Hamas removed from list of terrorist organisations by EU court

[Slav Defence]

This ruling (not even by the highest court in the EU) will have no influence on the ground IMO. Each EU member state have their own terrorist lists and EU have no say in that. From what I can gather.

Lastly most of the world has long ago recognized Palestine but as long as the US is not doing so there will not be a two-state solution. In the meantime criminal illegal Jewish settlers are building more illegal settlements in the West Bank and preventing peace as clearly shown in this French documentary below;

French documentary about rabid illegal criminal Jewish settlers preventing peace in Palestine

Ya-akhi,
Exactly,This is the one major problem that must be addressed and resolved.It is time that Israel must realize of the consequences of her actions rather than denying. They have seriously no idea that how much their image is damaged globally especially after Operation Protective Edge.Peace process will not only benefit Palestine but it may give Israel a chance to improve their image.
Regards

 

[al-Hasani]

Ya-akhi,
Exactly,This is the one major problem that must be addressed and resolved.It is time that Israel must realize of the consequences of her actions rather than denying. They have seriously no idea that how much their image is damaged globally especially after Operation Protective Edge.Peace process will not only benefit Palestine but it may give Israel a chance to improve their image.
Regards

It's similar to the nonsense "our" Muslim leaders (well I did not elect "mine" but whatever) spread of nonsense every time Palestine or any other area of conflict in the Muslim world is mentioned.

As I see it then the current Israeli regime is a big joke. While they are meeting with Western leaders they are very determined to show the world that everything goes "according to the plan" and that they are committed to a two-state solution. In the meantime illegal Jewish settlers and criminals are making a two-state solution a even more distant dream. Of course with the accept of the Israeli regime that looks the other way and even encourages this.

Some Jews are truly pathetic and the epitome of hypocrisy. Talk about a Stockholm syndrome. Solomon2 and other Jewish users on PDF are the result of this syndrome.

Then some people here have the audacity to cry when Palestinians whose ancestral lands are taken from them and stolen are turning to desperate means such as violence. Bunch of morons.

There can be no constructive dialogue. Their actions are not actions of a regime that is committed to peace and a two-state solution. Simple as that.

Palestinians should continue to increase in numbers in Israel and should never leave under any circumstances.

I can recommend watching that documentary I referred to. Quite an eyeopener.

Regards,

 

[hassan zohaib]

Would you like to explain how did and where from hamas get oil money?
By the way we are all terrorists for each other like Palestinians and hamas for Israel and Israel for Muslim world and Palestine because interests define who is terrorist and who is not. Everybody is right for himself but the wrong-one is other party.
Hoping also that you will take pains to define the proper definition of terrorism and terrorist.
Here morality doesn't define terrorism but the power and poweful.

 

[Solomon2]

Hamas officially took responsibility in uncounted terrorists attacks. Yet European judges cant find evidence they are terrorists. Oil money makes miracles.

It's not just oil anymore. Since the 1960s Europe has admitted large numbers of Arab immigrants into its labor force. Throwing Jews under the bus thus makes for cheaper policing allowing larger funds to be spent on social programs while the "crimes" of Israel are wielded as a blind to divert attention from kickbacks, bribes, and graft.

 

[al-Hasani]

It's not just oil anymore. Since the 1960s Europe has admitted large numbers of Arab immigrants into its labor force. Throwing Jews under the bus thus makes for cheaper policing allowing larger funds to be spent on social programs while the "crimes" of Israel are wielded as a blind to divert attention from kickbacks, bribes, and graft.

That can happen if you colonize our lands (albeit for a short period of time). The Arab world is the neighbor of Europe and the Arab diaspora (one of the biggest in the world) will stay in Europe as long as they want to.

Anyway this has nothing to do with Arabs who are still a small minority in every single European state. It's about Europe finally realizing that Israel is not the "saint" in this conflict and that the current Israeli regime is detrimental for peace and a two-state solution.

