Hamas miscalculation?

[nahtanbob]

October 7th, 2023, Hamas caught IDF and Israel security apparatus off guard.
According to reports:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/14/middleeast/united-nations-staff-deaths-gaza-intl-hnk/index.html

More than 1,400 people have been killed in Israel, with 6,900 others injured. At least 32 of those killed are Americans. And Israeli officials say 239 people are being held hostage in Gaza.

39th day into Israel Gaza War, Hamas is no where to be seen, just few sporadic attacks here and there.

IDF land forces strength:

169,500 active military personnel
465,000 reserve forces
2,200+ tanks
530 artillery (SP, Towed, MRL, MOR).

Destroying few tanks and other vehicles, few dozen IDF soldiers hasn't/wouldn't dent IDF.

Deaths in Gaza:

11,180 people killed in Israeli airstrikes, including 4,609 children, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health in Ramallah, which draws its figures from the Hamas-controlled territory.

Hamas hiding in their tunnels, they don't have any situational awareness, and they are no where to be seen defending the Gazan Population.

They may claim to have highlighted Palestine once again, but USA won't be settling Palestine issue in favor of Palestine. All Arab countries are with US and Israel for trade and commerce with Israel and New Middle east.

I do not support or condone Hamas actions on October 7th in any way.
In Hamas defense what is the alternative here ?

 

[Menace2Society]

 

[ziaulislam]

October 7th, 2023, Hamas caught IDF and Israel security apparatus off guard.
According to reports:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/14/middleeast/united-nations-staff-deaths-gaza-intl-hnk/index.html

More than 1,400 people have been killed in Israel, with 6,900 others injured. At least 32 of those killed are Americans. And Israeli officials say 239 people are being held hostage in Gaza.

39th day into Israel Gaza War, Hamas is no where to be seen, just few sporadic attacks here and there.

IDF land forces strength:

169,500 active military personnel
465,000 reserve forces
2,200+ tanks
530 artillery (SP, Towed, MRL, MOR).

Destroying few tanks and other vehicles, few dozen IDF soldiers hasn't/wouldn't dent IDF.

Deaths in Gaza:

11,180 people killed in Israeli airstrikes, including 4,609 children, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health in Ramallah, which draws its figures from the Hamas-controlled territory.

Hamas hiding in their tunnels, they don't have any situational awareness, and they are no where to be seen defending the Gazan Population.

They may claim to have highlighted Palestine once again, but USA won't be settling Palestine issue in favor of Palestine. All Arab countries are with US and Israel for trade and commerce with Israel and New Middle east.

Only miscalculation was that Hamas thought Arabs kings were not gay
But seems they were wrong

All of them are gay.
Israel water comes from Jordan
Imports from UAE
AND
OIL from Turkey azeribhaijan

I do not support or condone Hamas actions on October 7th in any way.
In Hamas defense what is the alternative here ?

Nothing
Hamas knew it may end up like this and they are okay with it

Because better to die with a bang then dying slowly

 

[Species]

October 7th, 2023, Hamas caught IDF and Israel security apparatus off guard.
According to reports:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/14/middleeast/united-nations-staff-deaths-gaza-intl-hnk/index.html

More than 1,400 people have been killed in Israel, with 6,900 others injured. At least 32 of those killed are Americans. And Israeli officials say 239 people are being held hostage in Gaza.

39th day into Israel Gaza War, Hamas is no where to be seen, just few sporadic attacks here and there.

IDF land forces strength:

169,500 active military personnel
465,000 reserve forces
2,200+ tanks
530 artillery (SP, Towed, MRL, MOR).

Destroying few tanks and other vehicles, few dozen IDF soldiers hasn't/wouldn't dent IDF.

Deaths in Gaza:

11,180 people killed in Israeli airstrikes, including 4,609 children, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health in Ramallah, which draws its figures from the Hamas-controlled territory.

Hamas hiding in their tunnels, they don't have any situational awareness, and they are no where to be seen defending the Gazan Population.

They may claim to have highlighted Palestine once again, but USA won't be settling Palestine issue in favor of Palestine. All Arab countries are with US and Israel for trade and commerce with Israel and New Middle east.

Hamas's main objective was to disrupt Saudi-Israeli dialogues. They don't really care about other consequences.

Hamas won't be able to justify their existence if Israel stops their atrocities against Palestinians.

This war is fully benefitting Hamas. Now even the people in West Bank are sympathizing with them, weakening the position of Fatah.

 

[Foinikas]

They know Israel for over 70 years.
What was their plan?

Israel has been just bombing Gaza making it a rubble, they started ground invasion Oct 30th and Palestinian Fighters hiding in burrows.
What they did to protect Palestinian civilians?
4800 children just massacred.
Horrendous.

Their plan? As always to take revenge,show extremist Muslims around the world that Hamas is still worth their money(to get funding)and stay relevant in the "resistance" movement. In their mind,a move that has absolutely no strategic significance,but is only about revenge and terror,is worth it. That's their mindset. It will also make people stop complaining about their management of Gaza. And if the enemy bombed them? The more "martyrs",the more victims to show the world and get sympathy.

But they fucked it up this time. Because they gave Netanyahu the excuse he wanted to destroy Gaza. They basically helped his right-wing government unite the country and silence any opposition. You saw the police punching the Anti-Zionist Jews.

 

[Silicon0000]

They know Israel for over 70 years.
What was their plan?

Israel has been just bombing Gaza making it a rubble, they started ground invasion Oct 30th and Palestinian Fighters hiding in burrows.
What they did to protect Palestinian civilians?
4800 children just massacred.
Horrendous.

Do you think what Israel is doing is right? If what happening in Gaza is about Hamas then what about west bank, are they leaving in heaven with piece? What is happening is bound to happen, It's suited to Israel more than Hamas. Their main objective is creation of greater Israel. Hamas objective is not to save Palestine people life, that could easily be done with a migration and Israel will be more than happy to pay them well for this. Its about freedom of their land from settlers. Its about freedom of Bait ul Muqadas.

 

[VkdIndian]

Hamas messed up big time. If they were working on presumption of support from the Arab world then there is no one more stupid then them. What stopped them for actually checking before the attack, if the support will come or not. Why presuming?

Second miscalculation was not expecting the response that came from Israel. Will they achieve the objective of getting Israel out? I guess not. And they would also lose all their tunnels and fighting capability.

 

[delta2]

Lol!

There was no Hamas miscalculation or a Hamas attack. It was a 100% inside job and a green screen in a studio somewhere. For all you know it was actors hired for a movie role.

There is no proof of anything. Only claims and propaganda and lying machines like the CNN and FOX etc!

 

[Silicon0000]

Hamas messed up big time. If they were working on presumption of support from the Arab world then there is no one more stupid then them. What stopped them for actually checking before the attack, of the support will come or not. Why presuming?

Second miscalculation was not expecting the response that is coming from Israel. Will they achieve the objective of getting Israel out? I guess not. And they would also lose all there tunnels and fighting capability.

What If Hamas knows all this bound to happen against their action? What if they know no body will come to their support? What if they expecting even more intense response from Israel?

 

[JaneBhiDoYaaron]

Great another conspiracy theory. What are your other favourite ones? Mine are that 5G will kill us all, the lizard people, JFK. Jr is going to come back, the Earth is really flat and of course Elvis is still alive.

You forgot moon landing.

 

[buntalanlucu]

I doubt this , HAMAS knew the Israel reaction and they alrready factor in their brutal massacre of civilians for israeli revenge lust.

every day IDF embroiled in GAZA and bombarded in the north , the israeli economy suffers. HAMAS in this for the long game and they wont face IDF head on but day to day ambushes will destroy IDF morale and this is what HAMAS aim

 

[nahtanbob]

Nothing
Hamas knew it may end up like this and they are okay with it

Because better to die with a bang then dying slowly

if Israel eliminates Hamas bases in Gaza it would be a failure for Hamas. It remains to be seen if that happens. I have no first hand proof here. I always felt Israelis looked the other way while Hamas built their strength. I presume this was a political tactic to avoid serious negotiation at a 2-state solution

 

[Falcon29]

Israel miscalculated. It was storming the Al-Aqsa mosque on a daily basis, cursing the Prophet of Islam, torturing and murdering Palestinian prisoners, and murdering Palestinian civilians in the West Bank.

The question about Israel's gross targeting of civilian infrastructure and civilian targets and the gross political endorsement of a genocide is a whole other story.

 

[delta2]

I doubt this , HAMAS knew the Israel reaction and they alrready factor in their brutal massacre of civilians for israeli revenge lust.

every day IDF embroiled in GAZA and bombarded in the north , the israeli economy suffers. HAMAS in this for the long game and they wont face IDF head on but day to day ambushes will destroy IDF morale and this is what HAMAS aim

No.

This is a ploy by the Zionists to change the borders just like in Ukraine.

Israel miscalculated. It was storming the Al-Aqsa mosque on a daily basis, cursing the Prophet of Islam, torturing and murdering Palestinian prisoners, and murdering Palestinian civilians in the West Bank.

The question about Israel's gross targeting of civilian infrastructure and civilian targets and the gross political endorsement of a genocide is a whole other story.

They were hoping to get a reaction but got none, so they ran a false flag with green screens in some studio somewhere to begin the process. They are itching to change borders again and wanted to do it now before any possible heating up of things in the South China Sea.

Things are never as they appear these days.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

It seems to me like people forget that hamas has never hide the fact that they are a radical militant group who public and stated aim is to destroy Israel and that they would NEVER RECOGNISE OR NEGOTIATE WITH ISRAEL and that their aim is to destroy them and claim back all the lost territory. It seems to me like people often forget this fact as well. So if some people think a negotiated settlement is the solution then Hamas is out of the picture and shouldn't even be considered in this regard .
Hamas stated aim is a military solution to the crisis. So if military solution is the goal then the current Israel Hamas war is the desired and reasonable aim. The only thing is that civilians have been collateral damage on both sides.
So people have to take their pick. Diplomatic solution which totally excludes militant groups like Hamas or military one who involves Hamas but favours Israel since they are by far the stronger side militarily.

You forgot the Palestinian chicken coop called West Bank which recognizes Israel. Would you like to live there as a Palestinian.