High costs stall Army's plans on China border

[conworldus]

LMAO India can't afford it. What a total embarrassment. In 1962 the Chinese Army and the Indian Army were at about the same level. Chinese equipment were worse but training was better. Today, Chinese Army is way ahead in both equipment and training. The only advantage India got is the number of troops on the border. Human wave attack plan I guess.

 

[AADHAAR]

High costs stall Army's plans on China border - The Times of India

There is a natural answer to this -> We need to have a low cost deterrence against China.

It's the same strategy that NATO had against Sovien Union in Europe. Soviet had conventional superiority in Europe. But any mischief meant a full blown nuclear war.

China is welcome to talk on the border issue but if it tries to interfere with it with force, things won't stop at the border.

Attack is the best defence, and hence, India should be prepared to the attack the heartland of China's economy.

We should make sure that China's feels more than sorry, if it dares to attack us again. Atleast by "dollar numbers" they have larger assets to defend than we have to.

I know India-China war only helps US the most, but that's what China should be more concerned about rather than us.
Because China is trying to become an equal to USA, India is not.



And while it doesn't, we should focus on our economy. It is doing fine, but we need to do more.
Defence expenditures would be kept at the current level. No point falling for China's farce.

Let them make "roads to nowhere" across Arunachal border. If they ever expect to recover investment on those roads, the only way is to trade with India. With all the snowfall, they are quite costly to maintain. It's all the better that those roads keep draining China's resources.

 

[misterme2]

What a bloody failure. India won;t let private players in the industry to reduce reliance on foreign tech and equipment due to some misconception of secrets being exposed. I think the main secret is how much the gov;t industries lag behind the private sectors. There are more holes than swiss cheese in the defence establishment. Time for change. If corruption didnt seep in, we would be in a better position.....Scumbags politicans....this is what happens when ppl forget to keep a check on gov;t and let corruption spin out of control. Learn from our mistakes... FAST

 

[LiberalAtheist]

LMAO India can't afford it. What a total embarrassment. In 1962 the Chinese Army and the Indian Army were at about the same level. Chinese equipment were worse but training was better. Today, Chinese Army is way ahead in both equipment and training. The only advantage India got is the number of troops on the border. Human wave attack plan I guess.

and have you been to the training courses of the two armies? how can you tell who is better trained? and what kind of propaganda have you been told? in 1962 we were still using .303 lee enfield rifles Chinese troops had Type-56 rifles and today i don't see any difference in equipment we are going forth with F-INSAS program and will induct new artillery soon

and the funny thing is you guys have more troops and in 1962 that was the Chinese plan of human wave attack go and see how the Kumaonis lasted until they ran out of ammo under Shaitan Singh same with the Sikhs under Joginder Singh, the Gukrhas Major Dhan Singh Thapa, and etc i could go on


this isn't 1962 any more we are actually prepared this time ;D

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

IAF has 16 operational air base under the eastern command.China has none in the tibetan autonomous region.All of the 7 so called military air bases are actually civilian air ports.

Don't forget we have underground airbase under the civilian airport that your satellite didn't detected its.

The railway lane that you guys are so proud of can be easily taken out by cruise missile strikes like Brahmos and Shaurya or air attacks.

Pray that you don't have any made in China chip inside your Brahmos and Shaurya missile...because China can set embargo
You have forgotten that we have over 10000 technicians and engineers ready anytime to repair the railway..unless you have bomber such B-1 or B-52 to perform can carpet bombing a large section of rail...we certainly welcome that you use all your Brahmos and shaurya missiles on low value target

Indian Army currently deployes 3 corps-III corps,IV corps and XXXIII corps comprising 11 mountain division with a total of 200-240 soldiers with extencive air mobility through Mi 17,8s,An32s and Il 76s.Two more mountain divisions with upto 50000 soldiers will be operational in 2014.

you talk like no PLA soldiers to perform the duties in India borders? If China invade India again...don't try to find another excuse such as you guys are not prepare.

IAF has ordered 28 israelly MPR AESA radars,a large chunk of whom will be deployed in NE states with 10 squadrons deadly Akash medium range SAMs and AADs.
So don't think you can repeat 62 again as easily as you think.Heck even got your hands burnt big time back in 1967 when we were no where near current level..

Good, we love Israelly technologies...war with India will have another objectif as technology collector and capture, you can even bring Europe and American technologies to fight us, we certainly welcome because we're really upset that Western set embargo on us, all these technologies will be free to COPY once fall into our's hands .

