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They will be bombed to fcuk because they have a shit Airforce and no offensive missile capability

A military strategy of we are too many to kill is not a good one

Yeah lmao one tsar bomba is all it requires to cook all the hilsaas.

 

[Baibars_1260]

As I stated in my earlier post, the main geopolitical player here is China.

Agree in general, but there is no specific effort by China to bring Pakistan and China together. There are no plans for a joint SCO summit and Bangladesh is not even in the SCO. We don't see how China benefits from better Pakistan Bangladesh relations. Bangladesh is not a member of the SCO has not even an observer status. Last check Bangladesh is not even officially in the dialogue process though it may have initiated early talks .So we don't know what is China's game. Chinese investment in Bangladesh and products manufactured may ( long shot) be routed through Pakistan but highly unlikely.

As Biden prepares to assume office, US is expected to be more serious to push Bangladesh on human rights and democracy issues which would threaten Hasina's rule. As a counter, Hasina is trying to get closer to China by responding to Chinese suggestion to reconcile with Pakistan.

LOL
Why closer to China? Why not even more closer to her guru Shri Narendra Modi who made a speech ( un-interpreted and in Hindi) in your Jatiyo Sansad when Sheikh Hasina is ignorant of the language and she along with 90% of the Jatiyo Sansad are fairly familiar with English.
For a country born out of pride in its linguistic identity the submission to linguistic arrogance from the big brother next door is surprising.
On the other hand Mamta Bannerjee her counterpart in power next door who ( my opinion only) speaks better shudh Bengali than her is not even honored with a return visit because she is the political opponent of Boro Bhai Modi

Lol where did you get these from? Looks like one of those funny "I'm-the-center-of-the-universe" crap.

From the title of this thread. Also from the news reports in your own bangla media which I try to follow.
So if the Muktijoddha song was :
Pak poshuder martey hobe
then why do you even talk or have an embassy at all. Kick the Pakistani ambassador out and close up the Pakistani embassy. You nearly did once. I assure you Pakistan will not protest and will quietly leave.
After all you are the only Bengalis in the world and center of the Bengali world, which is acceptable

All others don't count no matter what this song says:

Pakistan's airspace is crucial for Indian planes traveling between India and the Middle-east/West but hardly matters for Bangladeshi planes.

Kashmir crisis: Bangladeshi carriers little affected by Pakistani airspace closure

In case you noticed I already said this was a long shot interest and minor one.
So the London flights were affected and BD flights elsewhere were denied alternative flight paths.
That is good to know. The less interest Bangladesh has in Pakistani airspace the better. Pakistan has zero interest and its flights to Bangkok can find alternative routes over China and Myanmar. Pakistan doesn't even maintain a PIA main office in Dhaka and uses a third party GSA instead. It wouldn't matter the least bit to Pakistan if Bangladesh closed its airspace to Pakistani planes

On connectivity, Bangladesh doesn't have any significant trade with western China or Central Asia, so I doubt if Gwadar/Karachi would serve any benefits. It's rather far more cost-effective to transport goods to China through the sea.

I already said its a possible long shot interest. You confirm there is no interest so much the better. We get a lot of fish from Gwadar and we would like to keep our cuisine less spicy. Jholer Macher will not be on our menu in restaurants there.

I don't remember any instance where Bangladesh expressed an interest in JF-17 as all the official tenders/reports suggest BAF is interested in twin-engine fighters. For single-engine, China has already offered J-10 to BAF on a silver plate which is much superior to the thunders.

I already said it was a long shot based on rumors. See the. video below. You think its a piece of junk like your boro bhai thinks so it is fine
Pakistan was never selling and you were never buying. Curious why this interest in what Myanmar gets based on this video:

Buy the J-10s. Your allies next
door will be coming over with a screwdriver and magnifying glass to examine the planes.
May I ask whom you are going to fight with the J-10s ?

The Bengalis living in Pakistan are not Bangladeshi citizens so there is hardly any concern from Bangladeshi side.

Good to hear. So for these Bengali speaking Pakistanis, Bangladesh is closed to travel so no visas are needed and you can downsize your visa section in Karachi.

The only issue Bangladesh had was the repatriation of the stranded Pakistanis living in Bangladesh, but even that has been resolved as they have been granted Bangladeshi citizenship.