You need to come to terms with this reality. It's only going to be "worse" on this front. As partially European and a person that grew up in France for large parts of my life and who has now been based in Denmark for quite some time I can tell you that this is the majority opinion of most politicians. The only exception being right-wingers but even among that public they are realizing it.

Too bad "cousin". But you have daddy (US) to protect you so no worries for the time being. You can commit all the crimes you want without being held responsible. Killing 1000 civilians overnight as well and screaming "Anti-Semite" the next. Obviously.

 

[jamahir]

irrespective of what israel has done, hamas should be condemned as the criminal group it is... hamas is no different from taliban... what has hamas brought to gaza except mullahs and burqas... when hamas has not even considered the "isratin" solution of muammar gaddafi, why are pdf members defending hamas.

@Solomon2 you avoided talking last time about "isratin"... please do so now.

 

[Solomon2]

...You need to come to terms with this reality. It's only going to be "worse" on this front. As partially European and a person that grew up in France for large parts of my life and who has now been based in Denmark for quite some time I can tell you that this is the majority opinion of most politicians. The only exception being right-wingers but even among that public they are realizing it.

Imo the threat is less to Israel than to Europe's own nations falling prey to subversion.

...Too bad "cousin". But you have daddy (US) to protect you so no worries for the time being.

That's backwards. What you and many others are forgetting is that the U.S. and Israel cut a deal in the 1973 Yom Kippur War, when Israel's forces crossed Suez and were within artillery range of Damascus: in exchange for Israel not destroying the Sadat and Assad regimes the U.S. would make Israel the preponderant military power in the Middle East, capable of defeating any combination of foes. That commitment has not changed; the Obama Administration's policy is to give Israel every military support while denying Israel almost all political support. So if the U.S. decreases its political support while Israel still faces enemies committed to its destruction, what option do you think Israel will exercise?

You can commit all the crimes you want without being held responsible. Killing 1000 civilians overnight -

You're already aware that just about every accusation of Israeli "crimes" against Arab civilians is false. It's a shocking contrast to the Arab reality.

 

[Turkish_FR]

Please dont allow Zionist propaganda in this forum. I really cant tolerate this situation.

 

[Audio]

The report said the EU has described the move as “a technicality” and “temporary,” and that its stance on Hamas has not changed.

EU to 'temporarily remove Hamas' from its list of terror groups | The Times of Israel

 

[Steve781]

The EU have said it is merely a technicality and are looking for ways to legally prove Hamas is involved in terrorism which will not be hard.

 

[ashok321]

Hamas, whose charter specifically calls for the destruction of the state of Israel, is listed as a terrorist organization by the United States, Canada, Japan, Australia, the United Kingdon and the European Union and is banned in Jordan

Israel At 'War to the Bitter End,' Strikes Key Hamas Sites | Fox News

 

[Falcon29]

Netanyahu: Hypocritical Europeans have learned nothing from Holocaust - Israel News, Ynetnews

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday said Europeans appeared to have learned nothing from the Holocaust, condemning the European Union's decision to remove Hamas from its terror list.

"In Luxemburg the European court removed Hamas from the list of terrorist organisations, Hamas that has committed countless war crimes and countless terror acts," Netanyahu's office quoted him as saying.

He went on to say that "It seems that too many in Europe, on whose soil six million Jews were slaughtered, have learned nothing."

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Netanyahu slams Geneva conference
Netanyahu also lambasted an international conference in Geneva that he said sought to probe accusations of Israeli war crimes.

Among the concerns raised in the 10-point declaration adopted Wednesday are that Israel should "fully and effectively" respect the Fourth Geneva Convention meant to protect civilians during times of war including in East Jerusalem and other occupied territories.

"Today we witnessed staggering examples of European hypocrisy," Netanyahu said. "In Geneva they call for the investigation of Israel for war crimes."