 

[peep]

LMAO India can't afford it. What a total embarrassment. In 1962 the Chinese Army and the Indian Army were at about the same level. Chinese equipment were worse but training was better. Today, Chinese Army is way ahead in both equipment and training. The only advantage India got is the number of troops on the border. Human wave attack plan I guess.

yeah.... keep repeating that bs !!

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

All I can see in your post is mere assumptions and no facts.Ok,let me tell you something.
1.Even if you have underground air bases,still due to the very thin air in tibet your fighters can carry only half of their payload.But IAF bases are situated in much lower altitudes,so there is advantage India.
2.India does not use chinese chips in weapons.Instead all the military chips are developed in house.
3.Why do we gonna need B2 to bomb that line when the upgraded Mirage 2000 5Mk2 with fighter cover from Su 30MKIscan do the job????PLAAF will have a very hard time to achieve air superiority due to long distances of the bases.
4.I never said that.I just gave an approximate no. of IA troop deployment in NE.Remember,you will be the attacker not us and fact is that attacker needs 3 times more men than the defender.So you make it out.And no,we don't need any excuses.In 1962 due to arrogance of the b@st**d named Nehru,we lost.How can any one expect 10000 soldiers with ww2 era weapons to stop 80000 battle hardened heavily armed soldiers??But after 62,you burnt your hands 2 times but I don't think you read that.No problem.
5.Both the Israelli and Indian MPRs are mobile,not static.Besides,to capture them first you have to cross the LAC which is not gonna happen..

Of course it's base on assumption, if I got the accurate about PLA military detail in Tibet...i wouldn't be here to discuss and Chat.
1-I don't know the effect of Air and altitude on airplane..I guess you're right...neverless PLAAF certain will not detered by the geographic weakness...It remains to be seen how and what they gonna operate to compensate the weakness.

2-Glad that you have Chip made in India for your Brahmos

3-Oh no... Mirages 2000 5mk2 and Su 30 MKI...why i haven't thought of tha...PLA wher is your SAM????

4-If China decide to invade India...I don't think PLA will be dummy enough to send few soldier to be outnumbered...and I dont want bring up 62 again...just discuss the "NOW" event

5-LOL sound like you guys are mobile...if China don't have 4 wheels to chase and catch the fleeding force...might as well stay home

 

[AADHAAR]

4-If China decide to invade India...

A friendly advice to you -> if China invades India, for your own personal safety, I'll advise you (and your family members) to move to Lhasa or Xinjiang. Those would be the safest places left for you to run to. If not, you would be at risk of finding a bright sunny day sky turning "purple", right above your head.

No offence intended, but I did say "If China invades India .....", quoting you.

Prior to that, "if" your govt decides to invade India, try to change your govt for the sake of your life and that of your family.

Agreed, it will be unfortunate for us, if China invades us. India propragates peace and mutual prosperity. We are discussing Aksai Chin for a peaceful settlement. But if you think you are going to change borders by force, then first move out all the concentrated high value assets in Shanghai otherwise they are also under risk.

While invading India, if you think it's just another Vietnam or Phillipines, please feel free (at your own peril). If you believe that it's going to be a border skirmish (like 1962), you are again mistaken. And then, you are further losing time in your "invasion" since nuclear subs for effective second strike ability are in the making. Take your risks and make your (mis)calculations if you insist on under-estimating India's nuclear deterrence. I can assure you, that you'll be more than sorry for those miscalcuations later.

Talking of 1962, if you think you can have a repeat then I must say the probability is same as Japan trying to repeat a "Pearl Harbor" or the possibility of Japan raping Nanking once again.

It's not 1962, and we're not talking about fighting on roads along the border (feel free to keep pouring money into them, no issues), but about counter-attacks against the heartland of China's economy. Be prepared to defend all that you value so much.

Let better sense prevail on your rulers in Beijing, otherwise I can tell you it's going to be bad for everybody.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

A friendly advice to you -> if China invades India, for your own personal safety, I'll advise you (and your family members) to move to Lhasa or Xinjiang. Those would be the safest places left for you to run to. If not, you would be at risk of finding a bright sunny day sky turning "purple", right above your head.

LOL, you Indians always complain that Pakistanis fall back on the "nuclear option" too quickly, yet you do it yourselves as well.