India had given them the right of return because they were of Indian origin. They had fled your ally India from the states of Bihar and UP. They were not from Punjab, Baluchistan, Sindh or KPK.
Why didn't Bangladesh send them back to the India ? They were only 500,000
After all India is asking Bangladesh to take back 4 million illegal Bangladeshi immigrants ( initially).
If Bangladesh has made illegal "Biharis" their citizens then they should ask Shri Nitish Kumar the Bihar Chief Minister for funds to rehabilitate them instead of keeping them in squalor as otkaphoras. Ask Nitish Kumar for the money not Pakistan, because we can likewise ask money for absorbing your Bengali speaking citizens.

Easing the consular services would rather benefit the Pakistani businesses and students more than the Bangladeshis as Bangladesh is one of the largest export destinations for Pakistan and one of the major host countries for Pakistani students abroad.

Really? Where did you get that data from? What exactly do Pakistan and Bangladesh import and export from each other that they can't do without or can't get from elsewhere? Paan and betel nuts perhaps but Pakistanis can give up this disgusting habit and go less to their dentists.
Major host for Pakistani students?
Where one unfortunate who was stupid enough to study there was forced to shout Joy Bangla and was lynched none the less.
The good part is he was not asked to shout "Jai Shreeram "

In any case, fixing up the diplomatic ties is a good move by both the countries.

Agree. Normal diplomatic ties like we have with Nepal who doesn't curse us unlike their Hindu brethren next door and their Muslim neighbor close by.
Thanks for an interesting viewpoint.
I was going to say Khuda Hafiz ( which is Good bye in Urdu) but will respect your country and end with :
Joy Bangla !

 

[Che palle]

Why closer to China? Why not even more closer to her guru Shri Narendra Modi who made a speech ( un-interpreted and in Hindi) in your Jatiyo Sansad when Sheikh Hasina is ignorant of the language and she along with 90% of the Jatiyo Sansad are fairly familiar with English.
For a country born out of pride in its linguistic identity the submission to linguistic arrogance from the big brother next door is surprising.

He's free to use any language he's comfortable in. And afaik, he's used Hindi in his interactions with other world leaders too

 

[Baibars_1260]

He's free to use any language he's comfortable in. And afaik, he's used Hindi in his interactions with other world leaders too

Absolutely! He is free to rant unheard.,
Since you don't know Bangladesh you should know that you can get lynched in the streets if they hear you talking in any language resembling Urdu and in some ways Hindi often does. But Bangladeshis can't tell the difference just as we can't tell the difference between Byelorussian and Russian. For your education Narendra Modi's mother tongue is Gujarati. In a way it's good he goes blah blah in Sanskrit Hindi mixed with third rate mispronounced English. Half the world in the UN don't even listen to the interpreters and India's own interpreters in Parliament do such a poor job that the lawmakers take off their headphones and hurl it at each other.
Basically whatever he said in the Jatiyo Sansad was read the next day in the official release by the Indian High Commission and the Bangladeshis tuned their TV sets to Doordarshan Bangla in Kolkata to hear the translation ( a summary) .
Being a mono-lingual mono-cultural country sometimes has drawbacks.

 

[KaiserX]

No. The diplomacy is very subtle. There was no communication between these two during any of her visits to Delhi. There have been only brief sporadic "Hi, Hello " phone calls when both heads of state have been in their respective capitals.
The Bangladeshi Prime Minister likes to make news for domestic audience regarding Pakistan like India does, using a diplomatic event to chastise Pakistan.
The Pakistani Ambassador is called in and chastised : " We will never forgive you " . This makes great news.
Diplomatic relations took a severe downturn when Bangladesh approved Indian Air Force air strikes on Balakot as India's "right to self defense". Bangladesh condemned "terrorism from Pakistan" as the Kashmiri resistance intensified and then supported the removal of Art 370, partition of Kashmir and suspension of the provisional government and assembly. This is surprising because in its History Bangladesh had a somewhat similar experience with suspension of an elected government and imposition of martial law. In effect Bangladesh was approving grave human rights violations in its neighborhood and supporting armed aggression on a sovereign nation.
Pakistan surprisingly has kept quiet but its arms sales to Myanmar are a telling reminder of its reaction.

