Headley, Rana accuse ISI and Pak Govt for Mumbai Attacks

[Hulk]

Read post #6, how the court is looking at this case and his claims. A simple "This organization did it" doesn't work by itself. The criminal may be doing it to avoid responsibility. That's common in such cases.

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But if it doesn't even pass the court then it's you who is making the conspiracy theory by clinging on to such statements.

Courts respond to evidence presented to them, if the other country choose not to present evidence, court will acquit. What people miss is what did the public prosecutor did? He can simply not present the case well and claim lack of evidence.

This is where cross country comes in picture, if the government is not in favor obviously machinery will not work.

 

[SMC]

Courts respond to evidence presented to them, if the other country choose not to present evidence, court will acquit. What people miss is what did the public prosecutor did? He can simply not present the case well and claim lack of evidence.

This is where cross country comes in picture, if the government is not in favor obviously machinery will not work.

Yeah well that's the caveat with these courts going to local courts. You cannot simply just claim that if a case doesn't go your way that there was some conspiracy to avoid getting the defendant convicted.

 

[SMC]

Doesn't his claim go against all we know about this case and what bharatis claim about the case? i.e. LeT was not involved - that's what he's claiming.

 

[Leader]

I like their strategy, look how bits and pieces are put together, on and off constructing the so called proof to get their blame justified, and how easily hatred in penetrated into the young Indians...

 

[Thorough Pro]

There is no such thing in world called undeniable proof. Everything can be denied.
Statements can be denied. (Even if multiple people make them)
Video can be denied
Audio can be denied
Transactions can be denied
.....
Cross country cases are difficult to crack as the other can always take shelter of conspiracies. (Some more often then others

In plain language then they are not proof, just non-provable allegations. Tomorrow I can do a legally wrong thing and say I did it on behest of GOI or any other government or agency, that would'nt make GOI responsible.

 

[SMC]

Let us look at this confession on a simple game theory of loss or gain.

It is known that the level of detail involved in planning and execution was unparalleled in terrorism history and made it clear that an organisation such as Lashkar or some intelligence agency should be involved in carrying this out or both. Indians believe it is Lashkar or ISI or both. Pakistan barely manage to convince themselves with the RAW, Mosad and CIA angle.

So that's your argument then which state supported the 9/11 attacks? One would think only the USA as any other government trying to do it would probably get caught well before it happening. Or you could have a theory about a different state, then?

 

[Thorough Pro]

Courts respond to evidence presented to them, if the other country choose not to present evidence, court will acquit. What people miss is what did the public prosecutor did? He can simply not present the case well and claim lack of evidence.

This is where cross country comes in picture, if the government is not in favor obviously machinery will not work.

Only an insane government would do that if their own country / government is blamed. btw it is an established rule that burden of proof is on the accuser.

 

[SMC]

Doesn't his claim go against all we know about this case and what bharatis claim about the case? i.e. LeT was not involved - that's what he's claiming.

Just to add to that - group blamed by bharati government and the individuals/groups sanctioned was only LeT and/or JuD. Never it was claimed that only ISI was involved, only LeT or LeT supported by ISI.

But his claims beg the question. When was the last time such an attack carried out by an intelligence agency? If secret services are involved they normally use some other group to carry out the attacks.

What about Hafiz Saeed then? So will bharatis stop asking for his head?

 

[toxic_pus]

Just to add to that - group blamed by bharati government and the individuals/groups sanctioned was only LeT and/or JuD. Never it was claimed that only ISI was involved, only LeT or LeT supported by ISI.

But his claims beg the question. When was the last time such an attack carried out by an intelligence agency? If secret services are involved they normally use some other group to carry out the attacks.

What about Hafiz Saeed then? So will bharatis stop asking for his head?

The story in brief is this:

ISI engaged its agents, directly or indirectly, to do the groundwork in advance for the noble cause to be carried out in Mumbai. Geelani a.k.a Headley, for example, was engaged to carry out recce while Rana was engaged via Headley, to provide material support for the cuase. Members of LeT, under the able leadership of the great great professor Hafiz, then carried out the noble cause. All of it happened under watchful eyes of ISI.

So you see, as much as you wish for it, there is still no disconnect.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

The story in brief is this:

ISI engaged its agents, directly or indirectly, to do the groundwork in advance for the noble cause to be carried out in Mumbai. Geelani a.k.a Headley, for example, was engaged to carry out recce while Rana was engaged via Headley, to provide material support for the cuase. Members of LeT, under the able leadership of the great great professor Hafiz, then carried out the noble cause. All of it happened under watchful eyes of ISI.

So you see, as much as you wish for it, there is still no disconnect.

Whatever happens in the prosecution of Tahawwur Rana; the case is not just going to be hanging by itself in the air. This case will impact other legal actions in the USA, both initiated ones as well as ones that might be launched later.
One such legal action is the suit filed in a Brooklyn court naming LET and ISI as respondents. There will be scope for cross-referencing and cross-implications. This needs to be watched closely as it plays out.

 

[illuminatidinesh]

Just to add to that - group blamed by bharati government and the individuals/groups sanctioned was only LeT and/or JuD. Never it was claimed that only ISI was involved, only LeT or LeT supported by ISI.

But his claims beg the question. When was the last time such an attack carried out by an intelligence agency? If secret services are involved they normally use some other group to carry out the attacks.

What about Hafiz Saeed then? So will bharatis stop asking for his head?

What ever evidence U have been submitted U are not going to accecpt why the vague argument? But then Ur intelligence agency is a completely different one , is it not? Todays suffering are due to yesterdays mischief..... As long as U dont get this it is difficult...

 

[Mirza Jatt]

This was known by Indian intelligence agencies long since .Wonder why PM Singh is again extending the hand of friendship first...:/

trusting pakistan is going to bring similar consequences..we have seen that for decades.

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

Not surprised at all with this news..! Dark truth is ISI have done this, they have supported in each and every possible way. State terrorism by pakistan is a well known truth all over the world and now this confirmation.

 

[SMC]

What ever evidence U have been submitted U are not going to accecpt why the vague argument? But then Ur intelligence agency is a completely different one , is it not? Todays suffering are due to yesterdays mischief..... As long as U dont get this it is difficult...

Vague argument? So you chose to not read my other posts?

 

[SMC]

Not surprised at all with this news..! Dark truth is ISI have done this, they have supported in each and every possible way. State terrorism by pakistan is a well known truth all over the world and now this confirmation.

Dark truth? Whole world believing this?

This case isn't even done yet - look at how the judges are treating his claims. So does bharat now equal the whole world? Before it used to be bharat + some parts of the west. LOL.