Hatf 7 Babur Cruise Missile Multi-tube Version Tested

[IceCold]

Can this missile be launched from Agosta 90 Submarine?

Even if it can, i believe there is this agreement French had signed which makes them prohibit their weapon system to be used for nuclear or strategic launch. You can search google since i cant seem to remember the exact name.

 

[fatman17]

Tuesday, September 18, 2012


Pakistan test-fires N-capable cruise missile

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Monday test-fired a nuclear-capable cruise missile with “stealth features”, the military said, the country’s first such exercise in more than three months. The military described the Hatf-VII Babur missile as a “low-flying, terrain-hugging missile, which can strike targets both at land and sea with pinpoint accuracy” and has a range of 700 kilometres.

Pakistan’s last missile test, also of a Hatf-VII, came in June at the end of a spate of five launches in around six weeks that followed India’s firing of its Agni V rocket. The military said Monday’s launch was carried out from a “Multi Tube Missile Launch Vehicle (MLV)”, which it said improved the Babur system’s targeting and deployment capabilities. The test was witnessed by Strategic Plans Division Director General Lieutenant General (r) Khalid Ahmed Kidwai, National Engineering and Scientific Commission (NESCOM) Chairman Muhammad Irfan Burney and senior officers from the armed forces and strategic organisations. The successful test was appreciated by the president, prime minister and the joint chiefs of staff committee chairman, who congratulated the scientists and engineers on their success. staff report/afp

 

[fatman17]

Can this missile be launched from Agosta 90 Submarine?

Tri-ad, hmmmm - such details are never revealed.

 

[Slayer786]

Pakistan wants to remind everyone that we have the capability to inflict damage on our enemies if they dare attack us. I wonder if the US fleet will be in danger in the Middle East once our subs our equipped with these babies.

 

[AUz]

Pakistan wants to remind everyone that we have the capability to inflict damage on our enemies if they dare attack us. I wonder if the US fleet will be in danger in the Middle East once our subs our equipped with these babies.

No , it won't.

 

[Safriz]

My thoughts on some of th epoints you raised.

I believe all commands are in text format (I am not an expert and can be totally wrong on this.)

You don't need to send complete tercom or digital tercom files. These should already be stored on onboard computer. Yoiur command should only communicate new co-ordiantes, onboard computer should be able to compute the new route from its present location and access the relevant digital tercom data on the onboard computer.

If it works as above we should be able to command a change in target on land as well.

Regarding moving sea targets: Missile range is 700 KM, missile speed (actual speed is classified) and max subsonic speed at sea level at 20 degree celscius should be about 1235 KM per hour.. Lets assume missle speed is 1000 km per hour.

At this speed missile would take about 42 minutes to reach a moving target at sea. In 42 minutes what is the maximum distance a sea vessel can travel at lets say 45 knots? (45x1.852=83.4 km/hour x42 minutes) approx 58 km. Now how big a radar (active or passive) do you need to track a big sea going target in a known direction from a high altitude?

Do we actually need a radar forthe final stage or can a specialized, embedded targetting pod can do the job? Can we integrate any of the above with the missile navigation system? What is current system on Babur to justify the statement that it can hit any land or sea target with pin point accuracy? Is this valid for stationary targets only? We know thre are no stationary targets at sea, then what does this statement signify?

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Obviously many variants can be created similar to tomahawk

AGM-109H/L Medium Range Air to Surface Missile (MRASM) - a shorter range, turbojet powered ASM with bomblet munitions; never entered service.
BGM-109A Tomahawk Land Attack Missile - Nuclear (TLAM-A) with a W80 nuclear warhead.
BGM-109C Tomahawk Land Attack Missile - Conventional (TLAM-C) with a unitary warhead.
BGM-109D Tomahawk Land Attack Missile - Dispenser (TLAM-D) with submunitions.
RGM/UGM-109B Tomahawk Anti Ship Missile (TASM) - radar guided anti-shipping variant.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...cruise-missile-database-10.html#ixzz26ppioZXD

 

[saiyan0321]

well congrats hope some info is revealed two tests in 5 months something big is happening you don tneed to test it after 5 months if nothing new is added

 

[The Deterrent]

Why Pakistan is not testing this Missile from a Frigate ?

Because the system (ground-launched version) was under development till now. It is now ready for full-scale production (limited previously), subsequent induction into the ASFC and user trials.
For the ship launched version, more compact launch platform is needed. But it's development won't take much time.

 

[Edevelop]

 

[Arsalan]

video
Pakistan tests new cruise missile - Video Dailymotion

Nice to see Babur painted in Grey!!

Mill match our frigates

PS: Note that the video off flight path is from an old test wil the missile painted in orange and white stripe. The launch is of the latest testing.

 

[Tehmasib]

arsalan@ orange or red color kisi aor ko pasand hy na .....i hope u understand

 

[Zarvan]

Nice to see Babur painted in Grey!!

Mill match our frigates

PS: Note that the video off flight path is from an old test wil the missile painted in orange and white stripe. The launch is of the latest testing.

