heartwinlion
BANNED
- Joined
- Feb 16, 2009
- Messages
- 178
- Reaction score
- 0
I think it come into lca mk2 25-30m$ with new engine & ASEA radar
HAL Tejas | Updates, News & Discussions
- Thread starter EagleEyes
- Start date
- Status
I think it come into lca mk2 25-30m$ with new engine & ASEA radar
Jako
BANNED
- Joined
- Mar 23, 2009
- Messages
- 1,871
- Reaction score
- 0
wow ...lca with aesa......when did that happen....and when will india get such a prototype,leave alone export....
heartwinlion
BANNED
- Joined
- Feb 16, 2009
- Messages
- 178
- Reaction score
- 0
from my point of view there are there work which need to be done
1. wepeon testing -- is in under process
2. radar testing -- under process
and after the ioc the final new engine weather it is ge414 or ej200
Jako
BANNED
- Joined
- Mar 23, 2009
- Messages
- 1,871
- Reaction score
- 0
yes right,but like the engine,has there been any kind of steps taken in the aesa procurement.......and what radar is currently used in the lca?? Plz,also give the specifications of the present radar...thnx
heartwinlion
BANNED
- Joined
- Feb 16, 2009
- Messages
- 178
- Reaction score
- 0
I think it will be EL/2052 ASEA
Screaming Skull
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Mar 12, 2009
- Messages
- 1,451
- Reaction score
- 0
IAI is custom building its EL/M-2052 - Active Phased Array Airborne Fire Control Radar according to IAF specifications for LCA in Israel. They will take about a year and a half to deliver it to HAL before HAL seeks IOC from IAF.
Here is a 'The Hindu' article confirming this development.
The Hindu : National : LCA to be fitted with Israeli multi-mode radar
For specs of the EL/M-2052 refer the following links. This is the most advanced AESA radar Israel has ever built.
EL/M-2052 AESA Radar
Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd.
Here is a 'The Hindu' article confirming this development.
The Hindu : National : LCA to be fitted with Israeli multi-mode radar
For specs of the EL/M-2052 refer the following links. This is the most advanced AESA radar Israel has ever built.
EL/M-2052 AESA Radar
Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd.
Screaming Skull
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Mar 12, 2009
- Messages
- 1,451
- Reaction score
- 0
Monday, May 18, 2009
Bangalore: The induction of first squadron of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) to Indian Air Force (IAF) can take place by the end of 2010 or the beginning of 2011 with regular persuasion and monitoring of the LCA programme, the Air Chief Marshal Fali Homi Major said.
The Chief of Air Staff during his farewell visit to Aeronautical Development Agency recently said: IAF is on the transformation stage in the matter of gaining overall capabilities, with the help of organisations such as DRDO, ADA, HAL and other partners.
Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has been a part of IAFs endeavour to attain indigenous status in getting what is required for the nations security.
An official release said that the Chief of Air Staff was affirmative that the ongoing LCA programme would further lead to LCA mark II, MCA and many other projects of self- reliance nature by sprinkling lot of patriotism around.
Earlier, P.S. Subramanyam, Programme Director (CA) and Director of ADA welcomed the gathering. M. Natarajan, the Scientific Advisor to Defence Minister and Chief of DRDO spoke on the LCA programme and the contribution of the Indian Air Force. D. Banerjee, Chief Controller, DRDO, presented a memento to the Air Chief. Top officials from the HAL, the DRDO and other participating agencies were present.
The Hindu : National : LCA induction into IAF likely by 2010: Air Chief
gubbi
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Feb 25, 2009
- Messages
- 4,536
- Reaction score
- 1
- Country
- Location
What are the changes or upgrades to be incorporated in LCA MkII?
I would definitely love to see, on the outside, a longer fuselage with more internal fuel capacity, CFTs, rectangular air intakes/dsi intakes, forward canards, radar deflecting surfaces, increased payload and last but not the least a single piece canopy - like the F-16.
I would definitely love to see, on the outside, a longer fuselage with more internal fuel capacity, CFTs, rectangular air intakes/dsi intakes, forward canards, radar deflecting surfaces, increased payload and last but not the least a single piece canopy - like the F-16.
heartwinlion
BANNED
- Joined
- Feb 16, 2009
- Messages
- 178
- Reaction score
- 0
LCA-Tejas has completed 1113 Test Flights successfully. (20-May-09).
LCA has completed 1113 Test Flights successfully
(TD1-233, TD2-305,PV1-193,PV2-124,PV3-144,LSP1-48,LSP2-66).
193rd flight of Tejas PV1 occurred on 19th May 09.
66th flight of Tejas LSP2 occurred on 19th May 09.
LCA has completed 1113 Test Flights successfully
(TD1-233, TD2-305,PV1-193,PV2-124,PV3-144,LSP1-48,LSP2-66).