Anyway... The estimation of nuclear destructive power:

1. Russia ~ 1,273 megaton
2. USA ~ 570 megaton
3. China ~ 294 megaton
4. France ~ 55 megaton
5. UK ~ 16 megaton
6. Israel ~ 1.5 - 4 megaton
7. India ~ 0.8 - 1 megaton
8. Pakistan ~ 0.6 - 1 megaton
9. North Korea ~ Unknown

NTI: Nuclear Disarmament

One single Chinese 3-5 megaton thermonuclear bomb, carries more destructive power than India's entire nuclear arsenal. We've got a significant geographic advantage as well, in that India will need her longest-range missiles just to target our cities on the coast, while we only need short-range missiles based in Tibet.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

A Sino-Indian war won't happen again, unless the Indians repeat what they did to provoke it the first time:

1) Hosting our largest separatist group in 1959
2) Implementing the "Forward Policy" to take Chinese land in 1962

To India's credit, they have not tried to repeat either of these two things since then.

 

[AADHAAR]

Feel free to under-estimate India's nuclear deterrence.

Off course, your (mis)calculations will be bad for everybody.

We Indians have resign ourselves to madman with a gun, roaming around in our neighbourhood.

Till the sh*t hits the fan, we have keep focusing on our current way of life and continue to focus on the positive things in life.

LOL, you Indians always complain that Pakistanis fall back on the "nuclear option" too quickly, yet you do it yourselves as well.

Anyway... The estimation of nuclear destructive power:

1. Russia ~ 1,273 megaton
2. USA ~ 570 megaton
3. China ~ 294 megaton
4. France ~ 55 megaton
5. UK ~ 16 megaton
6. Israel ~ 1.5 - 4 megaton
7. India ~ 0.8 - 1 megaton
8. Pakistan ~ 0.6 - 1 megaton
9. North Korea ~ Unknown


One single Chinese 3-5 megaton thermonuclear bomb, carries more destructive power than India's entire nuclear arsenal. We've got a significant geographic advantage as well, in that India will need her longest-range missiles just to target our cities on the coast, while we only need short-range missiles based in Tibet.

 

[angeldemon_007]

Let them make "roads to nowhere" across Arunachal border. If they ever expect to recover investment on those roads, the only way is to trade with India. With all the snowfall, they are quite costly to maintain. It's all the better that those roads keep draining China's resources.

Well your analysis is good but for NE areas what IA has planned is best. Mountain division and strike force is a very good strategy and government should support it.
You are right that we should induct large number of medium and long range cruise and ballistic missiles, develop more and more nuclear warheads.
As far as infrastructure in the border areas is concerned. My friend right now states in the NE are calm. Just look at Arunachal, even after being neglected for so long they are actually the most patriotic state in India. If we won't develop infrastructure there, sooner or later people will realize its better to be part of China and there might be a separatist movement. Infrastructure development is necessary. They are also Indian citizen who pays taxes. Just look at the a**holes haven't been able to build more than 200 km of the whole JnK. Arunachal i don't think is even connected by railways.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

@CD there has not been a repeat of 1962 because we learned from Nehru and Menon's mistakes don't forget about Nathu La and Chola Incident you guys didn't get anything out of 1962 however it made us stronger

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

@CD there has not been a repeat of 1962 because we learned from Nehru and Menon's mistakes don't forget about Nathu La and Chola Incident you guys didn't get anything out of 1962 however it made us stronger

If you truly believe so, then try another Forward Policy.

Nothing to lose right?

As for who has come out stronger, in 1962 China and India's economies were about equal. Today, China's economy is FOUR times bigger, with commensurate military spending.

India can't match China's military force: Indian Navy Chief - IBNLive

 

[AADHAAR]

Well your analysis is good but for NE areas what IA has planned is best. Mountain division and strike force is a very good strategy and government should support it.
You are right that we should induct large number of medium and long range cruise and ballistic missiles, develop more and more nuclear warheads.
As far as infrastructure in the border areas is concerned. My friend right now states in the NE are calm. Just look at Arunachal, even after being neglected for so long they are actually the most patriotic state in India. If we won't develop infrastructure there, sooner or later people will realize its better to be part of China and there might be a separatist movement. Infrastructure development is necessary. They are also Indian citizen who pays taxes. Just look at the a**holes haven't been able to build more than 200 km of the whole JnK. Arunachal i don't think is even connected by railways.

Still, finance ministry is right. We should go for economic development and not for spending too heavily on roads in areas where investment can't be recovered. I agree, more roads in the borders will help us raise the threshold for nuclear deterrence, so that minor misadventures from Chinese side can be extinghuished on the border itself. After all we never wants things to go nuclear.

Though, my belief is that eventually China (if sense prevails) wants to use those roads to sell it's goods to us, via a land route.
They can't justify those roads trying to sell to Bhutan or Nepal.

We should be open to that at a later time. Trade with Bangladesh, Myanmar and China is good for development of North-East.