High level TTP terrorist boinked in Afghanistan.

[Sifar zero]

Same thing.

Taliban and the Mujahideen were not same things.
The Mujahideen was a name given to different groups that had different ideologies and backgrounds but were united in there fight against the Soviet Union.
But the the Taliban have the same ideology and are united under a central leadership.

 

[SecularNationalist]

He looks handsome now why BLA isn't targeted with same intensity ?

And look at the smile on his face , he must have seen 72 virgins

 

[Sayfullah]

You don't speak Urdu???

I do but I was born and raised in Canada so I have trouble trying to read Urdu while I understand and speak it completely. I even speak and understand Punjabi completely but can’t write or read it. I’m tryna learn though.

 

[Sayfullah]

GHQ grabbing Saudi funneled CIA money to create the Talibs

Not true

Kabul celebrating the American withdrawal

They had every right to celebrate

"Pakistan ne American ki madad se America ko Afghanistan se bhagaya"

That’s true

Taliban and the Mujahideen were not same things.
The Mujahideen was a name given to different groups that had different ideologies and backgrounds but were united in there fight against the Soviet Union.
But the the Taliban have the same ideology and are united under a central leadership.

And Taliban came into existence after the soviet afghan war and when mujahideen factions were fighting and destroying Afghanistan for power

 

[Maea]

No one knows anything even this Lt General Tariq Khan is no better than PDM, running a 5th gen war for India. Right? Anyone who questions the blunders of the State, PA, and Agencies are just a spammer, isn't it?

Again you r playing the victim here. I respect others opinion, i may not agree, but you are free to think and say what u want.
You can criticise Armed Forces as much as want, heck 95% of PDF does it in some capacity. But there is a place and time for everything. Some one on asia cup thread said kick fakhar out, the reply was fakhar is bajwas man so he is untouchable, i mean cmon. Every thread is filled with trash and ranting, before you, PMLN used to do such things and before them there were ttp sympathizers and so on.
Keep the discussion civilized and respectful, in the end its just politics no matter how PTI PDM try to spin it.

 

[Black.Mamba]

Again you r playing the victim here. I respect others opinion, i may not agree, but you are free to think and say what u want.
You can criticise Armed Forces as much as want, heck 95% of PDF does it in some capacity. But there is a place and time for everything. Some one on asia cup thread said kick fakhar out, the reply was fakhar is bajwas man so he is untouchable, i mean cmon. Every thread is filled with trash and ranting, before you, PMLN used to do such things and before them there were ttp sympathizers and so on.
Keep the discussion civilized and respectful, in the end its just politics no matter how PTI PDM try to spin it.

Thankfully for admitting, yes, we are the victims; we the common people are not elite, and our children do not own mansions in London nor ranches in Texas. It is primarily us who faced the music of wrong decisions taken by others, either we lost our brothers and sisters in wars we did not start or our livelihoods were destroyed. Despite being leading and progressing rapidly in the 60s we are now on the verge of bankruptcy, our passport, our currency being one of the strongest ended up being the weakest.

So who exactly is the victim here? Who's fault is it? Who we the common people should question? who has been running the show? We the common people are definitely at loss but are the ruling families like sharif and Zardari's at loss as well, are the corrupt politically motivated generals at loss, or are the judges and bureaucrats at loss?

And before you and some others try to give it a spin; that it is all our collective fault, we'll it isn't. We were not the ones who favored Bhutto, we were not the ones who brought Nawaz Sharif to counter PPP nor we created MQM neither we created TLP nor TTP, we did not provide any of them with black vigos, weapons, money nor the unchecked authority.

The ones who created them for whatever "good" they thought for the state of Pakistan, ended up creating a mess and we the common people are not responsible for it, the ones who are is about time should be brought under the ambit of a system where wrong decisions are held accountable and right decisions are praised, and things should not be decided behind closed doors rather out in the open.

 

[Maea]

Thankfully for admitting, yes, we are the victims; we the common people are not elite, and our children do not own mansions in London nor ranches in Texas. It is primarily us who faced the music of wrong decisions taken by others, either we lost our brothers and sisters in wars we did not start or our livelihoods were destroyed. Despite being leading and progressing rapidly in the 60s we are now on the verge of bankruptcy, our passport, our currency being one of the strongest ended up being the weakest.

