Help me in debated against Pakistani Army

[_alee]

guys guys .. we can discuss the issues of muslims in india and in pakistan later .. right now, the purpose of this post to get me some solid references to back me up.

 

[shravan]

guys guys .. we can discuss the issues of muslims in india and in pakistan later .. right now, the purpose of this post to get me some solid references to back me up.

Yaar Just ask you friend what has America done for Pakistan till date ?

 

[shravan]

look at the whole group and ull see that most of them are living in poor condition relative to other citizens. no offence

What is your definition of Group?

If I tell My Indian Muslim Brothers to see how Pakistan as a Country is in a deep mess would that be fair...

 

[salman nedian]

Just tell him if America could control Taliban, they would have controlled them in Afghanistan. They can’t handle them there how can they control them in Pakistan?

That’s the simplest of answers I have.

 

[ajpirzada]

guys guys .. we can discuss the issues of muslims in india and in pakistan later .. right now, the purpose of this post to get me some solid references to back me up.

wats his main arguement?? also is he actually willin to understand wat u r sayin or has he already made up his mind and now only wastin ur time?? if he is willin to understand wat u r sayin then its worth debatin or else there is not point.

 

[dabong1]

YUP THEY ALL ARE POOR. Muslims in India are Not allowed to become Actors, Musicians, Singers, Politicians, Cricketers, Scientists, Engineers, etc. We treat them like ****.

The sad part is the Muslims who are poor in India are the ones who want laws like Saudi Arabia and don't want to work because they will not be able to pray 5 times a day.

The data, accessed by The Indian Express, shows:

94.9 per cent of Muslims in Below Poverty Line (BPL) families in rural areas do not receive free foodgrains.

While only 3.2 per cent of Muslims get subsidised loans, just 1.9 per cent of the community benefit from the Antyodaya Anna Yojana Scheme, a programme meant to prevent starvation among the poorest of poor by providing food grains at a subsidised rate.

60.2 per cent of Muslims do not have any land in rural areas. National average: 43%

Just 2.1 per cent of Muslim farmers have tractors. With 15,25,000 tractors, India ranks No.4 after US, Japan and Italy

A mere 1 per cent own handpumps.

On the educational front, the picture is equally dismal: 54.6 per cent Muslims in villages and 60 per cent in urban areas have never attended schools. National average: 40.8 per cent in rural areas and 19.9 per cent in urban areas.

Only 0.8 per cent of Muslims in rural areas are graduates.

Although in urban areas, nearly 40 per cent of the Muslims now receive modern education, only 3.1 per cent of the community in urban areas are graduates. Just 1.2 per cent are post-graduates.

When contacted by The Indian Express, Justice Sachar said: These figures are based on what people and organisations told us when we met them in the states. But they need to be analysed before arriving at any final conclusion. The committee is yet to submit its report.

The committee also found shocking instances of discrimination against the community. These include cases of Muslims not getting loans from even nationalised banks and finding it difficult to sell or buy property.

There is an implicit diktat that loans should not be given in specific areas dominated by Muslims because of the high probability of default the committee observed after its visit to Rajasthan between August 22 and 24 last year.

The committee also found inadequate number of government schools in the Muslim-dominated areas contributing to the low number of Muslim boys and girls attending the schools.

source: expressindia.com

Maybe you should read the final report and then tell us how great india has been for the muslims.

 

[shravan]

_alee

Iraq has been reduced from one of the most industrialized and advanced nations in the Middle East, to a country with an average of 3-4 hours of electricity available per day. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Iraqi’s have been killed, injured or displaced.

Ask your friend is that what he wants.

 

[paritosh]

i knew this was coming from someone. u cant describe the condition of a group of ppl by only referrin to few individuals. look at the whole group and ull see that most of them are living in poor condition relative to other citizens. no offence

well....just in some other thread on the maltreatment of women in pakistan...somebody posted some pics of successful women of pakistan...there were 4-5 pics...and he justified by saying that if these 4-5 can be allowed to achieve what they have achieved so can the other millions.
that was a good point...and very much appropriate here as well.

 

[shravan]

_alee

Iraq has been reduced from one of the most industrialized and advanced nations in the Middle East, to a country with an average of 3-4 hours of electricity available per day. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Iraqi’s have been killed, injured or displaced.

Ask your friend is that what he wants.

 

[dabong1]

Prison is the only place where Muslims are over-represented

New Delhi, October 28: In sharp contrast to education and employment, where their share is way, way below their share of the population, Muslims have a disproportionately high representation when it comes to being in prison.

In fact, in many states, Muslims even make up a higher percentage of the population in jail than they do outside.

This statistic, a key finding of the Prime Minister-appointed Justice Rajinder Sachar committee — which is looking into the status of Muslims nationwide — has major social and political implications. Such a high figure of incarceration, experts say, means further marginalisation of the community, deepening prejudice and distrust.

While there is no break-up of the nature of the crime for which these inmates have been imprisoned, sources said the total number of inmates surveyed is 102,652 and a majority of them are not in for terrorism.

A dozen states with significant Muslim population shares were asked to furnish statistics on the number of Muslims in prison, convicted and under-trials. West Bengal, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and Andhra Pradesh have not reported back to the committee on this so the data available is only for eight states that did.

Incidentally, West Bengal, UP and Bihar, as was first reported in The Indian Express this week, rank at the bottom when it comes to representation of Muslims in Government employment, including state public sector undertakings and the lower judiciary.

Data accessed by The Sunday Express shows that when it comes to Muslims in the prison population, Maharashtra, Gujarat and Kerala are the most disproportionate.

• In Maharashtra, the percentage of Muslim jail inmates in all categories (see chart) is way above their share in the population (Muslim share in population is 10.6%, share in the total prison inmates is 32.4%.

