Has pakistan made a mistake by retaliating?

[masterchief_mirza]

Assam cared little for Pakistan, but you are making it sure that we do.

And there you have it. Axomiyora has explained the problem with India perfectly, far better than any Pakistani could. It is a falsely balkanised decentralised pseudostate which was never meant to be unified. It is the ultimate multicultural, multilingual, multiethnic experiment gone wrong...

The British and the Mughals just about held this false concept "India" together. In reality, without strong arm leadership it will go the way of Yugoslavia or USSR. There is no unity amongst its peoples.... Witness how tribalism flares up immediately at the thought of interstate migration, ethnic migration, or religious community migration; such migration within India of its various communities regularly causes violence, death and riots.

And where does Pakistan sit in this particularly unbalanced equation? The perennial bogeyman that all pseudo democracies need to hold themselves together when in reality it is tearing itself apart at the seams. The ethnicities hate each other. The religions hate each other. The castes.....Don't get me started on the friggin castes. The Brahmins will never give up their power and the rest of them will never fight for their rights against the Brahmins because they are constantly told Pakistan is their enemy. What a sad state of affairs it is. The failure of the world's most populous multicultural experiment gone wrong is steadily creeping towards its natural fruition. Pakistan is the only thing left that holds India together. Just let that sink in.

 

[namefield_empty]

. It is a falsely balkanised decentralised pseudostate which was never meant to be unified. It is the ultimate multicultural, multilingual, multiethnic experiment gone wrong...

Yet here we are with a multitude of cultures and languages striking together a common chord. Must seem like a dream for Pakistan struggling to come in terms with its four states even though under the umbrella of a supposedly unifying force in Islam.

 

[El Sidd]

Has Pakistan made a mistake by retaliating and downing an Indian fighter jet and parading and humiliating the pilot in front of the whole world? Can they afford a wounded and a humiliated enemy who is 7 times their size snd especially at a time when pakistan is going through such a severe economic crisis?
Indian govt wanted to calm the people down after the pulwama attack and they sketched a plan wherein there wont be any loss of life on pakistani side but would make people here in india believe that they had taken revenge on terrorists.
I heard Imran khan later saying on TV that he told the chief of army that they were not going to retaliate as there was no loss of life...what had changed suddenly for him to give his consent for an attack?
I personally believe Pakistan made a mistake by humiliating India in such a way at this moment given what it is going through...they should have simply denied any attack happening and taken the media to the spot and shown the reality...Thinking indians and the world would have any bought the real story.

Pakistan should declare war on india

 

[namefield_empty]

The ethnicities hate each other.

We take pride in our diversity. Our Indianness binds us together. Take a look at Myanmar, a part of British India till 1935. Myanmar has fewer tribes than my state Assam, let alone the entire North East India. Yet they cannot peacefully co exist. Pakistanis could never grasp the idea of India, if they could it wouldn't be in a mess it finds itself in.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Yet here we are with a multitude of cultures and languages striking together a common chord. Must seem like a dream for Pakistan struggling to come in terms with its four states even though under the umbrella of a supposes unifying force in Islam.

But your only common chord is misdirected anger and persecutory delusions about Pakistan. Without this bogeyman that has been implanted into your collective dalitified psyche you would realise you don't want anything to do with kashmiri Pandits or Gujarati Brahmins. Abhinandan is just a posterboy for the rest of you: just pawns in the Machiavellian designs of a few RSS elites. Western nations, modern China and even Pakistan at the very least do not exclude the vast majority of their populations from advancing themselves if they work hard enough and so wish to. In India unless you are Brahmin or lick the boots of some important Brahmins, you have little chance. This is how all these nations fundamentally differ from hindustani India. Sure there are issues with minorities everywhere but because of its tribal caste-dependent nature, India would collapse within years under the burden of increasing population and internal economic migration resulting in violent riots over resources - but note that the riots always assume a tribalistic or ethnic or caste-related flavour even though they are simply a fight for resources and economic opportunity. Your multicultural dream is just that....a dream. It cannot be sustained by Hindu Brahmins unless they can constantly create an "enemy" in Pakistan to falsely unite the clans.

 

[namefield_empty]

But your only common chord is misdirected anger and persecutory delusions about Pakistan. Without this bogeyman

Pakistan is not even the topic of discourse for us in many parts of India. It is in your convoluted postulates that threatens your existence.

you don't want anything to do with kashmiri Pandits or Gujarati Brahmins.

We do, for a Brahmin, a Shudra, a Christian or a Buddhist as long as he is an Indian citizen he is our concern.

In India unless you are Brahmin or lick the boots of some important Brahmins, you have little chance

Go peddle your lies elsewhere, this assertion is downright laughable.

Sure there are issues with minorities everywhere but because of its tribal caste-dependent nature,

Holds true for Pakistan, surprising for a nation state founded on the edifice of an egalitarian! concept.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

We do, for a Brahmin, a Shudra, a Christian or a Buddhist as long as he is an Indian citizen he is our concern.

