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Has the army learned its lesson?

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Isn't Elmo furry? That seems to be just a simple red T-shirt.

Now can we please remain on topic. Thanks.



Topic is dead as most Pakistanis are not willing to see or listen any thing negative about pak army.
 
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Katy Perry. Actually that DP is a GIF file. ;)

Now can we PLEASE get back on topic?
well do you think after looking at those assets a "shaihsta" person can remain "on topick":azn:

Please dont report me :D
any way to be on topic well PA knows what they are doing and they are doing it for there ( personal) interets thatn anything else i know its a bitter pill to swaollow but PA has not and will not relent on there this poilicy and have not learned there so callled "lessons"
:cheers:
 
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Topic is dead as most Pakistanis are not willing to see or listen any thing negative about pak army.

There are plenty of Pakistanis who are able to assess multiple facets of the questions posed in this thread about the Army. It is not a binary "like or dislike" proposition for most.

When the Army does its duties, everybody supports it. When it extends itself into areas extra-Constitutionally is where the problems start.
 
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There are plenty of Pakistanis who are able to assess multiple facets of the questions posed in this thread about the Army. It is not a binary "like or dislike" proposition for most.

When the Army does its duties, everybody supports it. When it extends itself into areas extra-Constitutionally is where the problems start.
well lets put it this way "you can take a horse to a water hole but cannot make it drink" could you :azn:...:cheers:

Jaldi jaldi shadi Bannao phir bhabhi app ke dill or demaag ko thik kar lai gee.
well bhai jaan meri shadi to 2001 me hi ho gayee thi ab to do calaendar bhi chap chukke hain jo straw lagaake khoon peete hain :rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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There are plenty of Pakistanis who are able to assess multiple facets of the questions posed in this thread about the Army. It is not a binary "like or dislike" proposition for most.

When the Army does its duties, everybody supports it. When it extends itself into areas extra-Constitutionally is where the problems start.

I agree with you.
 
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We do have a large history of coups. but some of them were necessary i think. Politicians are temporary for their nation. but a nation's armed forces is the permament, lasting protector of a nation...for the threats coming from outside as well as from inside such as some corrupted politicians
 
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These seem to still exist, and as such only play to the majority communal audience. But the best way to ignore them is to embrace every part of Indian history.. and that starts from the IVC.. to the Tughlaks.. and all the way to the mem sahibs and laad saabs... It is only in that context can this still existant demon of clashing identity narratives be solved forever.

Pakistan could have easily celebrated Sher Shah Suri or Allaudin Khilji for that matter.. the Turks celebrate their conquerors and ensure that the best of the ottoman caliphate is remembered. Yet, the ottomans are celebrated as Turks and not as glorious Muslim warriors.

Is there a Freudian slip here? I believe it should be "...the communal audience among the majority community."

i don't really give explainations to people ordinarily on any case whatsoever , but still i'm giving you this favour because you are supposed to be a guest from india on Pakistan Defence forum ; since you seem to be a reasonable person so just for the sake of you getting relaxed on my words (i.e."you people") i tell you that by saying "You people" what i meant was all the people in the world who dislike , hate , malighn , defame & call names to Zaid Hamid ... :pakistan:

Any particular reason why you think VCheng is a guest from India on PDF? Are you familiar with his interactions and general attitudes and views, have you read his earlier posts?
 
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1. Zarvan, bhai please - logon kay sath narmi ikhtiar karo. Everything is not a matter of life and death, right and wrong, black and white.

2. Liberal dumbos are not always busy chugging Alcohol. Sometimes they say things that need to be thought over. Do not be dismissive like this.

3. Hadith ka mafhoom: 'Watan ki muhabbat Iman mein sey hai'. You can not dismiss geographical context of nationhood. Pakistan is the country of Indus, geographically speaking. No one should need to say anything otherwise. Pakistan exists on the ground, not up in the air. It is no accident that Muslims outnumbered others in this geographical entity. For this fact we need not look to Iqbal or worry about indoctrination. We are here. We are here to stay. That is enough. No need to be insecure and act reactionary.



There is no fake identity as such. Our identity, our social evolution, our baggage , and our destiny does not point east or west. It rests securely on this land. We accept and exhibit influences around us and that is just natural. If some people like to act as Arabs, let them. If some people emphasize our cultural background from our immediate West, I see nothing wrong with that either. We are part of South Asia, but we are open to multiple influences just by the virtue of being in the most diverse part of South Asia.

There is a consistent and determined effort by some (not you) to point at Arab influence as though it is a disease. That it is not. It is only natural just because of circumstances.

I like your posts, although I disagree with much of their content, often. It is interesting to read the cut and thrust, and parry of your posts, with those of @CaptPopeye and @Oscar, and some of the others.

It isn't a good idea to give Pakistan a geographical locus, because that diverts the argument into a rut.
 
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I don't understand,how can modern people pay attention to these self proclaimed religious figures.He should be arrested for treason.
If this punk said this comment in india,media would tear him a new arsehole.He would possibly be lynched.
 
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I don't understand,how can modern people pay attention to these self proclaimed religious figures.He should be arrested for treason.
If this punk said this comment in india,media would tear him a new arsehole.He would possibly be lynched.
He would translate to a member of shiv sena saying secular indian forces are not real indians but only extremist hindus are.
 
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