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[RickyBahal]

2035: LCA is still flight testing, Indian officials say the jet will be ready in 2 years at most.

One question : China made JF17 and no one like its current version not even small countries then tell me how useful it is ???

 

[yyetttt]

One question : China made JF17 and no one like its current version not even small countries then tell me how useful it is ???

Correction: *Pakistan and* China made JF-17.

Yes, there are potential customers for JF-17 like Egypt and/or Azerbaijan and/or Turkey and/or Iran. So who does not like it again?

Tell me when any of Indias "indigenious" jets attracted customers?

---------- Post added at 03:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:41 PM ----------

And China and Pakistan have JF-17 in their airforce.

 

[Bukhari.syed]

LCA was never liked by even indian air force even as it costs too much and works less..

 

[RickyBahal]

Correction: *Pakistan and* China made JF-17.

Yes, there are potential customers for JF-17 like Egypt and/or Azerbaijan and/or Turkey and/or Iran. So who does not like it again?

Tell me when any of Indias "indigenious" jets attracted customers?

---------- Post added at 03:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:41 PM ----------

And China and Pakistan have JF-17 in their airforce.

Engine - Russian

Radar - China

All major components are Chinese but still its Pakistani jet ?

Tell me when any of Indias "indigenious" jets attracted customers?

If IAF dnt want current version of Tejas then how can we sell it to others

China and Pakistan have JF-17 in their airforce.

China never uses this incapable fighter

 

[sudhir007]

LSP-7 first flight in 2 weeks: ADA | idrw.org

India’s Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas should have been ideally in the hands of Indian Air Force (IAF) pilots by now as part of the much-awaited user trials. But, the programme has once again lived up to its now-famous reputation of being light, but late. It was exactly on January 10 last year, a sulking IAF gave the Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) to Tejas with riders longer than the cables inside the aircraft! Unhappy with the platform, the IAF chose to grant Tejas only IOC-1 status, and wanted all pending concerns thrashed out.
Its designers – Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and manufacturers – Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) are struggling to push the last two limited series production (LSP-7 & 8) platforms into the flight-line, with many promised dates coming and going like day and night. These two aircraft are meant to be for user trials by IAF pilots.
Sources tell Express that the LSP-7 will fly in ‘two weeks’ with engine ground runs and low-speed taxi trials (LSTT) over. “We will have to do the high-speed taxi trials (HSTT) and then go for the first flight in two weeks’ time. It’s a final configuration aircraft and the integration of new systems are taking considerable time. Once the LSP-7 files, the LSP-8 too will follow suit,” ADA sources claimed.
The programme is closely monitored by the project management team from IAF and reviewed every month by the Deputy Chief of Air Staff.
The IAF Chief too reviews the project once in three months in addition to regular day-to-day assessments by ADA, HAL. “To earn the complete IOC mandate, all open-ended problems need to be closed. Some are critical and time-consuming. Some more missiles need to be fired at different modes,” sources said.
IAF sources tell Express that Tejas will be granted the final IOC only when they are convinced that the aircraft is fit for Squadron flying and not for publicity shows. “There are some more weapon trials (air-to-ground) remaining. We are looking for a complete closure of development phase ahead of the final operational clearance,” sources said.
HAL defended the delays saying that they are genuine. “We have done an LSTT of LSP-7 in December and will go for another one. The fuel-leak and subsequent re-cabling are over and the LSP-7 will fly with some prototype systems. Once the IAF is convinced, we will have the same systems flying on LSP-8,” a senior HAL director said. The official said that the series production version of Tejas will be of new standards, incorporating the final configuration features.
Though the final IOC for Tejas is expected in June 2012, sources say that this could go well beyond October.

 

[RPK]

For Tejas, the wait continues - Bangalore - DNA


January 10, 2011, was supposed to be a big day for the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas programme as it was on this day that the aircraft—under development for more than two decades—was to get the Initial Operational Clearance (IOC), signalling that it has crossed the first hurdle to join Indian Air Force (IAF).

