Has Bangladesh's ruling party won a 'managed' election?

[Species]

Two things that harmed BD long term are: 1. BNP's terrible performance in 2008 and 2. Ershad ousting Abdus Satter (a democratically elected president) and his rule which led people to put their bet on the two witches.

The problem with our politics is it's just based on vengeance where all the main actors have complete disregard for the basic ethics and morality, similar to what is seen in the village politics. Bangladeshi politics is pretty much a zero sum game where the winner takes it all with no culture of compromise.

Such lack of maturity won't take us far. As I said earlier, all the countries around us have figured out their faults and becoming more matured politically to move ahead, while we are just going backwards.

 

[VikingRaider]

Bangladeshi politics is pretty much a zero sum game where the winner takes it all with no culture of compromise.

Exactly.

Such lack of maturity won't take us far. As I said earlier, all the countries around us have figured out their faults and becoming more matured politically to move ahead, while we are just going backwards.

So is really democracy can be safeguard for our country ? Are we really ready for democracy at that moment ?Perhaps we have to re think!

 

[Surya 1]

Hasina is now PM of BD. Better people accept it.

 

[UKBengali]

The problem with our politics is it's just based on vengeance where all the main actors have complete disregard for the basic ethics and morality, similar to what is seen in the village politics. Bangladeshi politics is pretty much a zero sum game where the winner takes it all with no culture of compromise.

Such lack of maturity won't take us far. As I said earlier, all the countries around us have figured out their faults and becoming more matured politically to move ahead, while we are just going backwards.

What you say is true in terms of vengeance.

AL is here to stay for at least another 5 years and the more time that they are in power, the more the educated the voters become.
In time the current politics will simply not work with an educated population.

 

[Species]

Exactly.


So is really democracy can be safeguard for our country ? Are we really ready for democracy at that moment ?Perhaps we have to re think!

Bhai, I think it depends on who you ask.

I have seen many Jatiya Party supporters claiming that the country have never seen as much development as that during Ershad's time. They have some valid points, Ershad did bring some revolutionary reforms especially in the administrative setup of the country which is still in use. However, his opponents also got their own logic in that the country was completely dependent on foreign aid during Ershad's regime.

Democracy has its own faults and authoritarianism has its own merits. I'm sure you have some infallible points to support authoritarianism over democracy but others, for instance, who have witnessed the terror of Chhatro League during the student protests wouldn't like to see a government free of any checks and balances to rule the country at will.

 

[VikingRaider]

Democracy has its own faults and authoritarianism has its own merits. I'm sure you have some infallible points to support authoritarianism over democracy but others, for instance, who have witnessed the terror of Chhatro League during the student protests wouldn't like to see a government free of any checks and balances to rule the country at will.

Brother , you have missed my message . I am a supporter of democracy actually . And I believe 2018 election was the worst election as it was pukur churi !

I am just countering someone who is now accusing our army and directly saying that Bangladesh is not sovereign , but under Indian control . They claim that if their party is not in power then army is not neutral . I am just playing fire with fire . When you are in power , army is the angels of heaven , and when you are out from power then army is partisan . Just all are insanity.

If BAL is not in power , Bangladesh is under Pakistani control , if BNP is not in power then Bangladesh is in totally under Indian control , I am am just countering such BS arguments . Seriously Our compatriots should grow up mentally and stop the blame game . Only democracy will be meaningful here .

And also if we talk about democracy , nothing is happening against our constitution , as it clearly supports such amendments according to article 142 . BNP also took the advantage and now AL is using against them !And it's almost impossible to prove that AL rig the election , although surely the election is rigged!

Dishonest peoples always fall in their own trap that they set for others ! That's the reason pure form of democracy , specially parliamentary system is not very useful in Bangladesh .
We have to understand that democracy is the govt by the peoples , of the peoples and for the peoples . So surely all politicians will take the advantage of some problematic issue of our constitution , that can be easily solved . But no party wil do so mutually , but only will do it that suit their needs .

Look I have started it to counter such post . Please read point no 3 and 4 of that post of skies . So I am countering that post of @Skies with this post of mine . I just want our folks stop exaggerating ( as Al folks do about development ) ,and stop blaming everything in this world ,for their fall .

Bhai, I think it depends on who you ask.

I have seen many Jatiya Party supporters claiming that the country have never seen as much development as that during Ershad's time. They have some valid points, Ershad did bring some revolutionary reforms especially in the administrative setup of the country which is still in use. However, his opponents also got their own logic in that the country was completely dependent on foreign aid during Ershad's regime.

I agree 100% with this part always !

@Species

 

[Skies]

@Skies ,
Well sir , I will play in your favor. I will speak for democracy from now . Read my message thoroughly. There is a thing name constitution and In our constitution article 142 clearly says that you can make an amendment in our constitution if you have two thirds seat in parliament . Here is the article 142 of our constitution .