The diplomatic effort is being generated from Bangladesh because there is a risk of suspension of the air corridor in an India Pakistan or even Sino Indian conflict. Bangladeshi planes may need refueling if they make a dog leg diversion over Karachi. Additionally the respective visa officials are sitting in hotels in each of the capital's awaiting acceptance and authorization. The consular staff are hardly issuing any visas which really doesn't matter much to Pakistan but for Bangladesh there is a Bengali speaking community resident in Karachi and other pockets of Pakistan who would like to travel to Bangladesh and whose relatives in Bangladesh would like to travel to Pakistan. This is very low priority for Pakistan.
The long shot benefits Bangladesh wants is the use of Gwadar or Karachi for transshipment of Bangladeshi exports to China with lower costs. This is because the other low cost shipment route would be overland through the Siliguri corridor into Sikkim and into China or through Nepal and into China but India is unlikely to allow that. Bangladesh's relations with Myanmar are not good at the moment. Shipping goods all the way through the Malacca straits and the SCS is extremely expensive. Geo politics has rendered Bangladesh into an island with its only land outlets into India and that too into one point in West Bengal.
Pakistan has 12 crossing points into Afghanistan and Iran and one land crossing point into China. Pakistan's geography is unique because it allows Central Asia an access through two modern ports in the Arabian sea.
An even longer shot requirement from Bangladesh is the purchase of JF-17 fighters because it can't afford more than a few dozen high maintenance Russian planes. China has refused to sell JF-17s directly to Bangladesh without Pakistan's permission. Pakistan is unlikely to sell these planes to Bangladesh as it fears their capabilities will be compromised in leaks to India.

The only thing that will come out ( if at all ) from an improvement of Bangladesh Pakistan diplomatic relations is the easing of the issue of visas which solely favors Bangladesh. See the videos I linked in my previous post on the complaints of Bangladeshi people in Pakistan.
Another significant aspect being discussed at this forum is "people to people contact " and though desirable it has some basic handicaps as I have shown in my posts. It is not a diplomatic issue at the state level neither government is interested in a cultural exchange. Remarkably even as India and Pakistan are officially enemy nations their governments do not discourage or bar informal "people to people" contacts. There is the spectacular case of the Kartarpur corridor and Sikh and Hindu pilgrims into Pakistan and small visits by Pakistani literary groups at Urdu poetry events in India and the bi-annual Book Fair with its single Pakistani book stall. Pakistan and India do have a degraded but still existing cultural affinity which will diminish over time or may miraculously improve if the regime in India changes. From Pakistan's side Muslim religious pilgrimages have stopped as Pakistanis have had a mindset change to look only inwards at their local Sufi shrines. Pakistani Hindus and Sikhs travel to India.
As the Mohajir community in Pakistan ages, dies out and assimilates the need for them to visit India has almost vanished.
So effectively on the visa exchange Pakistan has blunted India's once overwhelming advantage when visas were needed for the Mohajir community. Here Bangladesh comes short. There is no compulsion for religious pilgrimages or literary cultural exchange between Bangladesh and Pakistan. There is no linguistic affinity. Bangladesh would be like Maldives or Nepal to Pakistan.

Let me tell you Bangladesh is more sinister than India. Atleast with India we know that they are our enemy and we know what to expect from them. With Bangladesh they will resort to treachery and backstabbing. What sense does it make calling an Ambassador that you failed to approve for the last few years have him come over and then complain "We will never forget 1971 BLAH BLAH BLAH". Could you every imagine the US state department calling the UK ambassador or Putin calling the German ambassador and complaining "We will never forget the pain of ww2"... NO because that is not how mature leaders or nations act.

The leaders of BD do not realize that in all honesty and respect... 99.9% of Pakistanis do not think nor care about Bangladesh or 1971. It may be hard to believe for a nation whose people have been so brainwashed regarding the unfortunate events on 1971 but it is true any any Pakistani member on this forum. Bengladeshis might hate us and talk 1971 27/7 but no one no one in Pakistan really thinks about Bangladesh (in a good way or bad). The country and people simply have wayyyyy to many worries to think about 50 years ago. When it comes to politics Pakistanis are more interested in Middle east, China, India, Turkey, West... Bangladesh is not even a topic of discussion.

Ive met Bangladeshis in the west whose first talk with me was "So your Pakistani you must hate Bangladesh" to which I was profoundly shocked. Many Bengladeshi immigrants in the west are shocked when they meet a Pakistani and realize all the lies theyve been fed. No Pakistanis do not hate Bangladesh, we wish you the best, but Bangladeshis on the other hand would never wish good for Pakistan.

