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But ofcourse a country which has no shame will resort to these statements. What hope a country can have when its president quotes haddith instead of a action plan. Heck it also can never get rid of slave mentality - always will depend on other country to do its work. First it was sucking up to americans, then chinese..soon thoorkey. Your erstwhile east pakistan also managed to evacuate its students, heck even lankans and maldives also evacuated..but you guys dont even have the capability. Utter shame - doesnt matter how you spin it.
Again, let me repeat. Pakistanis are more safer in China then Indians are in India. Am i wrong?
This is the most hilarious explanation. I am seriously amused as to how the population be so gullible. Gafoora mentioned about doosra banda for 2 days - he is not some badshah khan who is sepoy; he is DGISPR. Fog of war - exists for an hour or two ! Not for 2 days..Heck your PM also announced on the floor and even grandiously said 'we will treat doosra banda well'..poor fellow 'A PAF pilot died and was not recognized by its country' ; but then its not surprising, so many NLI were never recognized in kargil as well.
doosra banda is your jeejuu g.
Its only Indian imagination to believe Pakistanis can not recognize a Pakistani who is wearing a pakistani flag and his name on his uniform and the language he speaks.
Every fighter pilot on social media has at least one picture of himself in his fighter jet he flew. that sameer joshi is a bush plane pilot with a monkey hairstyle who looks like this and doodles his imaginations on a picture of contrails.Yup he is a Mirage pilot of the same squadron who intruded into Balakot. So he knows a thing or two. And did you say -- you owned this guy ? Hahahahahahaha...i doubt you can own the kid staying in your building. He is a professional , there are enough professionals in PAF - let them deal with him. You are orbiting at a much lower level.
Why do you keep portraying yourself which is the only thing you are good at in pdf.You took part in nothing ! All you are doing is huffing and puffing nose in pdf - nothing else.People who parrot these kind of dialogues are the ones who usually dont do anything. Rest of the theory - you wrote is garbage.
Its funny how your f-16.net forum "reference" backfired on you big time and you ran away from it.It is never based on singular evidence - its multiple pieces of evidence. 2 parachutes , radar intercepts, comm intercepts, EW signatures , visual sightings , video evidences - everything corborates to the fact that second plane went down and it wasnt a IAF one.
Here is a reference from f-16.net forum member who has provided evidence that mig-21 has two parachutes. one for pilot and one for ejection seat. the ejection seat chute is what made villagers mistake for another pilot.
Alright then, I didn't bother with this crap when the event happened, but now since some still try to concoct some sort of "evidence", let's examine some real evidence, shall we?
This is dedicated to everyone believing in "SECOND PARACHUTE" story irreversibly proving a second aircraft was downed:
Soviet planes had several iterations of ejection seats, including but not limited to K-22, KS, KM-1, KT-1, K-36 etc.
Here's how a K-22, a seat used in MiG-19 worked:
One couldn't help but noticing that a separate stabilizing/main chute deployment parachute exists.
The venerable MiG-21 used several different seats, with early models having KS, which in the later models, including MiG-21bis, were upgraded to KM-1 ejection seat. And it's my pleasure to inform the entire congregation of "Second Chute Church" that after the ejection the seat also deploys it's own parachute and lands in the immediate vicinity of the pilot. "Why would they do that?", one may wonder? Well you see, the seat carried the survival kit for the pilot (НАЗ-7), so it had to land near the pilot for him to be able to use that, as neatly illustrated by this caricature from the polish magazine. Whoever doubts me may type all that text manually into translator. I didn't do that, because I believe it will be pretty identical to the russian sources I found online.
They say that the picture is worth that a thousand words, so let me post some for your entertainment:
Exhibit 1: LNA Fishbed shot down in Libya this summer, pilot ejected, survived, captured. Run a reverse image search to read the details. Please note the holy second chute:
Exhibit 2: Libyan Air Force Flogger (MiG-23 also used KM-1) shot down over Benghazi in spring 2011, pilot ejected, survived. Run a reverse image search to read the details. Please note the holy second chute:
Now to the videos, I found one quite interesting and informative. It's mainly about Soviet K-36 (an impressive specimen to say the least!), but I believe there's footage of Fishbed also (maybe KM-1, maybe modified to accept K-36) at 0:55 mark:
Exhibit 3a: @00:55-01:03 a single person ejects from a plane that looks a lot like Fishbed then transforms into two separate chutes, because the seat has it's own
Exhibit 3b: @01:47-01:54 we see footage of Fullback ejection. It apparently uses older generation of K-36 seat, because two ejected dummies are separatee from their seats... which soon after deploy their own chutes, doubling the number of chutes. Note that the seat chutes are slightly different from persons' chutes. I hope none of you are going to claim a four-seater Fullback exists.
Exhibit 3c: @01:55-02:00 we are treated to a footage of ejection from the tail of a "flying lab". I believe this is also an early gen K-36. As one can notice (watch at 0,25 speed) the seat deploys it's own chute and can be seen dangling near by the pilot in the upper right corner after disappearing from the frame for a second.
"Well why don't you see seat having their own chutes in some well documented crashes at airshows?" Well, I got two versions for that. Either it's disabled/removed because the pilots don't need survival kit at the airshow, OR they were equipped with later gen K-36 (called K-36M, K-36D and K-36D-3,5) which got rid of the seat chute in lieu of strapping survival kit (upgraded to НАЗ-8) directly to the pilot:
Actually, one can see footage @01:16-01:19 of ejected pilot with a raft dangling beneath him after two Fulcrums collided at 1993 RIAT. Or one can look up footage of Fencer shot down by Turks. It also features two pilots parachuting down with rafts dangling beneath them. Su-24 was the first aircraft to feature K-36 seat and thus is eligible to be upgraded to newer K-36 models.