So according to our constitution All processes of AL were very much democratic . They won 230 seat under a caretaker Govt , and later they abolished the caretaker govt , and it was not against our constitution ( read article 142 again ).

Later 2014 election was also very much valid according to our constitution , as if BNP boycott the election then AL is not bound to make amendment again only to satisfy BNP demand .

There is no such thing in our constitution that if anyone start strike then govt has to make an amendment .
BNP would go to AL with a begging bowl to beg caretaker govt system by making another amendment as BNP had only 32 seats to stop AL , and that 32 seat came under a caretaker govt , but they did not do it , but created a civil war situation in Bangladesh with the help of militant Islamic party jamat Islami.

So now after 2014 win ( it was valid too as caretaker govt was abolished because of democratic right ) , and now the 2018 election is also valid and democratic and in democratic way BNP is utterly destroyed . So what was actually against our constitution please show me .

Before giving peoples a satisfactory and rational reply , please stop accusing Army who are the sign of our sovereignty. It will not help BNP recover . You will not get the support of common folks . After the fall even AL guys were blaming AL govt , now if you talk bad against our sovereignty and our army only because your BNP lost , then it will be proven that the fall of BNP is because of their own blame game !

I will not comment on this part , as it's an old cheap trick in Bangladesh and that is Indian ghost and Pakistani ghost from our two political parties . I really want freedom from such thing. And making comment on Youtube video ? Out of question .
PS:Here is article 142 in Bangla.

Edit : Removed tag of a fellow as I want to play alone as a common voter . It's call level playing field , that BNP wants.

Discussing the fact of majority in the parliament does not make sense when they come by rigged election.

Why not making comment on that video? What was army supposed to do in that situation? To escape from that situation?

Of course, the role of army is questionable. I believe that amy is compromised since 2006, thus I never commented on any army/navy/air sticky threads above since I joined in the forum. Because I believe, in the situation of need to protect sovereignty, the army may not act properly as it is evident in that video. So I have strong reason to doubt army.

 

[VikingRaider]

Discussing the fact of majority in the parliament does not make sense when they come by rigged election.

Yes that make hell of a sense when you speak for democracy yet want army involvement .Comment on constitution and without emotion . And yes the election was rigged , but can you prove that it is rigged ? Then prove first . Court demands evidences , not emotion . Even it is same for international court . AL day and night whine about 3 millions , yet can not prove the number that is 10 time lesser than the figure ! Still expect international court will Punish Pakistan because of their emotion . Same case for you ( BNP) too , just in different case , At least you have a valid point, but AL lack it regarding numbers of martyrs .
So use the valid point and file case in international court , But will BNP do that ? No , simply they can not prove .

Let thousands of BNP and BAL be destroyed , Bangladesh will prevail as a country is far greater than a political party . Political parties rise and fall , but a nation survive . Muslim league splitted in pakistan and the main branch of Jinnah is replaced with Nawaz branch , yet Pakistan is unharmed . BJP once got 2 seats in India and now see what happening to congress .
Yet no impact of India . What if any party destroyed ? Nothing happen to the country . But you believe that Bangladesh is not sovereign and it's under control of India , still not providing a single authentic information that can support your claim. Just

Why not making comment on that video? What was army supposed to do in that situation? To escape from that situation?

It looks , you again failed to get my point . Try to understand or leave it . But watch such videos where Khaleda zia is asking vote for Nouka . Do i need to say more ?

Of course, the role of army is questionable.

Whatever .

I believe that amy is compromised since 2006, thus I never commented on any army/navy/air sticky threads above since I joined in the forum.

It's your personal opinion , that demand proof . Thankfully you are not jaforullah , so no one is asking evidences from you . It's the benefit of common folks . Better talk how can we solve the flaws of our constitution , so parties can not do thye mass theft , so that democracy elevate in Bangladesh.

Because I believe, in the situation of need to protect sovereignty,

I think they know their works better than us so please stop writing thrillers .

So I have strong reason to doubt army.

Subhanallah , keep doubting , but the fact will not change . In the end , it's not you who will be defending Bangladesh , because defending country is not same as giving opinion from safe living room .

PS: I again say the election was worst election I have ever seen in my life , I am just refuting your absurd claims and line of thinking regarding army and the sovereignty of Bangladesh and also countering your inconsistency regarding democracy .
@Skies

 

[Type59]

1971 is long gone. Pakistan does not have that much stake in bd. Afghanistan is Pakistan's focus.

 

[UKBengali]

1971 is long gone. Pakistan does not have that much stake in bd. Afghanistan is Pakistan's focus.

Well Pakistanis are making thread after thread as regards BD election.

I am surprised at the intense attention given to BD election here - thought everyone knew that AL would romp home(maybe with a bit of cheating thrown in) and just carry on as normal.

 

[dray / Rain Man]

Congratulations Bangladesh for a free and fair election. All the best..