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[GuardianRED]

Pal stop being pedantic. The RFI leads to a tender, unless the IAF is non-serious and just floats RFIs because it has nothing else to do!

Lol... It is called being Technical. Stop making A joke of yourself

 

[DarX]

'LCA Tejas supposed to replace MiG 21' is a hype created by media. LCA Tejas was to build an ecosystem that can in future design and build a fighter aircraft in India was the stand of DRDO from the start. We just have an existing ecosystem to manufacture and assemble a fighter aircraft but designing and building is very difficult. I think you would have faced it in your school projects too. Whatever you imagined wont be possible because of either difficulty in acquiring things or poor finances.

According to me LCA in its MK1A avatar is the best that we can do with the aircraft. Everything happens slow as India is a reservation based country rather than a merit or distinction based country. Mediocrity is the mantra as in most of south asia where we take pride in working for our white masters. But still the LCA brought in Engine design, Avionics development, and a whole number of labs for each and every component. That is what LCA did. It is too little too late. And $20 billion invested in this will yeild more dividends in future compared to the $20 billion invested in Rafale.

LCA showed us our limitations and the big mouth that most of the people in the PSU have. They talk more and work less nowadays. Too much red tapism and committees formed for over seeing committees which are supposed to over see a bunch of people. This is what caused the LCA to be dragged on. It took only 8 months for the LCA twin seater to go from scratch to prototype because it had a very small group developing it and was directly overseen by the ADA chief. That is why the design departments are always small and focussed group...once it becomes bigger it drags its feet. Like they say 'Too many cooks spoil the broth'. That stays true for LCA.

Of course the LCA Tejas program has forced the creation of many local organisations in India which are now working towards the development of advanced equipment. There is no argument against that. It is a difficult process and all the progress up till now in this project is commendable. Those are things that any rational person would understand.

Pakistan has done well by keeping smaller targets and participating in a JV with the Chinese because that is what our resources allowed. India has gone for the larger target because it deemed that affordable and achievable.

Lol... It is called being Technical. Stop making A joke of yourself

Haha.. Too much of this phobia about "technicalities" has made a joke of the LCA Tejas program, and all of the other Indian ventures too.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Of course the LCA Tejas program has forced the creation of many local organisations in India which are now working towards the development of advanced equipment. There is no argument against that. It is a difficult process and all the progress up till now in this project is commendable. Those are things that any rational person would understand.

Pakistan has done well by keeping smaller targets and participating in a JV with the Chinese because that is what our resources allowed. India has gone for the larger target because it deemed that affordable and achievable.



Haha.. Too much of this phobia about "technicalities" has made a joke of the LCA Tejas program, and all of the other Indian ventures too.

Simple we had money and we knew we cant command respect on borrowed power and our economy permitted it. You had to take the route of JF 17 as that was the easier way out. I still won't call it a JV as most of the design was done by the CAC. Pakistan must rather focus on improving avionics and missile systems rather than the platform. Taking the Israeli path would be an easier task for you and end up making the J 31 a more customized version for Pakistan like how Israelis do with their F 16 and F 35s.

With the whole world moving towards Medium size combat aircrafts the Ligter airframes like the LCA, JF 17 and Gripen are becoming redundant. This is not the cold war where we will have bombers flying into airspace in huge numbers and since these aircrafts have piss poor range after a single engagement they would not have fuel to continue with the mission.

 

[GuardianRED]

Of course the LCA Tejas program has forced the creation of many local organisations in India which are now working towards the development of advanced equipment. There is no argument against that. It is a difficult process and all the progress up till now in this project is commendable. Those are things that any rational person would understand.

Pakistan has done well by keeping smaller targets and participating in a JV with the Chinese because that is what our resources allowed. India has gone for the larger target because it deemed that affordable and achievable.



Haha.. Too much of this phobia about "technicalities" has made a joke of the LCA Tejas program, and all of the other Indian ventures too.

And the Making a Joke of yourself continues ... with many of the funny post of yours , u have zero info on any program in india. ... so please do more.... We all thank you for the Laughs!

 

[DarX]

And the Making a Joke of yourself continues ... with many of the funny post of yours , u have zero info on any program in india. ... so please do more.... We all thank you for the Laughs!

Laughing without reason is a classic defense mechanism.

 

[GuardianRED]

Laughing without reason is a classic defense mechanism.

U do know that you are the creator of all the laughs .... thus that make you the life of the Party

 

[Han Patriot]

Chinese.

Speed is used to give the defense less time. It is not about moving targets.

You still don't get it, you don't use laser cutter to chop firewood. India has no choice coz they can't make an axe but only has a Russian laser cutter. You get what I mean?

But as you fooled your partners , they are presenting it as competitive with su-30's

Correct them, otherwise your junk may blew up in mid air


We know that it's STEALTHY but tell me the meaning of PIG in the below pic:

I can't force everyone to think like me, and it's only my own opinion. LCA is stealthy? Bro, seriously please be logical, it's looks like a mini mirage.... I will give praise when it is due but LCA is definitely not worthy of my acknowledgement.

 

[X_Killer]

I more or less agree with your point that the current versions of the JF-17 don't have much higher capabilities than the J-7PG they are replacing and they still have a long way to go before they truly become a 4th generation fighter jet. It is also a fact that the PAF urgently required fighter jets to replace their worn out legacy planes and so inducted the JF-17 as a matter of necessity.