So who exactly is the victim here? Who's fault is it? Who we the common people should question? who has been running the show? We the common people are definitely at loss but are the ruling families like sharif and Zardari's at loss as well, are the corrupt politically motivated generals at loss, or are the judges and bureaucrats at loss?

And before you and some others try to give it a spin; that it is all our collective fault, we'll it isn't. We were not the ones who favored Bhutto, we were not the ones who brought Nawaz Sharif to counter PPP nor we created MQM neither we created TLP nor TTP, we did not provide any of them with black vigos, weapons, money nor the unchecked authority.

The ones who created them for whatever "good" they thought for the state of Pakistan, ended up creating a mess and we the common people are not responsible for it, the ones who are is about time should be brought under the ambit of a system where wrong decisions are held accountable and right decisions are praised, and things should not be decided behind closed doors rather out in the open.

Nice try.
If you countinue with this habit of ranting without taking any MEANINGFUL action, you wont get too far.
You know why we were a decent nation up untill the 60s?
The leadership had a vision about the country, good or bad, its upto you.
When your Bhutto papa came he destroyed the economy by nationalizing every major industry. Bhutto got hanged and BB(zardari included) succeded him. Im not gonna say anything bad about a dead person, but consider that im not a die hard fan of hers and her actions. Our brainless establishment at that time tought about countering her with their own puppy NS( who was being groomed under Zia). They only forgot about a minor detail, their ""tattu" had other ambitions and projects in mind. Meanwhile our asses where being banged either by PPP or PMLN in the 90s. while scumbags like rana sanaullah kept propagating firqawaryat in punjab and PPP was busy killing businessmen in Karachi. Again the establishment had a brainfart nowdays called MQM. This time the shitshow was so spectacular that even the indians joined hands in our butchering. NS having those ambitions i mentioned above tried to mess with Musharraf and in the process got fucked, here our hero NS changes sides to the indians. Come 00s the whole political setup is so full of shit that you can smell it from the moon. Papa amreeka being without any major war for almost a decade decides they want to kick some *** and choose afg. Our commando joins them as well.
Bear in mind that at this point we have as our adversaries: India( NS MQM), PPP, USA (a decade of lobbying from indians in 90s) and thanks to our commando TTP ( and countless other trst).

This circus continues untill 2015 when the all knowing establishment realizes that their puppy NS is actually an indian agent, they need to act fast, another brainfart from GHQ and comes IK. All goes well untill IK starts to mess with his papa aka establishment. So here we are chanting "haqeeqi azad"(lul), and in process insulting thousands of people who died for this country( my family members included).

All what i said above is called a rant.

Now apart from rallying behind fake messiah and incompetent leader in the shape of IK, do you have any real solution, or just another rant?

 

[Black.Mamba]

Nice try.
If you countinue with this habit of ranting without taking any MEANINGFUL action, you wont get too far.
You know why we were a decent nation up untill the 60s?
The leadership had a vision about the country, good or bad, its upto you.
When your Bhutto papa came he destroyed the economy by nationalizing every major industry. Bhutto got hanged and BB(zardari included) succeded him. Im not gonna say anything bad about a dead person, but consider that im not a die hard fan of hers and her actions. Our brainless establishment at that time tought about countering her with their own puppy NS( who was being groomed under Zia). They only forgot about a minor detail, their ""tattu" had other ambitions and projects in mind. Meanwhile our asses where being banged either by PPP or PMLN in the 90s. while scumbags like rana sanaullah kept propagating firqawaryat in punjab and PPP was busy killing businessmen in Karachi. Again the establishment had a brainfart nowdays called MQM. This time the shitshow was so spectacular that even the indians joined hands in our butchering. NS having those ambitions i mentioned above tried to mess with Musharraf and in the process got fucked, here our hero NS changes sides to the indians. Come 00s the whole political setup is so full of shit that you can smell it from the moon. Papa amreeka being without any major war for almost a decade decides they want to kick some *** and choose afg. Our commando joins them as well.
Bear in mind that at this point we have as our adversaries: India( NS MQM), PPP, USA (a decade of lobbying from indians in 90s) and thanks to our commando TTP ( and countless other trst).

