lol, if you read my post, that is not what I said. I wasnt the one that listed the stereotypes. It was something Developro listed saying that, this is how muslims are victimzed or subjected to racism. I merely picked on two issues on that, which are factual.
That Muslims find it difficult to integrate, cuz they have a different culture and a way of life. I am merely saying - Be a Roman in rome.
(This is assuming that the first line of your was sarcastic
I couldnt quite figure it out for sure if it was or wasnt XD)
I am a product manager in IT and I live in Bangalore. Previously I lived in the US for almost 7 years. Like I said, I have many friends from almost every continent, so am not ignorant of diversity or culture. Like I said in one of my previous posts, I have friends from Israel and friends from the West Bank (Palestinian Muslim). And both of THEM know each other very well, are respectful to each other and understand each other. Am just pointing this out to say that I am not ignorant of diversity, Ive been right in the middle of it. Sometimes even the most controversial combinations
So a lot of these India and Israel haters, like Zarvan for example, who wants to genocide Jews, die for Islam etc, seem.....pffffft. Just saying.
yeah the first line was definitely meant to show a bit of sarcasm.
Unfortunately Indians and Pakistanis both suffer from the "disease of proximity" that is! we are too close to fully understand each other.
Strange huh?
Considering our HUGE populations, we are like two cousins living in a two room shack both with 4 wives and 16 children each. (just as an example. I know Hindus can never have "joy" to live with 4 wives, and many Pakistanis are in the same boat even though they have "religious obligation" to do so. just kidding).
Ideally with that kind of living, we should know each other completely with every wart and all. But we don't.
Why?
We are too frustrated, too damaged psychologically, too demoralized because we have looked at each other and lived with each other for long long time, too long to find enough separation, enough peace of mind, enough tranquility to appreciate each other.
And thus we live with stereotypes
And Pakistanis have a double whammy. We not only were hampered and hamstrung by subcontinental prejudices (common between Indians and Pakistanis), we bought and gulped down Arab, and Iranian prejudices as well.
Developro I suspect has ingested Iranian poison (forgive me big D if I am wrong) and Zarvan is high on Arab hash (forgive me if you prefer Iranian narcos).
All this poison and drugs in our system drive us mad at least until we are single and thus too much time to worry about the whole fing world simply because we cannot unload our pent up load.
And by the way I see the same frustration in many single Indian frustrated about not finding a steady gf.
Why I do know about this. Simple! been there done that. However I was fortunate not to ingest Iranian poison (not a shia), and neither the Arabian hash (not a Wahabi). But yes I had too much prejudices against Indians until I was old enough to interact and visit and meet Hindu families.
Then I realized that Pakistanis and Indians, Chinese and Koreans, Arabs and Jews they all have their hopes and fears and dreams. And they all worry about losing their identity in this fast-mixing global trends.
I have seen my Hindu friends not eating a single rice at a dinner party half way through until the chef brought out vegetarian dish, a single plate prepared for a single Hindu participant among a congregation of Muslims, Christians, and Jews.
So one could say well. Hindus do not mix. But that will be absolutely wrong. We all admired the Sabr and Patience and steadfastness of his beliefs.
Thus "not being able to mix" was admired and not looked down upon.
Similarly when there is no Christmas tree just in one house on an upscale street of America, what do you say? Well Jews don't want to mix. But that will be absolutely wrong. We all admired the Sabr and Patience and steadfastness of this family's beliefs.
On the other hand our Muslim host family had a HUGE Christmas tree in their drawing room. The host said, Jesus is our prophet too, so there is no harm in celebrating a day named after him.
And thus Muslim kids in that household got gifts on Christmas and then on Eid. Now which kid won't love that deal.
Contrast this to a poor Bihari Muslim family living in India, worried sick when their next meal will be and from where it will come from. Would we then blame them for not celebrating Christmas, or Youm kapur, or New Year. Absolutely not.
Thus the concept of "mixing" of Muslims in non-Muslims is not a simple up or down vote. It is much more complicated as it intersects along social, economic, religious, cultural, and regional lines.
And on many of these intersections, you will find Hindus, Christians and Jews doing very similar things that a Muslim is doing.
How many Hindus in America do not want their girls and boys to get married with local goras? How many of them bring their girls and boys back to India and find them a mate of the same caste and same region and the same language?
How many Jewish mum and dad worry about their kids losing the Jewish culture and tradition? one would know. right?
Well I don't have the statistics but I am sure many, because I have met and seen many.
bottom line is that when we look at someone who is different, and we start with love an patience, I assure you that we find love and patience and care.
On the other hand if we start with prejudices, then guess what, we will find tonnes of that $hit.
Thus we get we seek.
Hope you now understand
And do visit Pakistan when you have time and your finances allow. PM me and my house will be yours. mi casa e su casa
I assure you that you will return with 100s of stories about ordinary Muslim Pakistanis on the street going out of their way to make sure you will have safe and pleasant trip. Until then google and you will find Indians raving about the love and care they got during their visit to Pakistan. Heck even Advani Ji returned filled with praises for Jinnah until off course he was snubbed by his party stalwarts.
And I assure you you will find many examples of Muslims who are fully integrated with the world and with others.
peace to you