What's new

Has our media redeemed itself?

Awesome

RETIRED MOD
Joined
Mar 24, 2006
Messages
22,023
Reaction score
5
Seriously I've been watching all the channels since the Mumbai thing happened. They aren't looking like the anarchists that we had been accustomed to watch. They really held Pakistan's back and really leveled out the pressure being meted out by India.

I think they are a major player in the current backtracking being seen by India about the lack of evidence they have against Pakistan.

The other factor is the shocking disunity amongst Indians that they have displayed. Right from the moment when Advani and MMS couldn't come to Mumbai together to all the infighting, resignations, total bickering that is going on, all are very unexpected features being seen from India. They have kept this illusion (if not a facade) of unity.

On the flipside the resounding unanimous support by otherwise rival parties in the National Security Council of Pakistan given to the ruling government on the way Pak is handling with India was a complete contrast. People who term us a "failed state" with resounding glee would do well to remember these things about Pakistan.

The media has been slowly reshaping the Pakistani dynamics. I think the financial crisis has really knocked some senses into all players within Pakistan. They know its a do or die type of situation. A scenario where most Pakistanis have learned to excel at.
 
.
sir i think by the look of it, it seems that our media has come a long way and is matured enough to take the responsibility unlike indian media who have shown quite a lot of immaturity and above all they tried to drag their country to a war with pakistan.

these are my views!!!
 
.
Pakistani media has outdone itself in terms of its obdurate denial of reality.

Atleast the worst of the Indian media channels base their reporting on some sort of concrete information. The most "respected" of Pakistani channels are busy inventing frivolous theories which remind me of these internet 9/11 conspiracy buffs.

The worst of Pakistani media is a national embarrassment to Pakistan, and also kinda dangerous for Pakistani society. People like Zaid Hamid belong to the ranks of conspiracy loonies, not credible television reporters.
 
.
Yo.. I read the crap about Hindu zionist Israeli US nexus against Pakistan only in Forums, where wild eyed forummers post such news. If a news channel is going to take up a stance and put it on prime time, I am sure they dont have the moral stand to talk against Indian media, which was merely reflecting the people's sentiment after such a ghastly attack..
 
.
Actually Indian media is not much better either
have a look at this
Barkha Dutt and NDTV is a terrorist's DREAM COME TRUE!! They must really love having Barkha Dutt cover every strike they do.. hoping that she will help them by facilitating more KILLINGS and slayings. She has ABSOLUTELY NO journalistic ethics or common sense. There are others on that channel like Sagarika... who is another joker! But here are two actions and indiscretions that could have (WOULD have!!) put many lives in GRAVE danger during the height of Mumbai carnage and hostage drama.. I am sure ONE of the special preparation by the terrorists have been subscription to NDTV's live news coverage.. maybe they their masters have been running a live audio cast on the satellite phone for them from Pakistan or something!!

- In one instance she asks a husband about his wife being stuck, or held as a hostage. The poor guy adds in the end about where she was last hiding. Aired! My dear friends with AK-47s, our national news is helping you. Go get those still in. And be sure to thank NDTV for not censoring this bit of information.

- In another instance, a General sort of suggests that there were no hostages in Oberoi Trident. (Clever.) Then, our herione of revelations calls the head of Oberoi, and the idiot confirms a possibility of 100 or more people still in the building. Hello! Guys with guns, you’ve got more goats to slay. But before you do, you’ve got to love NDTV and more precisely Ms. Dutt. She’s your official intelligence from Ground zero
Ref URL: Barkha Dutt and NDTV: A Terrorist's DREAM COME TRUE | Drishtikone
 
.
Pakistani media has outdone itself in terms of its obdurate denial of reality.

Atleast the worst of the Indian media channels base their reporting on some sort of concrete information. The most "respected" of Pakistani channels are busy inventing frivolous theories which remind me of these internet 9/11 conspiracy buffs.

The worst of Pakistani media is a national embarrassment to Pakistan, and also kinda dangerous for Pakistani society. People like Zaid Hamid belong to the ranks of conspiracy loonies, not credible television reporters.