193rd flight of Tejas PV1 occurred on 19th May 09.
66th flight of Tejas LSP2 occurred on 19th May 09.
heartwinlion
BANNED
- Joined
- Feb 16, 2009
- Messages
- 178
- Reaction score
- 0
LCA-Tejas has completed 1118 Test Flights successfully. (26-May-09).
(26-May-09)Tejas-LCA
* LCA has completed 1118 Test Flights successfully
(TD1-233, TD2-305,PV1-196,PV2-124,PV3-144,LSP1-48,LSP2-68).
* 196th flight of Tejas PV1 occurred on 25th May 09.
* 68th flight of Tejas LSP2 occurred on 25th May 09.
(26-May-09)Tejas-LCA
* LCA has completed 1118 Test Flights successfully
(TD1-233, TD2-305,PV1-196,PV2-124,PV3-144,LSP1-48,LSP2-68).
* 196th flight of Tejas PV1 occurred on 25th May 09.
* 68th flight of Tejas LSP2 occurred on 25th May 09.
heartwinlion
BANNED
- Joined
- Feb 16, 2009
- Messages
- 178
- Reaction score
- 0
India readies its light combat aircraft - upiasia.com
India readies its light combat aircraft
Toronto, ON, Canada, — Take lightweight composite materials and build a very capable airframe. To this, add a highly advanced avionics suite from Israel, a U.S.-made high-thrust engine for Mach 2 capability, a 23-mm rapid-fire gun and an array of Indian and Russian air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles. The end product is a lightweight, fourth-generation dogfighter combat jet. This is India’s newest fighter aircraft.
The aircraft will replace the aging but highly capable MiG-21s in India’s inventory. Priced at US$20-25 million, it will appeal to third world air forces looking for value at affordable prices.
In his “Fighter Planes 1960-2002,” Lemoine Julien describes the Indian light combat aircraft: “The fighter has been designed to match the demands of modern combat scenario of speed, acceleration, maneuverability and agility. It also incorporates modern design concepts like static instability, digital fly by wire, modern avionics, multi-mode radar … etc.”
India’s project is unlike a similar one by China that is greatly disadvantaged by an Israeli-designed frame and other parts reverse engineered with Russian and U.S. technologies, making it difficult to sell outside China’s sphere of influence. Most countries prefer to buy original technologies.
In the next 20 years, 4,000 combat aircraft of all designs are due for replacement all over the world. The timing is perfect for India’s light combat aircraft, which is currently undergoing trials. It is expected to be inducted into India’s air force in 2010 and available for export five years later. Flying the Indian Air Force’s colors successfully will be a reassurance to future buyers.
The label of light combat aircraft is mainly due to materials in the airframe. Its loaded weight is expected to be 11 tons, while that of a medium combat aircraft is 15 tons. The aircraft is comparable to fighters like the F-16, F-18, Rafael, Grippen, Su-30, and Eurofighter, which have superior metal airframes. Therefore they have been around much longer and perform the dual role of a bomber as well. They are priced in the US$40 to $60 million range.
A heavy combat aircraft fully loaded and fueled weighs above 20 tons. The Russian-built Sukhoi-MK1, supplied to India, is in this category and is the world’s best. Its Israeli-supplied avionics and most advanced Russian missiles helped it beat the U.S. F-15 and F-16 fighter jets in simulated combat. This got the U.S. Air Force so concerned that it asked to speed up the development of the superior F-22 Raptor.
The project, conceived in 1985, received its first government funding only in 1993. Its maiden flight was on Jan. 4, 2001. In between, its development was grounded when former U.S. President Bill Clinton ordered sanctions on India after it conducted a nuclear test in 1998. Engine integration to the aircraft was held up and so was the software developed for its avionics suite. It was a two-year setback.
Since its maiden flight in 2001 a number of models have been built and locally developed engines have been tested. Also, integrating several technologies from different sources has been successfully undertaken. Its weapons integration and high altitude airfield usage was recently undertaken. Its weapons suite is one of the most modern and original, designed to scare enemy ranks.
Enemy missiles cannot catch the aircraft because its composite material prevents a missile lock. Also its lightweight and high-thrust engines give it better maneuverability than the J-10 or Pakistan’s version of the JF-17 Thunder.
Its design philosophy is reminiscent of the Indian-made Gnat fighter, which in 1965 played havoc with the much-touted U.S.-built F-86 Saber jet. The latter was heavy and had difficulty chasing the very light and highly maneuverable Gnat fighters. Saber’s missiles would fly off the mark, as the Gnat turned and spiraled away on the dime.
Although Pakistan claimed to have shot down a number of Gnat fighters in the 1965 war with India, this was pure marketing propaganda for the Americans, who were selling the Saber jets in the world market and needed some outlandish claims.