Both the United States and Israel shunned the talks, held amid mounting tensions between Palestinians and Israelis, warning that the event threatened Switzerlands role as neutral arbiter.

Paul Fivat, Switzerland's special ambassador for the Geneva Conventions, said that the intention was "not to accuse, it was not a tribunal.. it was a place simply for the parties to reiterate what is international law".

"This declaration is a signal that is being sent to conflicting parties, especially the civilian populations, that there is a law which is protecting their interests," he told reporters.

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Justification of murder?

Then those attacks against Israelis are a result of 7 decades of war, racism, oppression and stealing of their lands. You call them terrorists, but you don't consider yourselves terrorists.

Israel launches 500 air raids per day during their assault on Gaza. Only 70-90 rockets fired per day from Gaza, most of them during same period of 10 minutes launched. So let's say 500 loon wants to blame rockets for civilian deaths. So about 6 rocket launchers needed to fire that many rockets or even 10 lets say. That means 10 air raids needed. The other 490 air raids are used to target civilians, civilian infrastructure. Literally the whole world realized that in this last war on Gaza. Even US couldn't put it under table. The guy is foolish if he believes we fall for his propaganda. Israel exclusively targets civilians, just as in Lebanon war. 200 of first 208 deaths were all civilians.

Regarding the bombings, they have ended them long ago but they occurred during intifada which saw 47 Palestinians killed on first day. Of course inhumane Israeli's don't want people to understand what drove them to violence.

Hamas, whose charter specifically calls for the destruction of the state of Israel, is listed as a terrorist organization by the United States, Canada, Japan, Australia, the United Kingdon and the European Union and is banned in Jordan

Israel At 'War to the Bitter End,' Strikes Key Hamas Sites | Fox News

Not true.

Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto | World news | The Guardian

 

[Audio]

Netanyahu's antics will surely not be appreciated.
Israel was asked not to make a big deal out of this technicality that the data pointing to some organization (Hamas in this case) being a terrorist outfit must be compiled by European sources and not American as it was up until now. Israeli gov. was even briefed about this in advance.

Jews seem to have the innate ability to make a forest fire out of one wet match and no tinder.
And yes, this goes to the both posting in this thread, immediately jumping on the "Yuropeans hate the Joos 'cuz of xyz" band wagon.
Or if throwing under the bus means you get subs that can launch nuclear tipped cruise missiles, subsidized to an extent of 30-50% (depending on source) , please, sign me up, where's the nearest bus station frequented by a crazy driver?

I read on another forum this is happy hannuka present from the EU. That made me chuckle a bit! What can i say, i like dry humour!

 

[Falcon29]

Now take a look at these Israeli "offences" and the number of civilians it has killed:

2014 Israel–Gaza conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Gaza War (2008–09) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sabra and Shatila massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
King David Hotel bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And here is the list of assassinations carried out by Israel. Most of them were scientists.
List of Israeli assassinations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't forget(Just some examples):

August 20, 1937 - June 29, 1939. During this period, the Zionists carried out a series of attacks against Arab buses, resulting in the death of 24 persons and wounding 25 others.

November 25, 1940. S.S.Patria was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Haifa harbour, killing 268 illegal Jewish immigrants (see below).

November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.

July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central offices of the civilian administration of the government of Palestine, killing or injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun officially claimed responsibility for the incident, but subsequent evidence indicated that both the Haganah and the Jewish Agency were involved.

October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.

June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.

September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)

December 11, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 13,1947. Zionist terrorists, believed to be members of Irgun Zvai Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab cafe; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons.

December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

December 30,1947. A mixed force of the Zionist Palmach and the "Carmel Brigade" attacked the village of Balad al Sheikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.

Jewish-Zionist Terror.

 

[500]

Not true.

Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto | World news | The Guardian

Hamas never changed its charter:

Israel launches 500 air raids per day during their assault on Gaza.

500 air raids per day x 50 days = 25,000 air raids. How many were killed in Gaza?