So there you have it: the second chute apparently seen by the locals (but so far absent from any footage) is not a conclusive proof of the second downed aircraft, since MiG-21 would have produced two chutes by itself.
Chalo - atleast you acknowledged your Indian ancestry. Lot of people in this forum are confused about that. Anyways - keep on trying ! Like i said , you lost half of your country in 71 (god bless them, they are doing very well). We are just waiting to split it more. By the way - you guys were planning to do a lot after Article370 , ahem what exactly happened ? Hows the Friday 5 min thing going on ?
The word India and Hind is a foreign given name that you guys accepted as your identity like good slaves. while the word pakistan was made by muslims who did not want to be part of India. lol
PAF does not come up with MS paint propaganda, thats IAF trademark along with "CONSISTENT PACK OF LIES STORIES".Wait i am actually looking at the radar intercepts furnished by PAF. Crap - i was dreaming. Yes , the kind of intercepts which were not furnished by PAF. And they wont. Because their lies will be caught. Tufail tried to publish - but then redacted it. IAF on the other hand - has had one consistent story ! Never , ever changed.
Dont worry it will slowly come out. the thing is PAF is trolling India.Ohh dear sony. You see it doesnt work like that. If you are claiming something - then you have to provide evidence/proof. You guys are claiming that you shot down Su 30 - Now the burden of proof is on you to prove that the one which flew on republic day is not the same. You make a claim, you provide the proof - isnt it elementary ? Ohh wait, thats where education comes in.
Yes thats the official lineWait...what ??????? Thats your rationale...seriously ? Is that the official line ? By the way - can you send me link for official citation of the pilot which shot down Su 30 - please i now really want to read it. What a professional force - but then its not surprising. MM Alams60 second false hood is considered true, so..anythings possible
I am eagerly waiting for 27th and the new evidences that it will herald.
Yes MM alam shot down 6 IAF planes in 60 seconds just like IAF Mig-21 fleet was whipped out in one strike in 1965 war(evidence, HINT "mig-21s did not see any actions after the attack"). lol
You can imagine what ever you want to. But the fact is IAF has only mk-84 that can be "mated" with spice-2000. And their is no such thing as "low" TNT in mk-84.Yeah you just reiterated your lie ! Spice can use many other types of munitions including low TNT ones. You are keeping on harping about only MK 84. Fact is - you dont know.
are you serious ? I mean whats the point ? You are reiterating to make yourself understand ? One more time - trying in a different way. 2000lb's - doesnt mean 1000 lbs of HE or2000 lbs of he. Weight can be 2000 LB's which is why the name SPICE 2000 - the TNT yield will vary depending on the munition and the mission profile.
Indiot, in case of MK-84 2,000lbs means 1,000 lbs of metal and 1,000 of TNT. Its not a lego block which you can simply open and reduce 1,000 of TNT to 200 lbs which then would not be a 2,000lbs. use some logic when you speak.
Nothing wrong ! But you referred Hamid Mir as a shining beacon of asking tough questions to Army. He has become a cheerleader after getting couple of bullets. essentially its a banana republic. And PAK armed forces is the major business organization. Do you know how much business your Armed forces owns ?
Now when you come back from your imaginations, do let me know when independent press can ask question from Indian military.
And you said you had a debate with Sameer ? Spice & Crystal Maze = two differnt munitons. Crystal Maze = Has TV seeker and live image is relayed back. Spice version that we had did not have that capability. So India due to its utter lack of experience in information warefare - never built redudancy into its plan. CrytalMaze malfunctioned and out went the recording. These statements - were told by IAF the exact same day. Again - clear communication ! It will stand test of time - because its the truth.
Stop coming up excuses. footage relay is a standard feature among all spice-2000 and again if one spice-2000 footage system failed then their were 4 other independent spice.
here is a footage of spice operating back in 2010.
High regardof human lives...hehe. Do you even believe what you write ? Or you write because you are convincing yourself. I mean even a kid could see the fallacy in logic here.
HEHE..... the logic is India tried to plot a plan to kill its own citizens by assigning IAF code to passenger airline. It was a deliberate act which can not be done as a mistake.
this was explained earlier, you are just repeating yourself.6 months of air space closure essentially PAF was really spooked ! PAK fazaiya.
thats so that IAF could take cover among passenger flights to avoid further air strikes by PAF. bunch of cowards, first they use passenger flights to use as human shields for IAF and then they send Spicejet with IAF code.Indian airspace was not closed for even 1 minute. What happened that spooked them so much ??
and we actually have chronology of Indian lies... first Spice-2000 lost footage and then have satellite images but can not share them... waahhhWhat a chronology of events - right from crows killed - but we will not take anyone to the site ;
I told you thats your jeejuuu g.we have doosra banda with us
PAF said it was never used in violation of indian sovereignty which mirage and jf-17 did after they drop payload in vicinity of IAF military sites to avoid human casualties. F-16 were used within pak territory which made su-30 and mirage ran away but one su-30 was caught.; we never used F16 - mother promise
what happend to other 4 amraams which iaf claims that were fired? the thing is that amrram was pulled out of su-30 wreckage within few hours of the incident and then rest amraam were never found till this date.; That Amraam is not ours - its Taiwanese Amraam ; i can just go on and on...Anyways truth will come out one day; It always does!