Pakistan doesnt benefit in any way from having close ties with Bangladesh. Bangladesh is neither a big market for our goods nor a source of investment, BUT Bangladesh has a alot more to gain from Pakistan. Many Pakistanis business people have invested in BD over the last few decades. Abusing Pakistan provides a political boost to AL politicians. Literally the only reason Hasina met the ambassador was to score political points with the BD media, and to show India that they have options.... but thats it.

Sure there is potential...maybe BD can buy JF-17s? maybe cooperation in science/technology/space? but at the end of the day I simply dont see how this will benefit Pakistan? If it could im sure both the govt would have been on good terms by now....

 

[Che palle]

Since you don't know Bangladesh you should know that you can get lynched in the streets if they hear you talking in any language resembling Urdu and in some ways Hindi often does.

Lol no one's gonna lynch you for speaking in Hindi/Urdu here. Look up Indian vlogs in Bangladesh, some of the guys often talk in Hindi with their audiences. No one got beat up for that

 

[ziaulislam]

The tone of this article is hostile to Sheikh Hasina and bad taste. This is supposed to be the most reputed newspaper in Pakistan.

lol wait till you see their tone towards imran khan

english news papers are owned by indians(due to money thrown) or opposition in pakistan

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Lol no one's gonna lynch you for speaking in Hindi/Urdu here. Look up Indian vlogs in Bangladesh, some of the guys often talk in Hindi with their audiences. No one got beat up for that

Why do you bother replying lol ?



No point in educating the Ignorant... We are so violent, we let the Genocidal Biharis up their numbers from few thousands to a million in 50 years.



We hate Urdu so much... We don't provide them with family planning services.

 

[mourning sage]

HEC also announced scholarships for Pakistani students to study at the Dhaka Islamic University. This might have gone unnoticed but this is exactly how soft-relationships are developed. It will happen eventually, we are just seeing the first baby steps.

Pakistan under IK is gradually realising its natural position in the world order. We were always meant to be a global player. The Bhutto's and Sharif's have delayed us, but will never deny us.

 

[KaiserX]

Why do you bother replying lol ?



No point in educating the Ignorant... We are so violent, we let the Genocidal Biharis up their numbers from few thousands to a million in 50 years.



We hate Urdu so much... We don't provide them with family planning services.

HEC also announced scholarships for Pakistani students to study at the Dhaka Islamic University. This might have gone unnoticed but this is exactly how soft-relationships are developed. It will happen eventually, we are just seeing the first baby steps.

Pakistan under IK is gradually realising its natural position in the world order. We were always meant to be a global player. The Bhutto's and Sharif's have delayed us, but will never deny us.

This is nothing extraordinary. People to people contact is a good thing even with an enemy like India. When people meet they realize there is far more in common than what divides us ie family, hobbies, tech, etc...

some of the nicest people I have met were Indian and some of the worst people were Pakistani/bengladeshi. Does not mean you judge the indovidual by the govt

The indian friends I have had knew very well that i was a nationalist pakistani and knew clearly my views on modi and kaashmir yet they were always there for me. Yet ive had Bengali friends completely stop talking to me once we talked politics...0

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Let me tell you Bangladesh is more sinister than India. Atleast with India we know that they are our enemy and we know what to expect from them. With Bangladesh they will resort to treachery and backstabbing. What sense does it make calling an Ambassador that you failed to approve for the last few years have him come over and then complain "We will never forget 1971 BLAH BLAH BLAH". Could you every imagine the US state department calling the UK ambassador or Putin calling the German ambassador and complaining "We will never forget the pain of ww2"... NO because that is not how mature leaders or nations act.

The leaders of BD do not realize that in all honesty and respect... 99.9% of Pakistanis do not think nor care about Bangladesh or 1971. It may be hard to believe for a nation whose people have been so brainwashed regarding the unfortunate events on 1971 but it is true any any Pakistani member on this forum. Bengladeshis might hate us and talk 1971 27/7 but no one no one in Pakistan really thinks about Bangladesh (in a good way or bad). The country and people simply have wayyyyy to many worries to think about 50 years ago. When it comes to politics Pakistanis are more interested in Middle east, China, India, Turkey, West... Bangladesh is not even a topic of discussion.

Ive met Bangladeshis in the west whose first talk with me was "So your Pakistani you must hate Bangladesh" to which I was profoundly shocked. Many Bengladeshi immigrants in the west are shocked when they meet a Pakistani and realize all the lies theyve been fed. No Pakistanis do not hate Bangladesh, we wish you the best, but Bangladeshis on the other hand would never wish good for Pakistan.