For you may be. But he has credible knowledge and know things inside out. Some of the things which might be conspiracy theory for you guys as many of you are so ill-informed that you have to stick with Bollywood drama bazi news reporters like Headlines Today. Even the Indians came today on ARY pleading how bias and ill-informed these news media is that they shouldn't be taken as the whole Indian media in an outcry.
 
.
sir i think by the look of it, it seems that our media has come a long way and is matured enough to take the responsibility unlike indian media who have shown quite a lot of immaturity and above all they tried to drag their country to a war with pakistan.

these are my views!!!

I agree. Even the foreign minister said that they have done an incredible job.
 
.
For you may be. But he has credible knowledge and know things inside out.

All he has is a polar worldview and a wild imagination.

Trust me, if he continues to influence Pakistanis, you guys are going to pay a heavy price.
 
.
All he has is a polar worldview and a wild imagination.

Trust me, if he continues to influence Pakistanis, you guys are going to pay a heavy price.

Some of it is quite true. Not all. He was only trying to fire up some people like the Indian masala news. You seen it because it was worst.
 
.
For you may be. But he has credible knowledge and know things inside out. Some of the things which might be conspiracy theory for you guys as many of you are so ill-informed that you have to stick with Bollywood drama bazi news reporters like Headlines Today. Even the Indians came today on ARY pleading how bias and ill-informed these news media is that they shouldn't be taken as the whole Indian media in an outcry.
I don't understand how credible knowledge can make him talk like this
Conspiracy theories is one thing but utter stupidity is antother
take a look at what he has told in the past
1.We should reject Commonwealth and treat it with as much contempt as it treats us. After all we don't need any of these bodies for our economic strength".
2."We have China as our friend, we lead the Muslim world who will come to our rescue always and help us economically".
 
.
Trust me, if he continues to influence Pakistanis, you guys are going to pay a heavy price.

So will you if you heed your media's persistent warmongering.
 
.
So will you if you heed your media's persistent warmongering.


In India, decsions relating to foreign policy , def & democracy / constitution related issues are consistent, with or without the media.

The media is only an adjunct .
 
.
a war with pakistan.

hm did they say we want war war war .They only showed what they got from police sources .Did your media showed what they got from police or govt instead they built their own conspiracies theories ,just like one of your channel also said that 9/11 was also done by US themselves .
 
.
The media is only an adjunct .

You claim to be a democracy don't you? So what I said is perfectly logical unless you suggest that trends in the general population have no absolutely no bearing on India's external policy.
 
.
Came across a poignant article about the media in today's The News. It is copied below for the benefit of Hon Members. I dont know of any other who has so succinctly described the situation. This is what I call honest journalism.



Mumbai and the media war



Thursday, December 04, 2008
Foqia Sadiq Khan

The Indian as well as the Pakistani media, particularly the electronic one, has been extremely irresponsible in its coverage of the Mumbai carnage. India and Pakistan have dozens of electronic media channels but they seem, by and large, to lack the responsibility that comes with running such channels at times of crisis.

It was distasteful to see the Indian media and officials implicate Pakistan even before the operation to flush out militants was completed. It was equally distasteful to see the Pakistani electronic media raise emotions against India, rather than showing solidarity at such an hour of crisis.

It seems both India and Pakistan are living in denial of their deeds. India seems to be in denial of its treatment of its minorities, particularly the over 150 million Muslims who live in extreme poverty and deprivation. India also seems to be in denial over its role in suppressing the struggle for independence in Kashmir. As William Dalrymple noted in an article in The Guardian on Nov 30: "If Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is the most emotive issue for Muslims in the Middle East, then India's treatment of the people of Kashmir plays a similar role among South Asian Muslims."

Pakistan seems to be in denial that it has become a hotbed of terrorists from all over the world and that terrorist acts all over the world often have links to outfits in Pakistan. Whether it is the July 7, 2005, bombings in London or the attack on commuter trains in Spain, there is always some kind of connection to Pakistani actors and/or groups. The mastermind behind a plane to bomb trans-Atlantic flights through the use of liquid bombs in 2006, Rashid Rauf, was also allegedly killed in a US drone attack a few weeks ago in Bannu. Pakistan seems to have become a safe haven for terrorist who kill innocent people mostly in Pakistan but also in the rest of the world. This grave realisation was completely missing in any analysis by the electronic media in Pakistan.

