Hassan Nissar

[Hammy007]

Zaid Hamid is one of the main reasons of the radicalization of young Pakistani’s against India, Hindu’s etc etc. People like him only love the attention they get, their so called love for the country is nothing but an act to hide the immense hate they carry in their hearts. He is not a role model for anyone by any standards.

the hate the pakistanis have against india is not because "a person is mis guiding them", but because of your own actions. your army interfered with our country's business and broke our country, is it the thing to forget??? if you want to earn respect of pakistani people you will have to improve your attitude. reap the fruit of the seeds of hate you sow.

 

[SMC]

And since you're glorifying the west so much, what would you say about their slaughtering of aboriginals in North America and Australia and taking over their land?

 

[Durran3]

So basically according to you if that's how its been historically that's how it should be today. You know there are several things that were in a certain way for history and I bet you wouldn't be OK with how those were historically.

So according to you, west is OK to intervene and be "adventerous" in other nations if they want to because they're powerful. By the same token, we can justify doing what you'd call terrorism in western states too if we have the capability, because essentially one thing that west has done is kill people to further their goals, and you're saying that if they're powerful enough to do it they should do it, so the same goes for us.

Your not getting the point..some basic fundamentals do not change no matter how different they look now. Globalization, coca cola, McDonalds are what I call being Adventurous in todays world or The British East India company in the 30's. If your so ticked off at the west for being adventurous why not become one yourself? Last time i remember the Moors, Huns and Ottomons were fairly deep into Europe when they had the resources to go about doing what they wanted in Venice, Spain and Greece.

The furthest Pakistan can go right now in terms of meddling in other countries affairs is Afghanistan. Does it have the right to do that? No.. Does ANY country have the right to meddle in other countries affairs? NO...Can They if they have the resources? Yes end of story... Either stop whining and crying about how the West is this and the west is that.. or pick up the slack and build an empire by progressively contributing to Society

 

[notsuperstitious]

well hindu extremist parties like BJP and whatever are creating love for Muslims, Pakistan, even indian Muslims and they are just building Masjids like Babri Masjid..come on dude...both countries are doing same things.

BTW there are many mosques under construction in India. Get off one Babri.

Sorry for off topic.

 

[SMC]

Your not getting the point..some basic fundamentals do not change no matter how different they look now. Globalization, coca cola, McDonalds are what I call being Adventurous in todays world or The British East India company in the 30's. If your so ticked off at the west for being adventurous why not become one yourself? Last time i remember the Moors, Huns and Ottomons were fairly deep into Europe when they had the resources to go about doing what they wanted in Venice, Spain and Greece.

The furthest Pakistan can go right now in terms of meddling in other countries affairs is Afghanistan. Does it have the right to do that? No.. Does ANY country have the right to meddle in other countries affairs? NO...Can They if they have the resources? Yes end of story... Either stop whining and crying about how the West is this and the west is that.. or pick up the slack and build an empire by progressively contributing to Society

You're coming across as full of yourself and very arrogant. Again, if west can intervene and kill people in muslim nations, then by the same token, muslim nations and/or muslim groups can also go and carry out what you'd call terrorism, and that would be justified under your logic. And you yourself would have no right to criticize it.

Your argument is very simplistic and naive. Many people in the west are also against their government's intervention in foreign lands. There are things that we used to do which we considered normal and now consider wrong. Even the western governments claim to be trying to move away from those things. So quit the glorifying and chauvanism.

 

[forcetrip]

You're coming across as full of yourself and very arrogant. Again, if west can intervene and kill people in muslim nations, then by the same token, muslim nations and/or muslim groups can also go and carry out what you'd call terrorism, and that would be justified under your logic. And you yourself would have no right to criticize it.

Your argument is very simplistic and naive. Many people in the west are also against their government's intervention in foreign lands. There are things that we used to do which we considered normal and now consider wrong. Even the western governments claim to be trying to move away from those things. So quit the glorifying and chauvanism.

Yes they can call it anything they want .. They are in a position of power and going head on with them will further isolate you. They make the rules now. How is crying all the time about it being unfair gonna change it? You think they will stop defending themselves after they invaded us? The more you make them spend on these wars, the more they will throw that country into their debt. So in a way you can resist and destroy their fuel tankers all day long. The bill is putting us and our children back into the stone age. Their is a time for emotional response and a time for reasoning with your surrondings.

 

[forcetrip]

Some of his points are very valid...
He is a good writer (some points are very valid)
but a complete failure speaking strategically...

No doubt. His delivery needs a lot of work especially speaking publicly.

 

[sparklingway]

Your not getting the point..some basic fundamentals do not change no matter how different they look now. Globalization, coca cola, McDonalds are what I call being Adventurous in todays world or The British East India company in the 30's. If your so ticked off at the west for being adventurous why not become one yourself? Last time i remember the Moors, Huns and Ottomons were fairly deep into Europe when they had the resources to go about doing what they wanted in Venice, Spain and Greece.

