has anyone met any vetrans from the kargil war? and heard from there experiences?

[Stephen Cohen]

@13 kumaon

Just ignore this Mujhaidind ; he has a habit of crapping in every thread

He says the same things all day in each thread

 

[surya kiran]

Uncle was in the IN. And so was a close friend's hubby. Hubbyji was deployed aboard an ASW ship. Uncle was deployed in an offensive formation in the Arabian Sea, in case matters escalated.

@Oscar @Horus @Jungibaaz @waz

Can we please be a little strict on bringing mothers and sisters into discussions. Should result in immediate ban.

 

[ranjeet]

while he is uttering all BS i am stated him facts that's why he is so pissed.

Ignore maar ... he's a troll.

 

[Dem!god]

You are a slave of Muslims. Just like in the good old Mughal times.

yaar tu bajrang dal join kar le, mast kaam karega tu...

 

[13 kumaon]

Ignore maar ... he's a troll.

ok bro

 

[Btrizer]

Hmmmmm ...... maybe the stories that we wanted on this thread couldnt make it because of lack of reach to the ACTUAL soldiers who took part in the war.

A facebook status regarding thread would bring in many stories , however i am not sure if thats advisable in the current state of the country with efforts being towards against Taliban and mourning over the peshawer incindent.

 

[thrilainmanila]

I Honestly started this debate for an open discussion involving no propaganda, i was hoping we would hear some stories/ battle accounts from soldiers from our side who saw live action, i get called an indian, for discrediting unreliable propagandist information, in the meanwhile many indian members come on this thread speaking about indian soldiers who gave accounts of there war experiences, this is cool but i wanted to hear from the accounts of the pakistani soldiers, as we rarely hear much about it from a military point of view, as its considered a sensitive issue to speak about. so could we please stick to the topic

 

[thrilainmanila]

I lived only few km away from LOC during Kargil conflict (although I went to visit my relative there), could see Indian side from roof top of my house, it was army controlled area, my neighbors brother Lieutenant took 13 bullets of LMG and survived he was the only survivor on his post. Had frequent conversations with PA personal, they even gave us their vehicle to move around but instruct driver not to go to border (LOC) as it will be suicidal for us. Saw Namaz-e-Janaza few soldiers & people (civilians) slaughtered on LOC by IA spec ops.

PA artillery was effective because I know the results it generated in sector where I was living in.

I also had access to souvenirs from IA which were captured by PA or Muj but we were instructed not to get hold of those.

did you know any information about the IAF wiping out the PA munition dump near the LOC, there was a huge camp there and most the pak army casualties came from that single ariel bombardment.

 

[Basel]

did you know any information about the IAF wiping out the PA munition dump near the LOC, there was a huge camp there and most the pak army casualties came from that single ariel bombardment.

my house was only 500 meters away from a depot n nothing happened there, only small fighting area depots got hit on both sides mainly both sides knew that going will expand war n make it more deadly.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

If that was the case then why your soldiers were crying on radio to their COs for supplies?? as they seem extremely short of even basic needs forget the munitions.

Also PA artillery was active at night too, I used to hear 130mm firing all night in Nakyal sector, as I was only few km away from them near army area at that time and had continuous interaction with them, and PA had human lintel available to take out incoming convoyed that was also what IA acknowledged.

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after all this,,
-still you lost..
-still could not active desired result of blackmailing india for siachine
-still your PM went to USA on JULY 4..... July..4 ... even iseral will not go on that day .. bue you did.. why...to take trophy...
you guys claim PA won tacticaly politcal guy losts it.. ..dear... war is game of mind , instrument and diplomacy.. PA
took Pakistan for ride... and made damage for decades ... nation fear one thing to loose in world.. credibility its political asset to win in world forum by acts and deeds and PA in one shot made it vanish waht ever left that day..
- you huys have one post whihc you claim to be higest in region and you can see NH -1 from there .. but we have satellite to see your bunker too...
- Conclusion
i can go on and on so other including you.. answer is PA won some battles yes.. but lost War and more imp the credibility of Pakistan as nation in world .. you guys wanted to achive something but left your soldires body here ... Shame
IA lost some battele but won the war at great cost..
piostive side of kargil was you made our Minister relasise Bofores was politcally worng but won battle for india .. thansks for Rajive gandhi (rarely congres gets thanks )
so it defence and ministry become more hawkishin policy in all level and we can see ruslt now
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making mistake is not crime till you learn and implement right lesson from it to avoid it future .. india partially did it ..
pak.. i dont know