If Pakistan has supposedly attacked one of them you will care. But if they migrate to Assam looking for jobs you will stop caring... This is what Hindutva has done to india.

 

[namefield_empty]

If Pakistan has supposedly attacked one of them you will care. But if they migrate to Assam looking for jobs you will stop caring... This is what Hindutva has done to india.

We in Assam host those from Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Haryana and Punjab as our own. Bengalis are a large minority in our state. Our state poet, Rupkonwar, is a Marwari-- Jyoti Prasad Agarwala. India is a melting pot of various ethnicities, cultures and languages. You can only envy us.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Pakistan is not even the topic of discourse for us in many parts of India. It is in your convuloted postulates that threatens your existence.

Precisely, Pakistan should not be relevant to most of you. Most of India should be different nations looking after their own local interests. Why do assamese give a flying crap about Kashmiri status? And yet you have to care because Hindutva told you it matters. Any objective assessment of Kashmir's history will conclude that the instrument of accession went against popular will of its inhabitants and a future mired in conflict with the Indian state was therefore assured. Pakistan made a point of highlighting this political failure since its inception. So unlink your mind from hindutva and simply decide for yourself if, as an assamese, you really should be holding the kashmiri state in shackles against the will of its people.

We in Assam host those from Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Haryana and Punjab as our own. Bengalis are a large minority in our state. Our state poet, Rupkonwar, is a Marwari-- Jyoti Prasad Agarwala. India is a melting pot of various ethnicities, cultures and languages. You can only envy us.

The riots are often against Muslims regardless of ethnicity. But at times they are also over migrants, regardless of religion. If it were such a melting pot, barring the exceptions that prove the rule, there wouldn't be riots and communal tensions every other week. Need we discuss the citizenship bill amendment as a case in point?

 

[namefield_empty]

Most of India should be different nations looking after their own local interests. Why do assamese give a flying crap about Kashmiri status?

And why should we not? Thinking about our local interests don't mean that we forego our national ones. Why would a Pakistani care about an Uighur or Palestinian, because it identifies himself with a cause. Similarly, what transpires in Kashmir is very much of a concern to us being Indians.

Any objective assessment of Kashmir's history will conclude that the instrument of accession went against popular will of its inhabitants and a future mired in conflict with the Indian state was therefore assured.

Instrument of Accession is a wilfully signed document when the populace of Kashmir came under indiscriminate attack from the Pakistani militia and tribesmen. It is the umbilical cord of Kashmir's union with India. Too bad we couldn't get the Merger document signed.

Need we discuss the citizenship bill amendment as a case in point?

That is against the illegal immigrants from a neighbouring country, not our own citizens.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

That is against the illegal immigrants from a neighbouring country, not our own citizens.

Hang on we aren't talking about some Afghan who jumped onto a truck in Calais last week. Assam is agitating against Muslims who have lived there for generations. You are taking a leaf out of Myanmar's book. But moreover, Assam agitated, rightly or wrongly, against non-Muslim refugees also. The point is that it is certainly no melting pot. It is rather insular as a state. Nothing wrong with that.... But please don't pretend to be multicultural humanists when you are a mini-Trumpistan.

Instrument of Accession is a wilfully signed document when the populace of Kashmir came under indiscriminate attack from the Pakistani militia and tribesmen. It is the umbilical cord of Kashmir's union with India.

That just made me laugh. No need to reply.

 

[namefield_empty]

Assam is agitating against Muslims who have lived there for generations.

Need i again remind you that of all states in India, Assam has the fastest growing Muslim population. So much for your uninformed diatribe..

You are taking a leaf out of Myanmar's book.

Perhaps you need a lesson on how to treat your minorities well. Needn't get into that all so familiar long drawn debate.

That just made me laugh. No need to reply.

Laugh all you may, Pakistan has no locus standi to redress the Kashmir issue. We will deal with Kashmir in-house.

 

[El Sidd]

Need i again remind you that of all states in India, Assam has the fastest growing Muslim population. So much for your uninformed diatribe..

Perhaps you need a lesson on how to treat your minorities well. Needn't get into that all so familiar long drawn debate.

Laugh all you may, Pakistan has no locus standi to redress the Kashmir issue. We will deal with Kashmir in-house.

lets go to war

 

[namefield_empty]

Hi,

For you Assam is big---but for Mughal conquerers--Assam was nothing---just a region on the out post on the boundaries---.

Babur---after losing kingdom of Farghana---wanted a kingdom of his own---. He found his sultanate in Dehli---. They expanded---they shrunk.

Assam was like a speck of fly sh-it on the window glass---.

Hello,

Please don't count sour grapes, not amongst the proudest moments were those losses. As i have already mentioned, countless attempts were made only to be brutally repulsed each time.

Regards.

lets go to war

Nah, let's die in peace(or pieces!).

 

[El Sidd]

Nah, let's die in peace(or pieces!).

you will keep dancing to different tunes.

its better to go to war for kashmir then to waste another generation of kashmiris.

there is no other solution