Sure, the US has a role to play in all of this. Had America not imposed its proxy war on Pakistan from 1979 onwards, Pakistanis and the rest of the world would have been a much safer place now. It was the CIA-financed war, operationalised by the ISI, that created a network of global jihadis and which has now blown back on America, Pakistan and the rest of the world. American imperialism played a definite role in making Pakistan do its dirty job and Zia-ul-Haq's military government and military top brass was more than willing to receive huge military aid and be an active promoter of jihadi culture that has come to haunt us and the rest of the world today.

But we cannot turn back the clock. We have to deal with the fallout and clear our mess. This cannot be done if both India and Pakistan continue to live in a state of denial and blame each other. Indian security forces have usurped the rights of Kashmiris and have killed them and tortured them mercilessly. Indian groups have burned churches and destroyed mosques and carried out massacres of minority groups – Gujarat 2002 is a case in point. It is a complete failure of the Indian state that something as gruesome as the Gujarat massacre happened, in the first place. It is even a bigger failure that the government of Narendra Modi has not been held accountable for it so far. Having said that, no amount of injustice condones murderous attacks of Mumbai. Violence cannot end violence – it leads to only more violence.

Most of the Pakistani intelligentsia, much like the Indian intelligentsia (barring a few exceptions on both sides), suffers from moral bankruptcy. Watching the coverage of Mumbai attacks, one got the impression that many journalists, opinion-makers, and so-called security and defence "experts" were almost as bad as the Indian hawks and jingoists. Both sides were looking at only the ubiquitous "foreign hand" behind everything, without accepting any responsibility for their own actions – though in the Indians' case this was more pronounced.

To quote an example from Pakistan, Lt-Gen (retired) Salahuddin Tirmizi openly referred to India as "dushman mulk" – and this was while the tragedy was still unfolding in Mumbai, with militants still in a shootout at the Taj. Is this the way neighbours express solidarity at such a delicate moment of mayhem and crisis? One wonders why such a jingoistic commentator was invited, in the first place.

Unfortunately, Pakistanis cannot watch Indian media; otherwise there would have been far more such examples to quote from the Indian side as well. One gets the sense from media coverage and talking to people that Indian media has been extremely jingoistic as well. Just the way, they have made the whole world believe that militants just came off the boats from Pakistan and launched this unprecedented massive assault on the financial heart of India. How could they reach such a conclusion while investigations are still at primary stage? How could people who have just come off the boats launch such a massive attack without being familiar with the city and its environs? Then this changed and one began to hear that the attackers came to the city at least a month before the attacks and a few may have actually stayed at one of the hotels that was attacked.

Equally irresponsible were the statements by Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh and Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee, as well as a major-general of the Indian Army. All of them directly or indirectly implicated Pakistan while the situation was still developing and it was premature to be sure of the attack's definite links and causes.

At the end, we also have to come clean on the ISI's role once and for all. The agency's political wing has been disbanded but we all know that in the past it has worked closely with jihadi groups, especially as a result of the war against the Soviet presence in Afghanistan. It is also not a hidden secret anymore that the agency was involved in the past in helping groups like the Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad fight in Kashmir. As a nation, we need to know where the ISI stands in its relationship with jihadi groups now – though we are told time and again that this is now non-existent. If we fail to ascertain that, it would be very hard to refute the label of Pakistan being a haven for terrorists or of it indirectly being behind such attacks.

One can only hope that better sense and sanity will prevail and that the unadulterated blame games and muscle flexing on both sides will give way to restraint. Of course, the Indian media and officials have been more irresponsible because they started the blame game. But that doesn't mean that the Pakistani media necessarily reply in the same coin. It needs to show sympathy and should not give in to the tendency – in such situations – to reply in the same coin.



The writer is a doctoral candidate at the SOAS, University of London.

Mumbai and the media war
 
.

Pakistan Defence Latest Posts

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom