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Hamid Mir's Alleged Ties to Militants and Spies

hey

check out Hamid Mir with LeT guys

enjoy think before deciding who you want to support, dont blindly support someone just because he hates Pakistan army
he is with Ilyas Kashmiri who has his pictures taken with a severed head of an Indian which I wont post here



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I cant read urdu/arabic you posted but am pretty sure he was doing his duty as journalist. How would one get to talk with terrorists if you dont show any empathy to them. (being sympathetic to their cause is a different issue, am not sure that is proved).
In any case who am I to blame ordinary pakistanis for thinking like this, once police of a south Indian state arrested a journalist for interviewing notorious forest brigand veerappan.
 
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and the point is most of the operatives in private sector aremostly Ret military personnel and most of their offcials have links with Intelligence agencies, even a PI operating in a country like UK will have links in and contacts in mi5 and scotland, so we cannot nullify their views just because they operate in private sector....

Things in west does not work like they do in east .
 
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I cant read urdu/arabic you posted but am pretty sure he was doing his duty as journalist. How would one get to talk with terrorists if you dont show any empathy to them. (being sympathetic to their cause is a different issue, am not sure that is proved).
In any case who am I to blame ordinary pakistanis for thinking like this, once police of a south Indian state arrested a journalist for interviewing notorious forest brigand veerappan.
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that was more than the journalistic duty
like I said earlier, he is one of those who shares terrorists view of absolute hated for Pakistani minorities , he is always welcome and very frequent guest with Taliban and his time is more or a welcome guest and a friend rather than a journalist.
I dont know how can someone chat and share jokes with people who behead civilians and soldiers.

his writings, his shows and his conduct supporting and justifying terrorists goes beyond journalism. his claim to journalistic fame (and automatic approval from India for wrong reasons is) that he blames ISI on almost all terrorist attacks. media outlets received calls from LeJ that they killed shia students at the university and then attacked the Quetta Hospital but he continued to blame army and ISI and LeJ or Taliban had nothing to do with it and they are just "angry" for Pakistan army joining the American war on terror.


the urdu caption is about his meeting with top terrorist leaders of domestic and international terrorists in the tribal area and his good time there.
 
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dear

that was more than the journalistic duty
like I said earlier, he is one of those who shares terrorists view of absolute hated for Pakistani minorities , he is always welcome and very frequent guest with Taliban and his time is more or a welcome guest and a friend rather than a journalist.
I dont know how can someone chat and share jokes with people who behead civilians and soldiers.

his writings, his shows and his conduct supporting and justifying terrorists goes beyond journalism. his claim to journalistic fame (and automatic approval from India for wrong reasons is) that he blames ISI on almost all terrorist attacks. media outlets received calls from LeJ that they killed shia students at the university and then attacked the Quetta Hospital but he continued to blame army and ISI and LeJ or Taliban had nothing to do with it and they are just "angry" for Pakistan army joining the American war on terror.


the urdu caption is about his meeting with top terrorist leaders of domestic and international terrorists in the tribal area and his good time there.
when you are in that field you get sucked into more close circle of criminals. Political journalists face same problem, you cant get insider story without knowing and showing sympathy with big politicians( an excuse barkha dutt made when her tapes were revealed, and I am more than agree to give all journalists benefit of doubt).

Its the principle I am talking about. Press gets free ride even in India, thats a price you have to pay, because 100% press people might not be there for right reason.

And even if I hate mir I cant agree that simple principle violated.
For example I might hate bhutto sr but I hate the way he was hanged. I would hate to find musharaf in that place. I dont think just because these leaders hurt India I can support anything that is done to them.
 
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when you are in that field you get sucked into more close circle of criminals. Political journalists face same problem, .

in principle I agree with you.
yes the journalists earn the trust of the state enemies and the criminals to get the other side of the story

but there is a distinction, an impersonal and a matter of fact reporting. and a scumbag who actually praises the criminals, smiles with them, mocks their victims (check out his programs during massacre of Christians & Ahmedis in Lahore, not a single word or actually mocking and smug smiles) and actually writes in support of their actions and considers them to be doing the right thing

in Pakistan, he is hated and condemned for his unqualified support of Taliban and his justification for their actions. reaction to his army hatred is just a by-product not the main cause because even left wing parties and people (like MQM & PPP who were at odds with military in the past) fully support military actions and praise their sacrifices.


and he is praised (by a section of society) for his army hatred just because it is fighting his beloved brothers.
many people including myself in some cases criticise our military and the role of its secret services many other journalists do that (he cant claim the sole credit for that).

I am talking about hypocrisy here

he will deliberately bypass news about terrorist atrocities against minorities, government and civilian people but he will shed bucket loads of tears over PAF strikes. calling this journalism is unfair
 
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hey

check out Hamid Mir with LeT guys

enjoy think before deciding who you want to support, dont blindly support someone just because he hates Pakistan army
he is with Ilyas Kashmiri who has his pictures taken with a severed head of an Indian which I wont post here



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He has also interviewed Mullah Umar and Usama Bin Laden and Akbar Bugti as well what would that make him.....His reputation was established because he reached places where others would not risk going, he published things which others wouldn't dare publishing.....And yes Alyas Kashmiri was another beast of establishment turned against its master....If your memory does not serve you well, probably reading this would help
ISLAMABAD: Once he was a blue-eyed boy of President General Pervez Musharraf. He got a cash award from the president for slitting the throat of an Indian Army officer in the year 2000 but after 9/11, he became a suspected terrorist.



This terrorist was Ilyas Kashmiri, reportedly killed in a US drone attack in North Waziristan last week. US officials claimed that Ilyas Kashmiri was a senior al-Qaeda commander and his death was a huge loss for the militants fighting against the foreign forces in Afghanistan.



Very few people know that Ilyas Kashmiri was a former SSG commando of Pakistan Army. He was originally from Kotli area of Azad Kashmir. He was deputed by Pakistan Army to train the Afghan Mujahideen fighting against the Russian Army in mid-80s. He was an expert of mines supplied to Afghan Mujahideen by the US. He lost one eye during the Jihad against Russian invaders and later on he joined Harkat-e-Jihad-e-Islami of Maulvi Nabi Muhammadi.



Ilyas Kashmiri was based in Miramshah area of North Waziristan where he was working as an instructor at a training camp. After the withdrawal of Russian Army from Afghanistan, Ilyas Kashmiri was asked by Pakistani establishment to work with Kashmiri militants. He joined the Kashmir chapter of Harkatul Jihad-i-Islami in 1991. After a few years, he developed some differences with the head of HuJI Qari Saifullah Akhtar.



Ilyas Kashmiri created his own 313 Brigade in HuJI. He was once arrested by Indian Army from Poonch area of Indian held Kashmir along with Nasrullah Mansoor Langrial. He was imprisoned in different Indian jails for two years and finally he escaped from there after breaking the jail. His old friend Langrial is still imprisoned in India.



Ilyas Kashmiri became a legend after escaping from the Indian jail. It was 1998 when the Indian Army started incursions along the Line of Control and killed Pakistani civilians many times by crossing the border. Ilyas Kashmiri was given the task to attack the Indians from their back. He did it many times.



Indian Army killed 14 civilians on February 25, 2000 in Lonjot village of Nakial in Azad Kashmir. Indian commandos crossed the LoC, spent the whole night in a Pakistani village and left early morning. They slit the throats of three girls and took away their heads with them. They also kidnapped two local girls. The next morning, the heads of the kidnapped girls were thrown towards Pakistani soldiers by the Indian Army.


The very next day of this massacre, Ilyas Kashmiri conducted a guerilla operation against the Indian Army in Nakyal sector on the morning of February 26, 2000. He crossed the LoC with 25 fighters of the 313 Brigade. He surrounded a bunker of Indian Army and threw grenades inside. After one of his fighters Qudratullah lost his life, he was able to kidnap an injured officer of the Indian Army. That was not the end. He slit the throat of the kidnapped officer.




He came back to Pakistan with the head of the dead Indian Army officer in his bag and presented this head to top Army officials and later on to the then Army Chief General Pervez Musharraf, who gave him a cash award of rupees one lakh.



The pictures of Ilyas Kashmiri with the head of a dead Indian Army officer in his hands were published in some Pakistani newspapers and he became very important among the Kashmiri militants. Maulana Zahoor Ahmad Alvi of Jamia Muhammadia, Islamabad, issued a fatwa in support of slitting the throats of Indian Army officers. Those were the days when Corps Commander, Rawalpindi, Lt Gen Mehmood Ahmad, visited the training camp of Ilyas Kashmiri in Kotli and appreciated his frequent guerilla actions against the Indian Army.



His honeymoon with the Pakistan Army generals was over after the creation of Jaish-e-Muhammad. Gen Mehmood wanted Ilyas Kashmiri to join JeM and accept Maulana Masood Azhar as his leader but the one eyed militant refused to do so. The militants of JeM once attacked the training camp of Ilyas Kashmiri in Kotli but he survived that attack. His outfit was banned by Musharraf after 9/11. He was arrested after an attack on the life of Pervez Musharraf in December 2003. He was tortured during the interrogation.



The United Jihad Council led by Syed Salahuddin strongly protested the arrest of Ilyas Kashmiri and on the pressure of Kashmiri militants, Ilyas Kashmiri was released in February 2004. He was a shattered man after his release. He disassociated himself from the Kashmiri militants and remained silent for at least three years.



It was the Lal Masjid operation in July 2007, which totally changed Ilyas Kashmiri. He moved to North Waziristan where he spent many years as a Jihad instructor. This area was full of his friends and sympathisers. He reorganized his 313 Brigade and joined hands with the Taliban but he was never close to al-Qaeda leadership. He attracted many former Pakistan Army officers to join hands with him. The strength of 313 Brigade in North Waziristan was more than 3,000. Most of his fighters were hired from the Punjab, Sindh and Azad Kashmir.



It is alleged that he organised many terrorist attacks in different areas of Pakistan, including the assassination of Major General (retd) Faisal Alvi in Rawalpindi. Alvi was also from the SSG and he led the first-ever Army operation in North Waziristan in 2004.



Kashmiri planned attacks on Alvi on the demand of Taliban in North Waziristan. Sources close to his family have yet not confirmed his death in a US drone attack but there is no doubt that Ilyas Kashmiri was actually a creation of the Pakistani establishment like Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi of the banned LeT.



The Pakistani establishment abandoned and arrested most of these militant leaders without realising that they had followers all over Pakistan and they could create problems for Pakistan anytime. The establishment is still without any policy about all those who were once declared “freedom fighters” and were honored by the top Army officials like Pervez Musharraf.
How an ex-Army commando became a terrorist - thenews.com.pk
 
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He has also interviewed Mullah Umar and Usama Bin Laden and Akbar Bugti as well what would that make him.....His reputation was established because he reached places where others would not risk going


how convenient
that he never ever bothered going to the victims of the terrorism. not even once. maybe he found it more appealing to go and visit people with same values for life and death.

please pull the thumb out of yourself. we did very dark things in the past
we moved on long ago. but there are people who are stuck in that time loop and justify their rants, taunts and their support on the over used excuse of what military did in the past.


what about Indians? what have they done? and are still doing?

.. yes Bangladesh and Balochistan is an example and so is East Punjab and Sri Lanka (two of their Gandhis paid the price with their blood.. be fair in your argument dont be an Abu Jah'ls brother in Law)

your Punjab is now safe isnt it? the Tigers of Raiwand have bought peace from taliban so you wont care I know
 
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@batmannow
I wonder if people of Hazrat Umar R.A had this mentality shown by chronic army haters these days

so hypocrites , everytime they met they would say..

"hey but it was Umar (RA) who went out with a sword to kill the Prophet PBUH init???? yea yea...!!! ha ha ha?"
"hey but it was Umar (RA) who was siding with the Quraish No? yea yea yea?"


some dumb fucks are so think that its laughable, they pick the lines from the Indians and mock us that these terrorists were supported by us in Afghan Jihad against Soviets.. (someone tell those Mofo's that none of these Lal masjid bastards, and Hakim ullah and Fazlullah were mujahideen) we supported Prof Burhan udin, Engineer Hikmat Yar, Molvi Khalis, Ahemd Shah and Jalal Udin Haqani and none of them has waged war against us.


everytime I see their mindless rants I feel like pissing on their teeth lol.
 
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ohh sure thats why what has happened to him, is not unique then too?
dont go play with snakes, cause after finishing thier tea time, they ill going to bite frist?
well i guss, you are, also becoming a good spokesperson for JEWO tv, i guss can find a great future there?


im not a kala engeriaz, from slumdog millionaire.any way my kala desi lord?
First of all, there is nothing wrong with being Jewish, you racist moron. Second, there is nothing unique about this entire situation, and the only ones to blow this out of proportion are the people who've been trying to shut down Geo from the very beginning.

You can claim anything you want, but when Hamid Mir defended Allama Iqbal against insults, people like you sat silently and did nothing to do what Mir had the courage to do.

all that came into bieng , when CIA started a cold soft wind of change, this & that damocrazy my love crap in pakistan, playing with croupted political runaways like BB & through her to nawaz & Imran , then justice monte carlo?
ohh, our great HAMID MIR, was the medaled hero, by everyone?
i m sorry, i guss we are getting out of topic here?
but none of you also are logicals, you know what Queen canada?lolzz
Your entire comment makes no sense, it's like a monkey on a typewriter. Think before you type, because no one can understand a word you wrote.

how convenient
that he never ever bothered going to the victims of the terrorism. not even once. maybe he found it more appealing to go and visit people with same values for life and death.

please pull the thumb out of yourself. we did very dark things in the past
we moved on long ago. but there are people who are stuck in that time loop and justify their rants, taunts and their support on the over used excuse of what military did in the past.


what about Indians? what have they done? and are still doing?

.. yes Bangladesh and Balochistan is an example and so is East Punjab and Sri Lanka (two of their Gandhis paid the price with their blood.. be fair in your argument dont be an Abu Jah'ls brother in Law)

your Punjab is now safe isnt it? the Tigers of Raiwand have bought peace from taliban so you wont care I know
I've said it before and I'll say it again, you're using anecdotal evidence, and straw man arguments.

very unqiue I must say

enjoying food and company with top terrorists and butchers while many other journalists were assassinated by the TTP.. he enjoyed a cordial relationship with TTP, AL Qaeda and LeJ

his calls and his meetings would include

sharing his hatred for Pakistan army with them
sharing his hatred for minorities with them
and even discussing upcoming Army operations with them
He's a journalist, it's his job to meet with people who're less than desirable. If he didn't interview them, someone else would have. Again, you're using anecdotal evidence, which makes little to no sense, because it doesn't change facts. All you're doing is trying to demonize him and gain sympathy, neither of which is how you should make your argument.

Tell me, have you met with the ISI chief? No? Well, I guess you hate the ISI. Have you met with the COAS? No? I guess you have the Pak army. Your conclusions are based on nothing more than your misguided assumptions that 1+1=11.
 