What the Pakistanis shot down on the first day of the war were subsonic Vampire fighters of World War II vintage. The Vampires were sent to bust Pakistan’s tank columns heading toward Jammu in India. The Pakistanis incorrectly labeled the Vampires as Gnats.
The versatility of the light combat aircraft is in its modern heads-up display and hands-on throttle and stick, which provide accurate targeting information and reduce pilot fatigue during combat. Fly by wire is an added advantage during a dogfight.
The state-of-the-art multi-mode radar, laser designator pod, forward-looking infrared and other optima electronic sensors provide the pilot very accurate targeting information. An advanced electronic warfare suite gives it a high survivability factor during deep penetration into enemy territory. A 32-bit processor provides mission control and flight management.
It also carries the world’s best R-73 missile of Russian origin. Its wings have three hard points each and one extra under the fuselage to carry a variety of bombs and missiles. Its high-performance radar gives it a beyond-visual-range missile attack capability. Its total weapons payload is 4,000 kilograms, which is high in its own class.
The Chinese J-10 is basically Israeli designed and the cancelled “Lavi” fighter. It is another lightweight fighter in the market and has all the right design characteristics except for some of its avionics. The other electronics and weapon systems are pirated copies. China watchers have classified it as a bit higher than a third-generation aircraft based on original technologies by the Israelis in its design and development. Later, China added copied technologies but failed to impress analysts.
China’s light combat aircraft are similarly priced as their Indian counterparts at US$25-30 million.
The Pakistani-Chinese designed version of the JF-17 Thunder is a cost-effective light combat aircraft with a price tag under US$20 million and a poorer cousin of the J-10.
India is not yet ready to export its light combat aircraft, as only prototypes have flown. The first combat squadron may begin service in the Indian Air Force in 2010-11. In comparison, the Chinese J-10 has been in service for the past three years. The Pakistani JF-17 Thunder is an unnecessary waste of money, for prestige only. While China’s advantage of early delivery is now over, air forces of the world will nevertheless watch both Chinese and Indian aircraft before they make a decision.
None of the planes discussed above have flown in combat, which is their true test. That may not happen for a long time, however, as the presence of a fourth-generation fighter in any nation’s inventory may act as a peacemaker.
India readies its light combat aircraft
Toronto, ON, Canada, — Take lightweight composite materials and build a very capable airframe. To this, add a highly advanced avionics suite from Israel, a U.S.-made high-thrust engine for Mach 2 capability, a 23-mm rapid-fire gun and an array of Indian and Russian air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles. The end product is a lightweight, fourth-generation dogfighter combat jet. This is India’s newest fighter aircraft.
The aircraft will replace the aging but highly capable MiG-21s in India’s inventory. Priced at US$20-25 million, it will appeal to third world air forces looking for value at affordable prices.
In his “Fighter Planes 1960-2002,” Lemoine Julien describes the Indian light combat aircraft: “The fighter has been designed to match the demands of modern combat scenario of speed, acceleration, maneuverability and agility. It also incorporates modern design concepts like static instability, digital fly by wire, modern avionics, multi-mode radar … etc.”
India’s project is unlike a similar one by China that is greatly disadvantaged by an Israeli-designed frame and other parts reverse engineered with Russian and U.S. technologies, making it difficult to sell outside China’s sphere of influence. Most countries prefer to buy original technologies.
In the next 20 years, 4,000 combat aircraft of all designs are due for replacement all over the world. The timing is perfect for India’s light combat aircraft, which is currently undergoing trials. It is expected to be inducted into India’s air force in 2010 and available for export five years later. Flying the Indian Air Force’s colors successfully will be a reassurance to future buyers.
The label of light combat aircraft is mainly due to materials in the airframe. Its loaded weight is expected to be 11 tons, while that of a medium combat aircraft is 15 tons. The aircraft is comparable to fighters like the F-16, F-18, Rafael, Grippen, Su-30, and Eurofighter, which have superior metal airframes. Therefore they have been around much longer and perform the dual role of a bomber as well. They are priced in the US$40 to $60 million range.
A heavy combat aircraft fully loaded and fueled weighs above 20 tons. The Russian-built Sukhoi-MK1, supplied to India, is in this category and is the world’s best. Its Israeli-supplied avionics and most advanced Russian missiles helped it beat the U.S. F-15 and F-16 fighter jets in simulated combat. This got the U.S. Air Force so concerned that it asked to speed up the development of the superior F-22 Raptor.
The project, conceived in 1985, received its first government funding only in 1993. Its maiden flight was on Jan. 4, 2001. In between, its development was grounded when former U.S. President Bill Clinton ordered sanctions on India after it conducted a nuclear test in 1998. Engine integration to the aircraft was held up and so was the software developed for its avionics suite. It was a two-year setback.
