Hangor Class Submarine Project | Updates & Discussions

[shah1398]

Even air gapped systems can be hacked. Refer to the Recent NSA documents about how they hacked Pakistan VIP communication tech which coincidentally is airgapped itself and then read how through Infected USB's. they hacked Iranian airgapped nuclear power plants and disrupted their systems.

The only thing which can be done is to enforce strict IT policies and educate users as much as possible regarding IT security.

Sir U are absolutely right in pointing towards the weak areas and accordingly the related quarters have taken quite serious steps and have implemented them quite long ago and the process is ongoing.

 

[Arsalan]

The subs obviously wont be handed over in bunches of 4

So when the chinese target date is 2022 does that mean we will get the first sub e.g next year and the 4th by 2022/23 or does that mean we will get first sub by 2022 and the following in the subsequent years

two to be manufactured simultaneously with deliveries some 6 8 months apart i would saym it will take around 3+ years to get the first two.
also i think, by looking at those plans of ksew upgradation and expansion that we will get the last ones before 2028!

 

[shah1398]

This is what makes me afraid as hell....I hope recent leaks/hacking/theft of indian sub and NSA operations.....Pakistan and China will leave no stone un turned in safeguarding their precious assets...

Pakistan is moving ahead in cyber security (esp Armed Forces) and have made quite a strides in this regards. They no more depend only on encryption of data but have put in place quite much required cyber security ethics. But nonetheless hacking is a tug of war between who is hacking and who is being hacked. If protocols and system in place are efficient enough to detect any hacking attempt preemptively then they can make the attempt to go as failed.

 

[Tipu7]

Lets be honest,
I and most of us who are extremely disappointed by Submarine timeline were expecting all Subs delivered by 2022 at max.

Reason was, that we believed that idea of spliting 8 subs into half half for China and Pakistan was to speed up the production process. Four subs manufacting in China and Four subs manufacturing in Pakistan at the same time.!

I am extremely disappointed, its too damn late considering the fact that we are planning to Develop Submarine based 2nd Strike Capability which is also delayed now for a decade. India on the other hand will soon be be able to arm and get full fledged 2nd strike capability even before 2020. This also explains why we are ''upgrading'' our Agusta 90 subs from Turkey. The ''hope'' of operating 8 Yuan + 3 Agusta90 = 11 AIP subs is dead.......

Doomed.............

 

[hussain0216]

Lets be honest,
I and most of us who are extremely disappointed by Submarine timeline were expecting all Subs delivered by 2022 at max.

Reason was, that we believed that idea of spliting 8 subs into half half for China and Pakistan was to speed up the production process. Four subs manufacting in China and Four subs manufacturing in Pakistan at the same time.!

I am extremely disappointed, its too damn late considering the fact that we are planning to Develop Submarine based 2nd Strike Capability which is also delayed now for a decade. India on the other hand will soon be be able to arm and get full fledged 2nd strike capability even before 2020. This also explains why we are ''upgrading'' our Agusta 90 subs from Turkey. The ''hope'' of operating 8 Yuan + 3 Agusta90 = 11 AIP subs is dead.......

Doomed.............

It will come, there is a reason for this delay and it might be a very good one

 

[Bratva]

Lets be honest,
I and most of us who are extremely disappointed by Submarine timeline were expecting all Subs delivered by 2022 at max.

Reason was, that we believed that idea of spliting 8 subs into half half for China and Pakistan was to speed up the production process. Four subs manufacting in China and Four subs manufacturing in Pakistan at the same time.!

I am extremely disappointed, its too damn late considering the fact that we are planning to Develop Submarine based 2nd Strike Capability which is also delayed now for a decade. India on the other hand will soon be be able to arm and get full fledged 2nd strike capability even before 2020. This also explains why we are ''upgrading'' our Agusta 90 subs from Turkey. The ''hope'' of operating 8 Yuan + 3 Agusta90 = 11 AIP subs is dead.......

Doomed.............

How Pakistan can build 4 subs in Parallel with China when Pakistani engineers dont know a dime about how to construct chinese submarines ?

 

[Tipu7]

What ever the reason, there is no reason bigger enough to justify risk to survival ..............
I wish if our Ulma issue Fatwa to offer Zakaat and Donations to our ''proud'' Armed forces.
I will be among first to deliver my ''aid'' to my own country security forces.
Collapse after collapse, shame after shame. And when we ask for reason, then answer is ''Pase ni hain''
Heck, reduce aiyashi of Generals and their families, spend money aggressively to forge your capabilities.
We do not need empty words, we do not need a navy which can stand against IN for 3 days, or air force which can stand against IAF for a week or army which can stand for a month.