The Missile is in same colour Sir when launched we see only one side but when it goes in Air it is same colour

 

[DARKY]

Obviously many variants can be created similar to tomahawk

AGM-109H/L Medium Range Air to Surface Missile (MRASM) - a shorter range, turbojet powered ASM with bomblet munitions; never entered service.
BGM-109A Tomahawk Land Attack Missile - Nuclear (TLAM-A) with a W80 nuclear warhead.
BGM-109C Tomahawk Land Attack Missile - Conventional (TLAM-C) with a unitary warhead.
BGM-109D Tomahawk Land Attack Missile - Dispenser (TLAM-D) with submunitions.
RGM/UGM-109B Tomahawk Anti Ship Missile (TASM) - radar guided anti-shipping variant.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...cruise-missile-database-10.html#ixzz26ppioZXD

One of the reasons why the Nuclear capability of Babur remains.... dubious.
If we observe Tomhawk configuration which is similar to Babur considering its 450kg payload capability... I guess Babur has 500kg payload capability.

The mass of W80 warhead is about 110kg for 150KT yield.... is one of the Lighter warheads used by US... keeping in mind the rest of the space being occupied by Instruments explosives, Guidance Instruments and etc.... Here Pakistan is yet to miniaturize its bomb to such levels.. considering the Electronics systems miniaturization to be on Par with the best in the world... (which it is not in reality).

This concludes that the warhead on Babur if Nuclear has to be of tactical sub-kiloton yield... which is not enough to be considered as strategic deterrence... Hence some people who think that arming the Nuclear subs with Babur... would account for a Nuclear Triad are wrong in this regard... they have to 1st miniaturize the plain fission based Pu-239 warheads upto 110kg to achieve 10+KT strategic yeild.. Which is very difficult and not possible... or assuming A.Q. Khan is correct about the boosted fission HEU warhead.. miniaturize it upto the level 100-200kg.. which is difficult but can be achieved... however it requires tests in order to verify the new design.

The Lightest Pakistani warhead known has been of 91kg and is a sub-kiloton fission based device... which uses Pu-239.

 

[DARKY]

Obviously many variants can be created similar to tomahawk

AGM-109H/L Medium Range Air to Surface Missile (MRASM) - a shorter range, turbojet powered ASM with bomblet munitions; never entered service.
BGM-109A Tomahawk Land Attack Missile - Nuclear (TLAM-A) with a W80 nuclear warhead.
BGM-109C Tomahawk Land Attack Missile - Conventional (TLAM-C) with a unitary warhead.
BGM-109D Tomahawk Land Attack Missile - Dispenser (TLAM-D) with submunitions.
RGM/UGM-109B Tomahawk Anti Ship Missile (TASM) - radar guided anti-shipping variant.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...cruise-missile-database-10.html#ixzz26ppioZXD

One of the reasons why the Nuclear capability of Babur remains.... dubious.
If we observe Tomhawk configuration which is similar to Babur considering its 450kg payload capability... I guess Babur has 500kg payload capability.

The mass of W80 warhead is about 110kg for 150KT yield.... is one of the Lighter warheads used by US... keeping in mind the rest of the space being occupied by Instruments explosives, Guidance Instruments and etc.... Here Pakistan is yet to miniaturize its bomb to such levels.. considering the Electronics systems miniaturization to be on Par with the best in the world... (which it is not in reality).

This concludes that the warhead on Babur if Nuclear has to be of tactical sub-kiloton yield... which is not enough to be considered as strategic deterrence... Hence some people who think that arming the Nuclear subs with Babur... would account for a Nuclear Triad are wrong in this regard... they have to 1st miniaturize the plain fission based Pu-239 warheads upto 110kg to achieve 10+KT strategic yeild.. Which is very difficult and not possible... or assuming A.Q. Khan is correct about the boosted fission HEU warhead.. miniaturize it upto the level 100-200kg.. which is difficult but can be achieved... however it requires tests in order to verify the new design.

The Lightest Pakistani warhead known has been of 91kg and is a sub-kiloton fission based device... which uses Pu-239.

 

[dilpakistani]

One of the reasons why the Nuclear capability of Babur remains.... dubious.
If we observe Tomhawk configuration which is similar to Babur considering its 450kg payload capability... I guess Babur has 500kg payload capability.

The mass of W80 warhead is about 110kg for 150KT yield.... is one of the Lighter warheads used by US... keeping in mind the rest of the space being occupied by Instruments explosives, Guidance Instruments and etc.... Here Pakistan is yet to miniaturize its bomb to such levels.. considering the Electronics systems miniaturization to be on Par with the best in the world... (which it is not in reality).

This concludes that the warhead on Babur if Nuclear has to be of tactical sub-kiloton yield... which is not enough to be considered as strategic deterrence... Hence some people who think that arming the Nuclear subs with Babur... would account for a Nuclear Triad are wrong in this regard... they have to 1st miniaturize the plain fission based Pu-239 warheads upto 110kg to achieve 10+KT strategic yeild.. Which is very difficult and not possible... or assuming A.Q. Khan is correct about the boosted fission HEU warhead.. miniaturize it upto the level 100-200kg.. which is difficult but can be achieved... however it requires tests in order to verify the new design.

The Lightest Pakistani warhead known has been of 91kg and is a sub-kiloton fission based device... which uses Pu-239.

Plutonium weapons are very compact by default in design and are very light weight compared to Uranium ones... 25-45 KT weapons can be deployed on small systems such as cruise missiles or torpedo tips as they don't wgh more than 200-300 KG.... Even Harpoons can be yielded with 1 or more KT weapons