• When it comes to those in prison for less than a year, Muslims contribute 40.6% of all prisoners in Maharashtra.

• In Gujarat, the percentage of Muslims in the state is just 9.06% but they make up over a quarter of all jail inmates.

• Assam, the second highest Muslim populated state in the country, after J&K, has 30.9% Muslims, and here, the percentage of Muslim jail inmates is 28.1.

• Even Karnataka, which did relatively better than other states in providing jobs to Muslims, shows the same trend: 17.5% of its jail inmates are Muslim as compared with 12.23% of its population.
Prison is the only place where Muslims are over-represented

Just a few facts and figure to use in your debate against the idiot.

 

[ajpirzada]

well....just in some other thread on the maltreatment of women in pakistan...somebody posted some pics of successful women of pakistan...there were 4-5 pics...and he justified by saying that if these 4-5 can be allowed to achieve what they have achieved so can the other millions.
that was a good point...and very much appropriate here as well.

no. we have to accept the element of discrimination which exist in our socities.

 

[shravan]

‘Govt reluctant to release poverty figures’

By Mehtab Haider

ISLAMABAD:
The federal government is reluctant to release poverty figures from the latest official survey to avoid any controversy during the election year.

"We are seeking data of the Pakistan Social and Living Standard Measurement (PSLM) survey for 2005-06 about income and expenditures, on the basis of which poverty is being analysed, a high-level official disclosed while talking to The News here on Tuesday.

But, according to the official, the quarters concerned are reluctant to give them the data collected through PSLM, causing delays in finding out exact poverty figures.

The official said the government wanted to release the data after the next general elections to avoid a new controversy over it.

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LOL THAT MAKES ME LAUGH.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=66565 link has been removed.

Hey nobody stopped Indian Muslims from getting richer. In the first page i have given you the reason take a look.

 

[paritosh]

no. we have to accept the element of discrimination which exist in our socities.

i liked the 'our' that you used instead of 'your society'...i would have replied differently otherwise.

you are right it does exist...hindus+sikhs in pakistan bear the same fate...but we have a muslim quota and muslim specific institutes of learning all over our country...i know that a lot more has to be done...but do read about the muslim reservation in india...recently the supreme court rejected the demand for a further 4% quota for muslims...but did end'p giving a 5% quota...

 

[dabong1]

‘Govt reluctant to release poverty figures’

By Mehtab Haider

ISLAMABAD:
The federal government is reluctant to release poverty figures from the latest official survey to avoid any controversy during the election year.

"We are seeking data of the Pakistan Social and Living Standard Measurement (PSLM) survey for 2005-06 about income and expenditures, on the basis of which poverty is being analysed, a high-level official disclosed while talking to The News here on Tuesday.

But, according to the official, the quarters concerned are reluctant to give them the data collected through PSLM, causing delays in finding out exact poverty figures.

The official said the government wanted to release the data after the next general elections to avoid a new controversy over it.

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LOL THAT MAKES ME LAUGH.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=66565 link has been removed..

Nobody said theres no poverty in pakistan,more then likely it is increasing.
The point was about muslims in india and there progress or lack of progress in india in the last 60 years.

Hey nobody stopped Indian Muslims from getting richer. In the first page i have given you the reason take a look.

I think i need the repost my post for you to see that the indian govt is stopping then from getting educated and making money......yeah theres bound to be a few exceptions but am talking about the majority.

The data, accessed by The Indian Express, shows:

94.9 per cent of Muslims in Below Poverty Line (BPL) families in rural areas do not receive free foodgrains.

While only 3.2 per cent of Muslims get subsidised loans, just 1.9 per cent of the community benefit from the Antyodaya Anna Yojana Scheme, a programme meant to prevent starvation among the poorest of poor by providing food grains at a subsidised rate.

60.2 per cent of Muslims do not have any land in rural areas. National average: 43%

Just 2.1 per cent of Muslim farmers have tractors. With 15,25,000 tractors, India ranks No.4 after US, Japan and Italy

A mere 1 per cent own handpumps.

On the educational front, the picture is equally dismal: 54.6 per cent Muslims in villages and 60 per cent in urban areas have never attended schools. National average: 40.8 per cent in rural areas and 19.9 per cent in urban areas.

Only 0.8 per cent of Muslims in rural areas are graduates.

Although in urban areas, nearly 40 per cent of the Muslims now receive modern education, only 3.1 per cent of the community in urban areas are graduates. Just 1.2 per cent are post-graduates.

When contacted by The Indian Express, Justice Sachar said: These figures are based on what people and organisations told us when we met them in the states. But they need to be analysed before arriving at any final conclusion. The committee is yet to submit its report.

The committee also found shocking instances of discrimination against the community. These include cases of Muslims not getting loans from even nationalised banks and finding it difficult to sell or buy property.

There is an implicit diktat that loans should not be given in specific areas dominated by Muslims because of the high probability of default the committee observed after its visit to Rajasthan between August 22 and 24 last year.

The committee also found inadequate number of government schools in the Muslim-dominated areas contributing to the low number of Muslim boys and girls attending the schools.

 

[shravan]

Haj subsidy is subsidy in airfare given to the Indian Haj pilgrims. The Haj pilgrims going through Haj Committee of India are offered subsidy/concession in airfare. It is paid by the Government of India to Air India.

In the year 2007, the Haj subsidy paid by Indian government was Rs. 595 crore, and for 2008 it was Rs. 700 crore. Since 1994 the round trip cost to Jeddah has been fixed at Rs. 12,000 per pilgrim, and the rest of the bill is footed by the government. In 2007, this difference came to Rs. 47,454 per passenger.
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I dont understand why our government spends so much money on haj subsidy. This money can be used for poor Muslims.
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