Since its maiden flight in 2001 a number of models have been built and locally developed engines have been tested. Also, integrating several technologies from different sources has been successfully undertaken. Its weapons integration and high altitude airfield usage was recently undertaken. Its weapons suite is one of the most modern and original, designed to scare enemy ranks.
Enemy missiles cannot catch the aircraft because its composite material prevents a missile lock. Also its lightweight and high-thrust engines give it better maneuverability than the J-10 or Pakistan’s version of the JF-17 Thunder.
Its design philosophy is reminiscent of the Indian-made Gnat fighter, which in 1965 played havoc with the much-touted U.S.-built F-86 Saber jet. The latter was heavy and had difficulty chasing the very light and highly maneuverable Gnat fighters. Saber’s missiles would fly off the mark, as the Gnat turned and spiraled away on the dime.
Although Pakistan claimed to have shot down a number of Gnat fighters in the 1965 war with India, this was pure marketing propaganda for the Americans, who were selling the Saber jets in the world market and needed some outlandish claims.
What the Pakistanis shot down on the first day of the war were subsonic Vampire fighters of World War II vintage. The Vampires were sent to bust Pakistan’s tank columns heading toward Jammu in India. The Pakistanis incorrectly labeled the Vampires as Gnats.
The versatility of the light combat aircraft is in its modern heads-up display and hands-on throttle and stick, which provide accurate targeting information and reduce pilot fatigue during combat. Fly by wire is an added advantage during a dogfight.
The state-of-the-art multi-mode radar, laser designator pod, forward-looking infrared and other optima electronic sensors provide the pilot very accurate targeting information. An advanced electronic warfare suite gives it a high survivability factor during deep penetration into enemy territory. A 32-bit processor provides mission control and flight management.
It also carries the world’s best R-73 missile of Russian origin. Its wings have three hard points each and one extra under the fuselage to carry a variety of bombs and missiles. Its high-performance radar gives it a beyond-visual-range missile attack capability. Its total weapons payload is 4,000 kilograms, which is high in its own class.
The Chinese J-10 is basically Israeli designed and the cancelled “Lavi” fighter. It is another lightweight fighter in the market and has all the right design characteristics except for some of its avionics. The other electronics and weapon systems are pirated copies. China watchers have classified it as a bit higher than a third-generation aircraft based on original technologies by the Israelis in its design and development. Later, China added copied technologies but failed to impress analysts.
China’s light combat aircraft are similarly priced as their Indian counterparts at US$25-30 million.
The Pakistani-Chinese designed version of the JF-17 Thunder is a cost-effective light combat aircraft with a price tag under US$20 million and a poorer cousin of the J-10.
India is not yet ready to export its light combat aircraft, as only prototypes have flown. The first combat squadron may begin service in the Indian Air Force in 2010-11. In comparison, the Chinese J-10 has been in service for the past three years. The Pakistani JF-17 Thunder is an unnecessary waste of money, for prestige only. While China’s advantage of early delivery is now over, air forces of the world will nevertheless watch both Chinese and Indian aircraft before they make a decision.
None of the planes discussed above have flown in combat, which is their true test. That may not happen for a long time, however, as the presence of a fourth-generation fighter in any nation’s inventory may act as a peacemaker.
Screaming Skull
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Mar 12, 2009
- Messages
- 1,451
- Reaction score
- 0
LCA-Tejas has completed total 1123 test flights successfully
(TD1-233, TD2-305,PV1-199,PV2-125,PV3-144,LSP1-49,LSP2-68)
Aeronautical Development Agency
(TD1-233, TD2-305,PV1-199,PV2-125,PV3-144,LSP1-49,LSP2-68)
Aeronautical Development Agency
The reason behind this is China aims to defend US instead of any other countries like India, Japan, or even Taiwan. The so called first island Chain on China's eastern border. For aircraft program, The LCA has been delayed. and don't forget what LCA stands for. a light combat aircraft. It is not equal to what China has been producing such as J-10, and J11B which is based on Su-27. Moreover, J10B is about to release sooner or later. it appears that China follows US aircraft development pattern, instead of its conventional Russian way. The engine problem is what bothering Chinese engineers, their WS engine is just like LCA has been delayed. But for sure they will be able to solve problem. After that, God knows what CHinese is going to build.
Screaming Skull
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Mar 12, 2009
- Messages
- 1,451
- Reaction score
- 0
LCA-Tejas has completed total 1135 test flights successfully
(TD1-233, TD2-305,PV1-204,PV2-125,PV3-144,LSP1-51,LSP2-73)
Aeronautical Development Agency
(TD1-233, TD2-305,PV1-204,PV2-125,PV3-144,LSP1-51,LSP2-73)
Aeronautical Development Agency
- Status
Similar threads