But I do question the other part of your post. According to all of the articles I've read, the LCA Tejas was supposed to replace the MIGs as the main second line fighter bomber of the IAF. Not being able to induct them in a timely manner has led to the IAF's force levels falling to critical levels, and no less than the IAF chief has voiced concerns about this. The delay in the LCA Tejas has also forced the IAF to initiate the tender for large number of foreign single engined fighters to be built in India (these planes are also being lined up to replace the Migs). Now I don't think it is not illogical to think that if the LCA Tejas was available, the IAF could've saved the $20 billion that this new tender is expected to cost, and induct a much larger number of Dassault Rafales in its place.

So it seems like it wasn't only a matter of choice which led to the delay in the induction of the LCA Tejas into the IAF.

Inducting a failed Chinese Project with chest thumping will never be a success.

It may be good for only science project instead of calling it a war Ready jet.

Lol... It is called being Technical. Stop making A joke of yourself

To understand the technical hierarchy for procurement and induction, they need to learn it.
They will get their eyes open soon, inshallah!

I can't force everyone to think like me, and it's only my own opinion. LCA is stealthy? Bro, seriously please be logical, it's looks like a mini mirage.... I will give praise when it is due but LCA is definitely not worthy of my acknowledgement.

1st. It's China which called LCA as STEALTH. If it's wrong (as you said) , I want to call Chinese as a RETARDS or STUPIDS
2nd. You are free to be creative and relate everything with anything. As you guys prove it in last post's pic , by calling a PIG as a target of J-20. I have my own ideas to think about it

CHEERS

 

[Han Patriot]

1st. It's China which called LCA as STEALTH. If it's wrong (as you said) , I want to call Chinese as a RETARDS or STUPIDS
2nd. You are free to be creative and relate everything with anything. As you guys prove it in last post's pic , by calling a PIG as a target of J-20. I have my own ideas to think about it

CHEERS

No problem man, there are 1 billion chinis, if some are idiots, then go ahead and call them retards. It was just a joke bro, don't be so serious.

 

[X_Killer]

No problem man, there are 1 billion chinis, if some are idiots, then go ahead and call them retards. It was just a joke bro, don't be so serious.

I'm not serious , I was just laughing.
Chicken for F-22 and PIG for J-20.
What a creativity?

 

[Han Patriot]

I'm not serious , I was just laughing.
Chicken for F-22 and PIG for J-20.
What a creativity?

Who says we are just commie drones, we do make jokes after all, one of the meat is actually the infamous Chinese roast pork.

 

[ranadd]

You still don't get it, you don't use laser cutter to chop firewood. India has no choice coz they can't make an axe but only has a Russian laser cutter. You get what I mean?

I believe you are just a stupid troll. On to to the ignore list.

 

[X_Killer]

Who says we are just commie drones, we do make jokes after all, one of the meat is actually the infamous Chinese roast pork.

You are free to roast your Pork but keep in your mind not to hurt Indian sovereignty.

Anyways, I still surprised with your scale to measure the jet's Capability.

 

[MULUBJA]

but at least their country progresses economically.

India regressed esp since 1960 both started same GDP level but one became 5 time richer

#whathappened

No we did not start at the same time. Your GDP is 2 times+ higher than us in PPP. Our era has just begun and we shall surpass you in next two to 3 decades.

Applying for patents and getting them are two different things....

It is like their so called heavy lift rocket. Big talks and no result. Two down with so called revolutionary satellites.

Every country have domestic and external debt , dont be stupid



Thats why india always lag behind.

If ur mentality is the same. China puts its focus on overtaking USA u all put ur focus on fighting pakistan hence wrong goals = failure as a nation

You focused on over taking US and your two rockets fell in sea. We focused on Pakistan and created world record of putting 104 satellites in orbit and reached Mars. Whose focus is worth focusing?

China is the only developing country with a debt to GDP ratio of 300%... and dont even get me started on the Ghost cities... and fake invoicing.. and shadow banks...

Add overstating of GDP to inflate it by many folds.

Why to limit till 95% make it 100% we believe you

Tejas is to replace Mig-21s and its fulfilling its requirements.

No Chinese say that J 20 is F22 killer.

OMG, another Indian is thinking to use supersonic missiles for land attack. Is brahmos your only missile, you can use it for every role it seems. Different missiles with different weight, firepower, range and speed all play different roles. You don't see Russian using Oniks for everything right? Common sense.

Others can not think because they do not have it. You tried to copy but could not succeed.

Why is China showing DF21 when US shows them CBG?

It is a paper missile like many other chinese missile without even a single test. They brag about DF 21 for last 21 years without a single successful test. Chinese weapons become best in the world from day one on which any information about the weapon is published.

Your other friend just told me it was 70% indigenous, now you are telling me a different figure. The same way Indians kill 30 Chinese then 300 Chinese and now 340 Chinese in Sikkim? Not sure why you called JF-17 a failed project, we believe it is enough to achieve parity with LCA, that's why we transferred it to Pakistan. You can choose to believe the 2 or 3 inducted LCA as more advanced, I can't stop you. =)

We means who? Your news paper said that JF 17 is a plane of today but Tejas is a plane of Tomorrow. They said that Tejas is much better.

More than 60% can mean 90% too right, I am questioning the metrics you are using to calculate it.

It can be 100% as well. It depends on your high IQ to interpret what does it mean. Had it been 90%, they would have written 80%+ or 90%. This is a high IQ chinese interpretation.

 

[Han Patriot]

Others can not think because they do not have it. You tried to copy but could not succeed.


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Firstly, you didn't read the whole conversation and you are answering after the whole argument is done. LOL