Pakistan doesnt benefit in any way from having close ties with Bangladesh. Bangladesh is neither a big market for our goods nor a source of investment, BUT Bangladesh has a alot more to gain from Pakistan. Many Pakistanis business people have invested in BD over the last few decades. Abusing Pakistan provides a political boost to AL politicians. Literally the only reason Hasina met the ambassador was to score political points with the BD media, and to show India that they have options.... but thats it.

Sure there is potential...maybe BD can buy JF-17s? maybe cooperation in science/technology/space? but at the end of the day I simply dont see how this will benefit Pakistan? If it could im sure both the govt would have been on good terms by now....

Hide under your bed, big bad Bengali boogeyman is out for ponjabi blood....



Stabba Stabba Kill Kill




The overcompensation to obfuscate one's own past misgivings is very telling....



Being more subtle with the denial will help you in your quest as a nation to exonerate yourself from something you say is all 'lies'....

You have totally convinved yourselves that you have done nothing wrong and yet you will continue seek exoneration (not from us but from yourself)...



Mind numbing idiocy.





Do you know why you get along with Indians ?

Because you were one people before 47, no amount of temper tantrums and thrashing around will change that.... Maybe the specific ethnicities aren't same but from a normative standpoint you're both two sides of the same artificially constructed coin.


One Hindu, One Muslim.


That's the only difference.


You are exactly that which you seek to distance yourself from.





If you want the truth, then let me give it you :


We are indifferent to the existence of Pakistan, we have no preformed opinion of Pakistanis as individuals, as a nation maybe but as an individual we have no biases.



It matters little to us whether one is Indian or Pakistani or Nepali, we Bengalis keep our head down and get our work done.



If you can't bear Hasina venting every now and then.... Then you're paying way too much attention to what she has to say.



We do not have a Bengali equivalent for Pakistanis and Indians along the lines of 'Kala Bengali' 'Bhuka Bangali' or 'Bhikari Bengali'.....

It's pretty clear which party has preconceived notions about the other... Hint: it's not us.


The first thing out of an Indian's or Pakistan's mouth when they want to offend is either one of those three I've listed above...




Hasina's verbal offensive against Pakistan can leave a bad taste I understand but.... That pales in comparison to the causal racism we have been on the receiving end of since forever.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Let me tell you Bangladesh is more sinister than India. Atleast with India we know that they are our enemy and we know what to expect from them. With Bangladesh they will resort to treachery and backstabbing.

We know what to expect from the regime there. Individuals may be the exception. I do have Bangladeshi friends with whom I interact . No where close to the intellectual level of my Hindu West Bengali social circle but still a hi hello status. There is not much in common ( again individuals excepted) between me as a Pakistani and the general Bangladeshi . Culturally , I identify more with a Punjabi Hindu in Delhi or a Kyaastha, Brahmin or Rajput from UP. Intellectually and on education cultural tolerance and inclusion I find West Bengali upper caste Hindus very interesting. I can discuss Marx and Tagore both with them.

What sense does it make calling an Ambassador that you failed to approve for the last few years have him come over and then complain "We will never forget 1971 BLAH BLAH BLAH". Could you every imagine the US state department calling the UK ambassador or Putin calling the German ambassador and complaining "We will never forget the pain of ww2"... NO because that is not how mature leaders or nations act.

The leaders of BD do not realize that in all honesty and respect... 99.9% of Pakistanis do not think nor care about Bangladesh or 1971. It may be hard to believe for a nation whose people have been so brainwashed regarding the unfortunate events on 1971 but it is true any any Pakistani member on this forum. Bengladeshis might hate us and talk 1971 27/7 but no one no one in Pakistan really thinks about Bangladesh (in a good way or bad). The country and people simply have wayyyyy to many worries to think about 50 years ago. When it comes to politics Pakistanis are more interested in Middle east, China, India, Turkey, West... Bangladesh is not even a topic of discussion.

The regime is different so Pakistan should give it the India treatment and withdraw the Ambassador and close the single Biman flight to London. Again with no malice to the people of Bangladesh

Ive met Bangladeshis in the west whose first talk with me was "So your Pakistani you must hate Bangladesh" to which I was profoundly shocked. Many Bengladeshi immigrants in the west are shocked when they meet a Pakistani and realize all the lies theyve been fed. No Pakistanis do not hate Bangladesh, we wish you the best, but Bangladeshis on the other hand would never wish good for Pakistan.