 

[Basel]

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after all this,,
-still you lost..
-still could not active desired result of blackmailing india for siachine
-still your PM went to USA on JULY 4..... July..4 ... even iseral will not go on that day .. bue you did.. why...to take trophy...
you guys claim PA won tacticaly politcal guy losts it.. ..dear... war is game of mind , instrument and diplomacy.. PA
took Pakistan for ride... and made damage for decades ... nation fear one thing to loose in world.. credibility its political asset to win in world forum by acts and deeds and PA in one shot made it vanish waht ever left that day..
- you huys have one post whihc you claim to be higest in region and you can see NH -1 from there .. but we have satellite to see your bunker too...
- Conclusion
i can go on and on so other including you.. answer is PA won some battles yes.. but lost War and more imp the credibility of Pakistan as nation in world .. you guys wanted to achive something but left your soldires body here ... Shame
IA lost some battele but won the war at great cost..
piostive side of kargil was you made our Minister relasise Bofores was politcally worng but won battle for india .. thansks for Rajive gandhi (rarely congres gets thanks )
so it defence and ministry become more hawkishin policy in all level and we can see ruslt now
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making mistake is not crime till you learn and implement right lesson from it to avoid it future .. india partially did it ..
pak.. i dont know

Do you know why Kargil war was started if yes, then you will know that Pakistan never lost that war, because Pakistan still hold those position which it wanted, go ask you army if they have guts to told you the truth.

 

[ares]

Do you know why Kargil war was started if yes, then you will know that Pakistan never lost that war, because Pakistan still hold those position which it wanted, go ask you army if they have guts to told you the truth.

1.Kargil war was initiated by Pakistan, because it wanted to take revenge for Siachen..it wanted to evict India from Siachen.

2.Internationalize the Kashmir issue.

3.Force the world to push India settle Kashmir as per Pakistani wishes, or there is threat of nuclear conflict in South Asia.

And Pakistan failed round the board in its objectives.

1.Siachen is still Indian control, Pakistan has no option but to return to table, where India hardened its stance on it.Pakistan is no better position to evict Indians from Siachen, than it was in 1984.

Alternate supply line to Leh i.e Manali Leh Highway, which was open only 4 month a year, has been transformed into a perennial highway through digging of Rohtang tunnel. Now Pakistan will never be in position to stop the supplied to Siachen, be whatever time of year it is.

Rohtang Tunnel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2.Pakistan received extensive international criticism and humiliation for initiating the Kargil war and lying about it. Its prime minister was humiliatingly berated by the Americans. Bill Clinton even refused to shake Hands with Musharraf, when he arrived in Pakistan.
Pakistani allies(China and Saudi) refused to come to its aid. It suffered a Kuh de tat and democracy was derailed for another 10 yrs.

3.But to none other, was Kargil more detrimental too, than Pakistan's 'Kashmir Cause'

Lying about Kargil eroded Pakistan's credibility .."Kashmiri Mujahedin" were miffed since there name was needlessly dragged through mud because of Pakistani actions.

'Jihad' in Kashmir which was thought an indigenous struggle and some international support , became to know as Cross border Terrorism after Kargil war.
Pakistani Kashmir oriented Jihadi organisation were declared as terrorist organisation one by one.

P.S Pakistan just occupies one peak in Kargil, that too surrounded by Indian peaks on all the sides..and It lost hundreds and thousands (4000 as per your Prime minister) soldiers to gain that.

 

[13 kumaon]

Do you know why Kargil war was started if yes, then you will know that Pakistan never lost that war, because Pakistan still hold those position which it wanted, go ask you army if they have guts to told you the truth.

what positions are we talking abt here?

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Do you know why Kargil war was started if yes, then you will know that Pakistan never lost that war, because Pakistan still hold those position which it wanted, go ask you army if they have guts to told you the truth.

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can you tel pointer how you won and why ,,,
my ans given member here which summarize every thing

 

[Basel]

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can you tel pointer how you won and why ,,,
my ans given member here which summarize every thing

Basically PA want some posts which they had lost, and they got more then that, including the highest post (strategic important ones) in the area which give edge in Kargil.