However, on that day, the aircraft was given only partial clearance (IOC-1) for failing to meet the IAF’s requirement. A year after, it is stuck with the IOC-1 tag.

Now, to enter the IAF, the aircraft will first have to get another IOC, which will be followed by rigorous flight testing by IAF pilots. It will also have to pitch for Final Operational Clearance (FOC), stating it is squadron-ready.

Again, to get close to being squadron-ready, the agencies involved in the development of the aircraft will have to deliver two versions of LCA limited series production—LSP-7 and 8—to Aircraft Systems and Testing Establishment (ASTE), IAF’s flight testing institute.

However, the two aircraft—LSP-7 and 8—are yet to take to the skies. They were scheduled to be tested last year and released to the ASTE by now for user trials and for being certified as squadron-fit.

Ministry of defence sources told DNA that LSP-7 would take to the skies in a few weeks, following which it would be released to ASTE for carrying user trials.

During the user trials, the ‘angle of attack’ would be increased from the present 20°-22° to 26°-28° degrees and gravitation (G) limit would be raised from the present 6Gs to 8Gs.

Sources said if the aircraft are realised for user trials as per schedule, FOC could be obtained in two years.

 

[rcrmj]

Engine - Russian

Radar - China

All major components are Chinese but still its Pakistani jet ?



If IAF dnt want current version of Tejas then how can we sell it to others



China never uses this incapable fighter

for LCA
engine = American
weapon = russian
radar = Isreal
Avionics = Isreal
FBW = American
Areodynamics = French
paint = Made in China

if you can claim this 3rd gen upgrade is 'indigenous' why cant Pakistan claim JF-17 is made in Pakistan?

PLAAF not using JF-17 doesnt mean its incapable, its called wise resource alocation as we already have J-10A/B, J-11A/B, JH-7 and others...

 

[Black Widow]

for LCA
engine = American
weapon = russian
radar = Isreal
Avionics = Isreal
FBW = American
Areodynamics = French
paint = Made in China

if you can claim this 3rd gen upgrade is 'indigenous' why cant Pakistan claim JF-17 is made in Pakistan?

PLAAF not using JF-17 doesnt mean its incapable, its called wise resource alocation as we already have J-10A/B, J-11A/B, JH-7 and others...

You are ill-informed
engine = American :-> Later replace with Indian, Even Rafael used the same engine once.
weapon = russian :-> Indian LGB and Indian AAMs are ready to integrate
radar = Isreal :-> Wrong, Processor is Israeli, Code is Indian, Like your PC has intel chip.
Avionics = Isreal :-> Wrong, all Avionics are Indian
FBW = American :-> Wrong Again, FBW is Indian
Areodynamics = French :-> Wrong Again, we paid for their assistance, So its ours.
paint = Made in China :-> Lol Made in china paints are toxic..

Agree with your second part, FC1 is not bad only coz china is not using it. Its a good platform...


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Correction: *Pakistan and* China made JF-17.
Yes, there are potential customers for JF-17 like Egypt and/or Azerbaijan and/or Turkey and/or Iran. So who does not like it again?
Tell me when any of Indias "indigenious" jets attracted customers?
---------- Post added at 03:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:41 PM ----------
And China and Pakistan have JF-17 in their airforce.

Till date what every one knows that FC1 was made by china for Pakistan use. Till date no one knows if China has FC1 in there Air force. Like said, India has not pitch it for sale, then how come any customer come forward for it???

Both of your statement is false. Please bring some proof if you have any, to justify your claim.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Let it be Cinderella's sole thread bros, don't scare her by Thunder.
Let her dance and be beautiful & mature for prince Charming.
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Thunder is made for combat not for research. So no comparison plz. Request to Pakistanis.