If you must interact with diaspora from the sub-continent try interacting with West Bengali Hindus or Hindus from the state of Tripura. You will get an entirely different perspective of the Bengali language and culture. Avoid Bangladeshis if your first encounter
is negative. You have no reason to be apologetic or embarrassed by what happened in 1971. In religious and communal frenzy the Bangladeshis slaughtered a good many Chakmas and Hindus. Here is a beautiful film English subtitled made by Bangladeshis who acknowledged the religious cleansing and how the Bangladeshi Muslim identity was forged. They acknowledge the killings but are not embarrassed by it . Which is why they hounded out Tasleema Nasreen who is the most virulent anti-Muslim on the planet such that even her West Bengali RSS friends are embarrassed.
Watch the documentary.
Its a long and meandering documentary but watch it in stages.

Pakistan doesnt benefit in any way from having close ties with Bangladesh. Bangladesh is neither a big market for our goods nor a source of investment, BUT Bangladesh has a alot more to gain from Pakistan. Many Pakistanis business people have invested in BD over the last few decades.

I don't know of any significant Pakistani investments in Bangladesh and even if it is so why doesn't Bangladesh return the favor . Those Pakistanis who have invested in Bangladesh may find out they have made a serious mistake.

Abusing Pakistan provides a political boost to AL politicians. Literally the only reason Hasina met the ambassador was to score political points with the BD media, and to show India that they have options.... but thats it

Of course ! The question is why don't Pakistani's demonstrate outside the Bangladeshi embassy and show them the finger. We are very reactive to a Quran burning event or an abuse of the Prophet ( S.A.W.) but shouldn't we be as reactive to insults to out nation and people? What do we really get from Bangladesh? They are not the generation that founded East Pakistan and never will be . What are Pakistan's expectations? Why don't we at least write letters to our MNA and Senators in the National assembly and

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Lol no one's gonna lynch you for speaking in Hindi/Urdu here. Look up Indian vlogs in Bangladesh, some of the guys often talk in Hindi with their audiences. No one got beat up for that

Really. Beg to differ. I have been to Bangladesh on work assignments so I know better. I speak a little Kolkata style small talk Bengali myself. When I would be talking on the phone someone would approach me . "Urdu kotha keno bolchen, Bonga kotha bolen "
Do Indian vlogs count? That could be a voice over. The Indians probably wear their tilak on their foreheads and red string around their wrists to announce their identity as boro bhai instead of shala Pakposhu.

Sure there is potential...maybe BD can buy JF-17s? maybe cooperation in science/technology/space? but at the end of the day I simply dont see how this will benefit Pakistan? If it could im sure both the govt would have been on good terms by now....

It doesn't benefit Pakistan. Pakistan is neither selling nor is Bangladesh buying JF 17 fighters. If Pakistan gets J-10s then Bangladesh will not be getting J-10s ( or at least the same version) because the boro bhai would like to know more about the plane .
Cooperation in aerospace technology ? What cooperation?
With boro bhai looking over the shoulder?
Bangladesh and Pakistan don't even have a baseline cultural exchange.
We have ( or used to have) Indian guests packing a Mehdi Hasan concert and Pakistanis would attend a Jagjit Singh comcert . At a Jashn-e-Rekhta Urdu festival in Delhi there was a small Pakistani delegation as late as 2017under the Modi regime. There are no Pakistani s ( even those who speak Bengali) who care to attend a Nazrul Islam anniversary celebration in Dhaka and Bangladeshis don't know or care who Arif Lohar is .
The cultural, linguistic , geographical divide is complete. There are dreamers on both sides who think of reversing the tide of change. Shehnaz Rahmatullah sang " Sohni Dharti Allah Rakhe Qadam Qadam abaad " and Hasan Jehangir sang
"Tumhi se aye Mujahidon " but those days are gone.
It is not that Bengalis as a people are non-inclusive or fanatical. Across the border in West Bengal Urdu is taught at the primary level and Urdu is a subject one can study right through college up to PhD.
Both languages exist comfortably side by side with Kolkata publishing at least 3 Urdu dailies. There is no hostility between the languages or the people who speak them and urban West Bengalis are bilingual.
So far the state under decades of secular Marxist and Congress rule has fought communal fascism. The current provincial Chief Minister under heavy assault from her fascist Federal government is fighting tooth and nail for the true spirit of Bengal. A spirit of inclusion and tolerance. This Bengali spirit is under attack not only from forces within India but from Bangladesh itself whose leaders align themselves with the fascist forces against their own Bengali speaking cousins. We hope Mamta Bannerjee holds her place but she is weakened and it is only a matter of time before the saffron flag flies high over Bengal.