We need God Damn strong Military able to chew down enemy who try to pose threat to our existence .

How Pakistan can build 4 subs in Parallel with China when Pakistani engineers dont know a dime about how to construct chinese submarines ?

How many Ship yards we got? How many subs we can manufacture at once? One?
And who is responsible for such miserable condition ?
Some one should be accountable, some one should be blamed and Punished for such miserable situation of our own defense industry and armed force/ ...............

 

[Areesh]

What ever the reason, there is no reason bigger enough to justify risk to survival ..............
I wish if our Ulma issue Fatwa to offer Zakaat and Donations to our ''proud'' Armed forces.
I will be among first to deliver my ''aid'' to my own country security forces.
Collapse after collapse, shame after shame. And when we ask for reason, then answer is ''Pase ni hain''
Heck, reduce aiyashi of Generals and their families, spend money aggressively to forge your capabilities.
We do not need empty words, we do not need a navy which can stand against IN for 3 days, or air force which can stand against IAF for a week or army which can stand for a month.

We need God Damn strong Military able to chew down enemy who try to pose threat to our existence .


How many Ship yards we got? How many subs we can manufacture at once? One?
And who is responsible for such miserable condition ?
Some one should be accountable, some one should be blamed and Punished for such miserable situation of our own defense industry and armed force/ ...............

It is normal. Submarines are not Suzuki Mehran. They take time and are complex machines.

We would be building more ships too in near future like frigates/corvetters. Azmat class FAC are also under construction. Then there are some other ships that are under construction by Karachi shipyard.

Considering all this work I think this is a good pretty decent timeline.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

04:44 PM, 26 Aug, 2016

Under the agreement, four submarines will be constructed in China and will be provided to Pakistan Navy in 2022-23 while the remaining four submarines will be constructed in Pakistan at Karachi Shipyard and will be handed over to Pakistan Navy in 2028.

The Committee expressed satisfaction over the development made by the Pakistan Navy of Pakistan.

Do they provide all Four of them simultaneously at 22-23 ??? Of course not till 22-23 all deliveries will be completed and till 28 rest from shipyards of Pakistan will be delivered till 2028.

 

[Rocky rock]

Any idea at which naval shipyard they are going to construct in china?

 

[Blue Marlin]

im sure there is a mix up in the article/source/claim

Minister for Defence Production Rana Tanveer Hussain told at the inauguration of the Defence Export Promotion Organisation (DEPO) Display Centre in the federal capital that the deal for the acquisition of submarines from China had been finalised and four of them would be built here.

He further said that construction of the submarines would simultaneously begin in Pakistan and China
http://www.dawn.com/news/1211363/china-to-build-four-submarines-in-karachi

i dont know where 2028 came from

 

[Tipu7]

I do hope its mix up. Pakistan cannot afford 2028. We are involved in this deal from past two years.

im sure there is a mix up in the article/source/claim

Minister for Defence Production Rana Tanveer Hussain told at the inauguration of the Defence Export Promotion Organisation (DEPO) Display Centre in the federal capital that the deal for the acquisition of submarines from China had been finalised and four of them would be built here.

He further said that construction of the submarines would simultaneously begin in Pakistan and China
http://www.dawn.com/news/1211363/china-to-build-four-submarines-in-karachi

i dont know where 2028 came from

 

[Areesh]

Well in general this is fine.
But when your existence is at question then its not.
We know these subs are meant to be our platform for 2nd strike capability. So special focus was crucial as this is not just matter of regular subs but our Strategic asset which will answer the enemy when our cities of Lahore, Karachi, Quetta, Peshawar, Islamabad and Rawalpindi will be burning from radioactivity.
I am telling you, considering India progress towards Nuclear subs and arming them with Nuclear capable K4 & K15 series, we are doomed.
Our Military need Clean up, .............. as badly as our Political parties. These Morons take every thing very lightly and end up in giving justification for their failures

Hold on buddy. Nobody is going to get away after nuking Karachi, Lahore, Quetta or Islamabad.

We are going fine. We are not war mongering fools like our enemy. Keep it cool. WE would get 4 submarines in just 6-7 years. We can base our second strike capability on them. There is nothing to frustrate about. WE can build bigger warships during this time.

 

[Blue Marlin]

I do hope its mix up. Pakistan cannot afford 2028. We are involved in this deal from past two years.

2028 is too late even for pakistan. for china.......its a life time
as for a time frame, i would expect it to be launched by 2019 the earliest

 

[Furqan Sarwar]

well this update was given to the parliamentary committee and they are ignorant people so don't mind this news. This don't look like an actual timeline.

Best timeline would be 2018-25.