This circus continues untill 2015 when the all knowing establishment realizes that their puppy NS is actually an indian agent, they need to act fast, another brainfart from GHQ and comes IK. All goes well untill IK starts to mess with his papa aka establishment. So here we are chanting "haqeeqi azad"(lul), and in process insulting thousands of people who died for this country( my family members included).

All what i said above is called a rant.

Now apart from rallying behind fake messiah and incompetent leader in the shape of IK, do you have any real solution, or just another rant?

Thank you for your circular argument and concluding "milestablishment" is the common factor for all the mess.

That is why it's about time to put them back where they are supposed to be; Borders only.

 

[Maea]

Thank you for your circular argument and concluding "milestablishment" is the common factor for all the mess.

That is why it's about time to put them back where they are supposed to be; Borders only.

Yaar do you even red my post? Borders only in Pakistan doesnt work, like it or not Pakistan is a security state, and that a fact. Is it really necessary? we can debate untill qayamat on this.

The establishment did what it is supposed to do in a country like Pakistan, without any alternatives. Your IK, which nowdays hates the same army who brought him to the power, is not the person who he claims to be. He constantly lied and sorrunded himself by looters and thiefs. We need the establishment. their job is to be the last barrier, in our case only. When all of our instituitions are basically defuct who is gonna take action when the gov. is engaged in theft, falsehood and what not? With time you will get what has been done to IK was necessary, othersiwe another bhutto was in making. PDM will die by their own death, no need to worry about them. Seriously, who is actually gonna vote pdm in the next GE?

 

[Black.Mamba]

Yaar do you even red my post? Borders only in Pakistan doesnt work, like it or not Pakistan is a security state, and that a fact. Is it really necessary? we can debate untill qayamat on this.

The establishment did what it is supposed to do in a country like Pakistan, without any alternatives. Your IK, which nowdays hates the same army who brought him to the power, is not the person who he claims to be. He constantly lied and sorrunded himself by looters and thiefs. We need the establishment. their job is to be the last barrier, in our case only. When all of our instituitions are basically defuct who is gonna take action when the gov. is engaged in theft, falsehood and what not? With time you will get what has been done to IK was necessary, othersiwe another bhutto was in making. PDM will die by their own death, no need to worry about them. Seriously, who is actually gonna vote pdm in the next GE?

I understand the realities of Pakistan, the security state, the Global playground, etc. I have nothing against the Army nor against the establishment except the fact that they hang in the middle instead of taking decisive steps so at least we reach somewhere either good or bad. Our political regime changes are half-hearted, and so is our anti-corruption drive, one day we make a peace agreement with TTP next day we launch an operation and then do a ceasefire again, the point is we as a state should go either all in or stop putting our nose into things where we have no end game in sight or do not have what it takes to achieve it.

First of all, you need to understand "it is not my IK", it is not even about IK, democratically speaking I do support IK, among all the thieves he is the least harmful in my opinion, tomorrow if some new leader appears better than him I will gladly be advocating for him. So any criticism or objective thinking does not automatically imply that it is in support of IK.

As far as the argument that IK is brought in by Army is a PDM-sponsored argument, they have repeated it so much that it has started to look correct however the reality is very much the opposite, it was the Army who actually stopped him from getting the majority, it is portrayed that election system went down to support IK while in reality, it went down to take away some seats of his and distributed to others so that IK remains on crutches hence being more controllable hence not becoming another Bhutto.

He constantly lied and sorrunded himself by looters and thiefs. We need the establishment. their job is to be the last barrier, in our case only. When all of our instituitions are basically defuct who is gonna take action when the gov. is engaged in theft, falsehood and what not? With time you will get what has been done to IK was necessary, othersiwe another bhutto was in making.

Even if all his companions are thieves and looters, you are saying the establishment acted as the last barrier and brought in Zardari & Sharif against the looting and robbery of IK?

Having a weak PM, party leader, and national leader could have been a fair objective for the establishment so that they always remain the big boss.