Hopefully there will always be a Bengal,
There will be always be a Bangladesh
The two are different

 

[Che palle]

Really. Beg to differ. I have been to Bangladesh on work assignments so I know better. I speak a little Kolkata style small talk Bengali myself. When I would be talking on the phone someone would approach me . "Urdu kotha keno bolchen, Bonga kotha bolen "
Do Indian vlogs count? That could be a voice over. The Indians probably wear their tilak on their foreheads and red string around their wrists to announce their identity as boro bhai instead of shala Pakposhu.

No way in hell you are Pakistani, dude. Piss off

Ghoti pola Pak sajche

 

[KaiserX]

Hide under your bed, big bad Bengali boogeyman is out for ponjabi blood....



Stabba Stabba Kill Kill




The overcompensation to obfuscate one's own past misgivings is very telling....



Being more subtle with the denial will help you in your quest as a nation to exonerate yourself from something you say is all 'lies'....

You have totally convinved yourselves that you have done nothing wrong and yet you will continue seek exoneration (not from us but from yourself)...



Mind numbing idiocy.





Do you know why you get along with Indians ?

Because you were one people before 47, no amount of temper tantrums and thrashing around will change that.... Maybe the specific ethnicities aren't same but from a normative standpoint you're both two sides of the same artificially constructed coin.


One Hindu, One Muslim.


That's the only difference.


You are exactly that which you seek to distance yourself from.





If you want the truth, then let me give it you :


We are indifferent to the existence of Pakistan, we have no preformed opinion of Pakistanis as individuals, as a nation maybe but as an individual we have no biases.



It matters little to us whether one is Indian or Pakistani or Nepali, we Bengalis keep our head down and get our work done.



If you can't bear Hasina venting every now and then.... Then you're paying way too much attention to what she has to say.



We do not have a Bengali equivalent for Pakistanis and Indians along the lines of 'Kala Bengali' 'Bhuka Bangali' or 'Bhikari Bengali'.....

It's pretty clear which party has preconceived notions about the other... Hint: it's not us.


The first thing out of an Indian's or Pakistan's mouth when they want to offend is either one of those three I've listed above...




Hasina's verbal offensive against Pakistan can leave a bad taste I understand but.... That pales in comparison to the causal racism we have been on the receiving end of since forever.

Thats exactly what ive been saying...doesnt matter if your Pakistani, Indian, Bengali on individual level there is good and bad even if some individuals in govt is bad and everyone has their own political opinions. People to people contact is always good regardless of political views one must learn to live in existence of different of opinions... part of life.

Pakistan/India where very different today and even before 1947. Ethnically and linguistically we are only close to northern Indian ethnic groups like punjabis/kashmiris. Pakistan prob has more in common with bangladesh than 90% of India.

The art of diplomacy is not like this forum, there are certain protocols. You dont refuse and countries ambassador for a decade and then invite him over for a meeting like this. That doesnt benefit Bangladesh nor Pakistan it only benefits 1 country which we know who it is.

Mob and revenge politics can only be short lived

 

[Baibars_1260]

Hide under your bed, big bad Bengali boogeyman is out for ponjabi blood....

Punjabi blood?
A lot of that was spilled in 1947 to create that little pocket of land you now call Bangladesh and a lot more was spilled in 1965 to prevent your pocket from being overrun by keeping the aggressor occupied in the west. I guess 1971was different. If you want more Punjabi blood come and get it.

Stabba Stabba Kill Kill

Learn from your counterparts across the border and say Om
Shanti

The overcompensation to obfuscate one's own past misgivings is very telling....

Yes, which is obvious in the delusion of identity whether a Bangladeshi is the same as Bengali and vice versa.

Being more subtle with the denial will help you in your quest as a nation to exonerate yourself from something you say is all 'lies'....

Depends on whom you ask .
The lie is that Bangladeshis are Bengalis .
The truth is that Bangladeshis are Musolmani Bangalis.