The furthest Pakistan can go right now in terms of meddling in other countries affairs is Afghanistan. Does it have the right to do that? No.. Does ANY country have the right to meddle in other countries affairs? NO...Can They if they have the resources? Yes end of story... Either stop whining and crying about how the West is this and the west is that.. or pick up the slack and build an empire by progressively contributing to Society

I've been trying to tell people the same thing but as most interpreter the invasion of foreign lands and barbarianism by "Muslim" conquerors as some sort of liberation and a religious duty, it is impossible for them to condemn their acts.

Our hegemonic ambitions have forced wars with India upon us and the ever bubbling need to control Afghanistan has hurt us in a dozen ways.

 

[sparklingway]

You're coming across as full of yourself and very arrogant. Again, if west can intervene and kill people in muslim nations, then by the same token, muslim nations and/or muslim groups can also go and carry out what you'd call terrorism, and that would be justified under your logic.

I have told you earlier that there is no such thing as comparative ethics and comparative morality.

Colonialists destroyed the world for worse and the effects of colonialism still linger on in many countries (including ours). Yet, when talking about "Muslim conquerors" there is no need to bring "west" in the debate for that is not part of the debate.

History should be evaluated within its own periods not across entire centuries.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Anyone can answer that?

When Hassan Nissar said in the video that traitors are/were not the part of western culture because the demands of the people and leaders were/are the same..
So, when British Empire expanded and committed those horrendous acts..it means the British civilians were equally responsible?

 

[EjazR]

The true great personalities of contemporary Islamic history are the scientists, sufis, scholars, poets and writers but how much do we know about them. Only a few Muslim rulers were good the rest just like any other non-Muslim ruler were not any different. Yet the unhealthy focus on just muslim rulers instead of the other great personalities.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Your not getting the point..some basic fundamentals do not change no matter how different they look now. Globalization, coca cola, McDonalds are what I call being Adventurous in todays world or The British East India company in the 30's. If your so ticked off at the west for being adventurous why not become one yourself? Last time i remember the Moors, Huns and Ottomons were fairly deep into Europe when they had the resources to go about doing what they wanted in Venice, Spain and Greece.

The furthest Pakistan can go right now in terms of meddling in other countries affairs is Afghanistan. Does it have the right to do that? No.. Does ANY country have the right to meddle in other countries affairs? NO...Can They if they have the resources? Yes end of story... Either stop whining and crying about how the West is this and the west is that.. or pick up the slack and build an empire by progressively contributing to Society

Human nature (including you) is no different. We'd like to poke nose in family matters, neighbourhood issues ..... countries affairs etc
It is natural to cry when someone tries to poke nose in your personal matters..
Everyone does it..
Regardless of your culture, skin etc
You cannot fight nature..
There are few people who are rational and try to overcome their mistakes..rest blame others for their problems...

 

[sparklingway]

So, when British Empire expanded and committed those horrendous acts..it means the British civilians were equally responsible?

No industrilaist could have run his big industries without exploitation of raw materials from the empire. So he was directly responsible for the slave labour and destruction of home industries in the countries that the British invaded.

As for the general populace, the British people were always at the front fighting for "indigenous people rights" when the colonizer was France, Germany or Belgium. Like others, they saw themselves as liberators who brought "civilization" to the world. I won't say equally responsible for the entire populace but certainly they share the blame for allowing the state to colonize and destroy the world for their own good.

They supported their state throughout their colonial adventures and thus are responsible.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

No industrilaist could have run his big industries without exploitation of raw materials from the empire. So he was directly responsible for the slave labour and destruction of home industries in the countries that the British invaded.

As for the general populace, the British people were always at the front fighting for "indigenous people rights" when the colonizer was France, Germany or Belgium. Like others, they saw themselves as liberators who brought "civilization" to the world. I won't say equally responsible for the entire populace but certainly they share the blame for allowing the state to colonize and destroy the world for their own good.

They supported their state throughout their colonial adventures and thus are responsible.

Okay!

 

[qsaark]

Here's what your Hassan Nisar thinks about the JI and Jamiat

Also he admits being aligned with the godless Commie lefties. Apparently their color and influence hasn't worn off yet it seems...

He has praised their (terrorist IJT/JI) role in enforcing the prevention of male-female intermingling, which, being a Muslim I also support. However, as I mentioned before in some of my earlier post in another thread, this is not the job of a student organization to implement Islamic laws in the academic institutions, this is the job of the administration.

From the fateful decision of Machhi Goth gathering in which the JI decided to take part in the active politics till today, what Jamaat has gained? It has street power, ghunda-gardi power, anarchy power, but nothing in the assemblies. JI only grew in the unholy auspicious of the Martial Law but was never able to gain confidence among the people of Pakistan who while agreeing with their good intentions, do not vote them for their ghunda behavior. If a party acts like this while not in power, what it will do if God forbidden, they'll come into power? This is the fear standing between the JI/IJT and the people of Pakistan.