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He's a journalist, it's his job to meet with people who're less than desirable. If he didn't interview them, someone else would have. Again, you're using anecdotal evidence, which makes little to no sense, because it doesn't change facts. All you're doing is trying to demonize him and gain sympathy, neither of which is how you should make your argument.
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hello dear you are a good guy please get a hold of yourslf
the guy you are wasting your time for is a scumbag who claims that we are throwing my fellow Balochis from the Helicopters
is that journalism? now even Imran Khan is raising the issue of Hamid Mir's bosses getting foreign funding to malign my army

stawman argument? boy you have any clue how much pissed off I am? FC discovers a mass grave and Jang group decides that the victims were killed by the army!!!
those who actually discovered the killing stand accused? then there is shameless Khawaja Asif who hails from Punjab names Quetta express Akkbar Bughti who;s organisation marches Punjabis out of the buses and executes them!!!


Hamid Mir is a scumbag dont call him a journalist. he is a hypocrite.. dont patronize me, you dont need to teach me how the journalists work. yes they have to go and meet underground and anti state people too but this guy enjoys their company

do you know that Kh Khalid's son has a petition against this scum who called TTP and lied that Kh Khalid was an Ahmedi and had him executed?

I can go on for ever to what end?
 
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Attempt on Hamid Mir's life drew widespread condemnation but allegations against ISI shifted media debate, triggered strong reaction from Pakistan's powerful military and other media groups.

Defense ministry filed complaint with media regulator and asked to close down Jang Group's Geo TV channels.

ViewPoint from Overseas hostFaraz Darvesh discusses these and other topics with Ali H Cemendtaur, Amna Iqbal (Express Tribune) and Riaz Haq (www.riazhaq.com)

Read more atHaq's Musings: Commission Must Investigate Hamid Mir's Ties to Spies & Militants

 
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hello dear you are a good guy please get a hold of yourslf
the guy you are wasting your time for is a scumbag who claims that we are throwing my fellow Balochis from the Helicopters
is that journalism? now even Imran Khan is raising the issue of Hamid Mir's bosses getting foreign funding to malign my army

stawman argument? boy you have any clue how much pissed off I am? FC discovers a mass grave and Jang group decides that the victims were killed by the army!!!
those who actually discovered the killing stand accused? then there is shameless Khawaja Asif who hails from Punjab names Quetta express Akkbar Bughti who;s organisation marches Punjabis out of the buses and executes them!!!


Hamid Mir is a scumbag dont call him a journalist. he is a hypocrite.. dont patronize me, you dont need to teach me how the journalists work. yes they have to go and meet underground and anti state people too but this guy enjoys their company

do you know that Kh Khalid's son has a petition against this scum who called TTP and lied that Kh Khalid was an Ahmedi and had him executed?

I can go on for ever to what end?

Look, you're a good guy, so I'm going to be as straightforward and respectful to you as I can possibly be.

I'm not defending what Hamid Mir did, but I find it ridiculous that people are attributing his statement to Geo. He's just one guy who happens to work for Geo, and Geo just happened to report on what he said. If he worked for Dawn, Dunya, hell even PTV, they would be the ones in this situation, not Geo. Even then, I don't think Hamid Mir should be called a lunatic. He's been shot, he's upset, of course he's going to make claims. You'd do the same thing in his position. I may not agree with him, but simply dismissing his allegations is bad, has anyone even asked him why he made them in the first place? No. All anyone cares about is that he said something bad about the military and the ISI. Even if his allegations turn out to be untrue, his claims should still be investigated, just in case. Let me ask you this, what if his allegations are true? Humor me for a second, what if he's right and someone from within the ISI had it in for him. Intel agencies aren't exactly known for their tolerance of criticism. Every intel agency (CIA, ISI, Mossad/Shin Bet, RAW, FSB/KGB, Mi6, even Canada's own RCMP in it's past) that is worth it's weight has been involved in less than savory activities that we, the general public, would condemn them for; Knowing this, should you be surprised if HM's allegations did turn out to be true?

All I ask is that people let this investigation go through first, before calling Geo and HM traitors, because dismissing HM's allegations is just as bad as making those allegations in the first place; the only difference being that HM is obviously upset and is in no condition to make PR friendly comments.
 
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