. Whats more interesting is that the father and brother of Abdul Wahab Najadi (Shaikh Suleman and I forgot the other name) were traditional sunnis and remained so til their last. Moreover, most of us wouldn't know that Abdul Wahab Najadi was not a direct decedent from his spiritual leader Ibn-e-Taimia.
It was a subcontinental personality by the name of Muhammad Hayat Sindhi who met him in Madina and subsequently introduced him to the teachings of Ibn-e-Taimia.