You have totally convinved yourselves that you have done nothing wrong and yet you will continue seek exoneration (not from us but from yourself)...

Exactly what Tasleema Nasreen says about her country men.
Which is why you have nearly wiped out the Chakma from the CHT and hounded millions of Hindus into India.

Mind numbing idiocy.

Exactly what Tasleema Nasreen says!

Do you know why you get along with Indians ?
Because you were one people before 47, no amount of temper tantrums and thrashing around will change that.... Maybe the specific ethnicities aren't same but from a normative standpoint you're both two sides of the same artificially constructed coin.

Yes, we were one people and unfortunately religious bigotry fostered initially by British Imperialism went out of control and our survival was threatened. This despite a bitter fight from the progressive forces on both sides.
Our progressives and secularists of Muslim origin realized that survival was more important than pursuing a dream so partition was the answer. Once the religious divisions were no longer a factor a modern secular westernized state would be founded with social justice and equality and abolition of the feudal state. The Indian secular progressives never gave up and continued to fight for inclusion and diversity. As predicted by us they have lost the battle. We weep for them.
Now we are concentrating on making Pakistan an inclusive democratic and culturally vibrant state. A robust defense to shield us from our enemies is vital, We have the power to inflict the ultimate destruction on those who wish to destroy us .

One Hindu, One Muslim.
That's the only difference.

Exactly, you got the point. We eat roughly the same food, speak roughly the same language . We just don't worship the same way.
With Bangladesh it is the opposite. You can't make me wear a lungi to please you and I hate sutki fish. It stinks! Yes, we do practice the same faith but so do thousands of different tribes and peoples in the world like the Moplahs of Kerala.
Why should I treat you any different. You have my good will and full respects but no reverence. You are human like us not inferior or superior,

You are exactly that which you seek to distance yourself from.

Am trying to distance myself from Bangladeshis . Not in a physical sense but realistically acknowledging the differences and one similarity. But I am not a Bangladeshi but a Pakistani.

If you want the truth, then let me give it you :We are indifferent to the existence of Pakistan, we have no preformed opinion of Pakistanis as individuals, as a nation maybe but as an individual we have no biases.

Good to know. We Pakistanis are exactly indifferent to Bangladesh but our leaders don't curse Bangladesh in front of the whole world. So there is a difference in the kind of "indifference "

It matters little to us whether one is Indian or Pakistani or Nepali, we Bengalis keep our head down and get our work done.

Will remember that next time I see the viral video of a 20 year visiting Pakistani student being lynched while being asked to shout Joy Bangla - a slogan that was shouted 30 years before he was born.

If you can't bear Hasina venting every now and then.... Then you're paying way too much attention to what she has to say.

Oh she is not that bad . She only calls us Pakposhu but her boro bhais call us mleches and sullas .
So no we don't mind, We are entirely occupied with dealing with your boro bhai who are killing our brethren in Kashmir.
Sheikh Hasina figures very low on our priorities.

We do not have a Bengali equivalent for Pakistanis and Indians along the lines of 'Kala Bengali' 'Bhuka Bangali' or 'Bhikari Bengali'.....

I could list a whole page here of Bengali epithets for Pakistanis .
The moderators will not allow the videos I want to up load .
However the gentler ones (suitably censored) are:
P_ki-Har_mi, Suerer baacha ,
Go_d h marani Pakimanush, Bokach_da Pakikukur.

It's pretty clear which party has preconceived notions about the other... Hint: it's not us.

Nope, its not you, Your notions are not preconceived they are well founded on the "reality" you accept. We lost to you in the gaali competition like we lost in every thing.

The first thing out of an Indian's or Pakistan's mouth when they want to offend is either one of those three I've listed above...

The bhadralok Bengali Indians I know say something else about Bangladeshis but I won't repeat it here so you are wrong on that one. But they are the ones who have to live next to you. We don't have to live with you so we have stopped thinking or describing you. But you continue to describe Pakistanis with the words I just wrote above and these are the milder ones.

Hasina's verbal offensive against Pakistan can leave a bad taste I understand but.... That pales in comparison to the causal racism we have been on the receiving end of since forever.

Yes, I agree, her verbal offensive pales in comparison to the abusive Muktijoddha marching songs abuse on the internet ( Pak poshuder martey hobe..). the milder one, Her verbal rants pale in comparison to the abuse hurled at us by your RSS VHP boro bhais across the border.