Have the Chinese Created a Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile?

[Martian2]

According to the China-haters on this forum, the use of any Chinese weapon that is nuclear-capable will be considered as a nuclear strike on the U.S. military. This is your absurd position, not mine.

Your anti-China logic: Chinese ASBM = IRBM = nuclear capable = we China-haters think it's the declaration of a nuclear war by China

Extension of your anti-China logic: Chinese anti-ship cruise missile = nuclear capable = you know (e.g. we China-haters think it's the declaration of a nuclear war by China)

Further extension of your anti-China logic: Chinese howitzer = nuclear capable = you know

Therefore, according to the anti-China crowd on this forum, China is only allowed to fight with bows and arrows. If we are to take the views of the China-haters seriously, the U.S. Navy can expect to be shot with Chinese bows and arrows when they near Chinese shores. This is the natural and ridiculous conclusion of your goofy idea, "China is starting a nuclear war by using any nuclear-capable weapon."

When the conclusion is absurd, the assumptions are absurd. You should know this already.

"Wooden-bone Han dynasty Chinese crossbow, second century B.C."

 

[lonelyship]

That's sadly a cold blood assumption in the dangerous world in which we lived.
We care nothing for others, as long as we are good, I think you can use any weapon you have and developed -how can haters can stop that, haters gonna hate anyway-, the leftover is cautions and react from others, some will not risk a war, some will.
If your DF-21 is good, the CG is not there to begin with.

 

[gambit]

The point of that missile is not to fire but to put some condition in the CG, like russian BM.
They send the CG, knowing that group could be counter with DF-21 ? if the missile is as good as paper, the CG go, unless it sit in safe zone.
Treating that launch as nuclear attack which would be the truth and thus risk going to all out nuclear war with china; the result is the US say good bye to her No.1.
No matter which age the chinese go to, vanquish, who care, the problem is her role after that.
That's the point of DF-21, they can treat that as nuclear strike, ok, then strike back, that consequence must be calculate by any general before they send the CG.
Gambit do tell the truth that the launch can be nuclear aim to whatever, the real question/intention is should the US allow/put her CG into such launch ?
And the leftover is how good those DF-21 go ?
The same calculation can apply to countless number of incident during cold war, in fact the USSR and US nearly killed this planet 3-4 times.

An aircraft carrier is just as much an instrument of diplomacy, either for goodwill or for persuasion, as it is an instrument of war. The US will not stop using these ships just because there is a potential threat. There are some Chinese members here who advocated that China should adopt a 'mad dog' nuclear policy since it is a given that in any conflict China will lose anyway, China should begin the fight with nuclear weapons. The Chinese leadership is fortunately not as foolish as these conscript rejects here.

There are plenty of instances in history where policy makers were surprised when actual human response did not match their predictions, for the US-China relationship, one of those instances was the Korean War. Mao did not expect Kim to act as he did and the extent of the US response. Another is the US-led alliance against Iraq. No one really expected the US under B41 to be able to create such an alliance. China cannot assume that the US will do nothing in regards to Chinese intention to dominate Asia or even the Taiwan issue for that matter.

Since the Chinese leadership know that the US will not stop using our aircraft carriers even into China's claimed backyard, vis-a-vis Asia, the question becomes what will China actually do with the DF-21D other than to use it for saber rattling purposes. The PLA's leadership certainly have studied US air tactics in Desert Storm and in Yugoslavia. PLA generals know that there is nowhere in China that the US could not reach with our air forces, this mean the DF-21D will most likely be used only when the shooting has already begun, opportunities are available, and that both sides somehow became reasonably convinced that the conflict will not escalate to a nuclear exchange.

 

[huzihaidao12]

An aircraft carrier is just as much an instrument of diplomacy, either for goodwill or for persuasion, as it is an instrument of war. The US will not stop using these ships just because there is a potential threat. There are some Chinese members here who advocated that China should adopt a 'mad dog' nuclear policy since it is a given that in any conflict China will lose anyway, China should begin the fight with nuclear weapons. The Chinese leadership is fortunately not as foolish as these conscript rejects here.

There are plenty of instances in history where policy makers were surprised when actual human response did not match their predictions, for the US-China relationship, one of those instances was the Korean War. Mao did not expect Kim to act as he did and the extent of the US response. Another is the US-led alliance against Iraq. No one really expected the US under B41 to be able to create such an alliance. China cannot assume that the US will do nothing in regards to Chinese intention to dominate Asia or even the Taiwan issue for that matter.

Since the Chinese leadership know that the US will not stop using our aircraft carriers even into China's claimed backyard, vis-a-vis Asia, the question becomes what will China actually do with the DF-21D other than to use it for saber rattling purposes. The PLA's leadership certainly have studied US air tactics in Desert Storm and in Yugoslavia. PLA generals know that there is nowhere in China that the US could not reach with our air forces, this mean the DF-21D will most likely be used only when the shooting has already begun, opportunities are available, and that both sides somehow became reasonably convinced that the conflict will not escalate to a nuclear exchange.

Haha, you are too self-confident to the U.S. military, no one wanted to go into nuclear war, China's goal is to defeat the United States in a conventional war, if that there is a conflict. You guess, when he could occur?

 

[lonelyship]

An aircraft carrier is just as much an instrument of diplomacy, either for goodwill or for persuasion, as it is an instrument of war. The US will not stop using these ships just because there is a potential threat. There are some Chinese members here who advocated that China should adopt a 'mad dog' nuclear policy since it is a given that in any conflict China will lose anyway, China should begin the fight with nuclear weapons. The Chinese leadership is fortunately not as foolish as these conscript rejects here.

There are plenty of instances in history where policy makers were surprised when actual human response did not match their predictions, for the US-China relationship, one of those instances was the Korean War. Mao did not expect Kim to act as he did and the extent of the US response. Another is the US-led alliance against Iraq. No one really expected the US under B41 to be able to create such an alliance. China cannot assume that the US will do nothing in regards to Chinese intention to dominate Asia or even the Taiwan issue for that matter.

Since the Chinese leadership know that the US will not stop using our aircraft carriers even into China's claimed backyard, vis-a-vis Asia, the question becomes what will China actually do with the DF-21D other than to use it for saber rattling purposes. The PLA's leadership certainly have studied US air tactics in Desert Storm and in Yugoslavia. PLA generals know that there is nowhere in China that the US could not reach with our air forces, this mean the DF-21D will most likely be used only when the shooting has already begun, opportunities are available, and that both sides somehow became reasonably convinced that the conflict will not escalate to a nuclear exchange.

Further into this conversation prove nothing but conspiracy, nothing more, you think they don't, in fact they do, and via versa, talk about Russia-Georgia conflict, why the US don't bring CG into the black sea, or close to it, simple, they don't want to provoke russia , which consequence is unthinkable. You think a launch from df-21 may be nuclear and be treat accordingly, now you speak of some what will not escalate.
If you do think it as nuclear, why don't you keep your point ?
If not, you're agreeing with Martian2, funny that's his point is both side don't think it will escalate
Because the US in reality don't belive the china is using "mad dog" policy , she dooesn't treat any launch from china is BM aim to the US with nuke which China did many nowadays. This's serious issue since both side have virtually no military contact for sometime this year and the last, yet the US stand in caution only.
That's lucky for the US also when think about Russia and her Bulava which have some "bad" habit.

That's a loophole of sea-denial weapon, you think it's nuke, it does its job, you don't think it's nuke, it still does its job.