 

[rockstarIN]

STICK TO THE TOPIC PLEASE

 

[sancho]

PLAAF not using JF-17 doesnt mean its incapable, its called wise resource alocation

Or in other words, China is smartly using Pakistan (main export customer) as a partner to sell JF 17 as a low cost export fighter. Operationally as you correctly pointed out, JF 17 is not important for PLAAF, since they have way more capable fighters and that's the reason why PLAAF still didn't use in in operational service or ordered it in numbers. Even if they will do it, it has marketing reasons and it might only replace some older and less important squads.
For Pakistan, JF 17 is important not because they really can co-develop it, but because they can improve their own industry with access to the Chinese ToT or the production of parts. Operationally, it offers PAF a base fighter that is cost-effective and uneffected by sanction.

Now when you take all this together you know what LCA means to India!

It's not important for Indian forces from an operational point of view, since they have way more capable fighters (just like PLAAF), but it is aimed to offer a base that will be uneffected by sanctions (just like PAF will have).
Indian industry will be improved (just like Pakistani) and it is aimed to be used as an export fighter (just like China use JF 17 for exports)

So the overall aim of both fighters is exactly the same, the difference is only how these aims will be achived, so lets keep it that way and get back to topic again!

 

[dearone4u_22]

for LCA
paint = Made in China

Any proof of this mate or just assume that everything is made in china ..... go see a doctor for your verbal diarrhea

 

[sancho]

Ministry of defence sources told DNA that LSP-7 would take to the skies in a few weeks, following which it would be released to ASTE for carrying user trials.

During the user trials, the ‘angle of attack’ would be increased from the present 20°-22° to 26°-28° degrees and gravitation (G) limit would be raised from the present 6Gs to 8Gs.

At least some progress and as expected the AoA issue is over.

 

[RPK]

Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence: A YEAR AFTER TEJAS IOC-1: Sulking IAF waits for India's light, but late fighter | LSP-7 first flight in 2 weeks(!!): ADA | Delays genuine: HAL


By Anantha Krishnan M
Express News Service


Bangalore: India's Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas should have been ideally in the hands of Indian Air Force (IAF) pilots by now as part of the much-awaited user trials. But, the programme has once again lived up to its now-famous reputation of being light, but late. It was exactly on January 10 last year, a sulking IAF gave the Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) to Tejas with riders longer than the cables inside the aircraft! Unhappy with the platform, the IAF chose to grant Tejas only IOC-1 status, and wanted all pending concerns thrashed out.
Its designers – Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and manufacturers – Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) are struggling to push the last two limited series production (LSP-7 & 8) platforms into the flight-line, with many promised dates coming and going like day and night. These two aircraft are meant to be for user trials by IAF pilots.
Sources tell Express that the LSP-7 will fly in 'two weeks' with engine ground runs and low-speed taxi trials (LSTT) over. “We will have to do the high-speed taxi trials (HSTT) and then go for the first flight in two weeks' time. It's a final configuration aircraft and the integration of new systems are taking considerable time. Once the LSP-7 files, the LSP-8 too will follow suit,” ADA sources claimed.
The programme is closely monitored by the project management team from IAF and reviewed every month by the Deputy Chief of Air Staff. The IAF Chief too reviews the project once in three months in addition to regular day-to-day assessments by ADA, HAL. “To earn the complete IOC mandate, all open-ended problems need to be closed. Some are critical and time-consuming. Some more missiles need to be fired at different modes,” sources said.
IAF sources tell Express that Tejas will be granted the final IOC only when they are convinced that the aircraft is fit for Squadron flying and not for publicity shows. “There are some more weapon trials (air-to-ground) remaining. We are looking for a complete closure of development phase ahead of the final operational clearance,” sources said.
HAL defended the delays saying that they are genuine. “We have done an LSTT of LSP-7 in December and will go for another one. The fuel-leak and subsequent re-cabling are over and the LSP-7 will fly with some prototype systems. Once the IAF is convinced, we will have the same systems flying on LSP-8,” a senior HAL director said. The official said that the series production version of Tejas will be of new standards, incorporating the final configuration features.
Though the final IOC for Tejas is expected in June 2012, sources say that this could go well beyond October.

 

[tvsram1992]

Np 1 would be a great achievement