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[Dazzler]

ADA did.

ADA paid Dassault for help developing an improved Dassault Mirage 2000 back in the 1980’s, to replace the ageing Mig-21 fleet, the resulting Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) design became known as the HAL Tejas.

The design and sourcing of systems is/was all above board, as Dassault were paid, as are/were GE, Rafael, Sextant, Martin-Baker, Elbit, Cobham, …, HAL, so most technologies were properly licenced, so minimal plagiarism.

FYI: Flight International (24 Oct 1987) states Dassault-Breguet were contracted to supply 30 top flight engineers to ADA, for $100m ($218.5m in 2017). To aid in the initial design and system integration phases, with GE selected to supply F404-F2J3 engines for the prototypes.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?dq...PA173#v=onepage&q=dassault 1986 india&f=false

Open your eyes, and get some knowledge.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

I m not selling it in the first place.

Good boy, cause like I said, no one buys it.

 

[gslv mk3]

ADA paid Dassault for help developing an improved Dassault Mirage 2000 back in the 1980’s, to replace the ageing Mig-21 fleet, the resulting Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) design became known as the HAL Tejas.

Nice BS

ADA paid Dassault for help developing an improved Dassault Mirage 2000 back in the 1980’s

So Tejas is an improved Mirage 2000 ?

The reality is that Dassult had an advisory role

Project definition commenced in October 1987 with French aircraft major Dassault Aviation as consultants.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120327225622/http://tejas.gov.in:80/history/timeline.html

The design and sourcing of systems is/was all above board, as Dassault were paid, as are/were GE, Rafael, Sextant, Martin-Baker, Elbit, Cobham, …, HAL, so most technologies were properly licenced

More Bs.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

ADA paid Dassault for help developing an improved Dassault Mirage 2000 back in the 1980’s, to replace the ageing Mig-21 fleet, the resulting Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) design became known as the HAL Tejas.

The design and sourcing of systems is/was all above board, as Dassault were paid, as are/were GE, Rafael, Sextant, Martin-Baker, Elbit, Cobham, …, HAL, so most technologies were properly licenced, so minimal plagiarism.

FYI: Flight International (24 Oct 1987) states Dassault-Breguet were contracted to supply 30 top flight engineers to ADA, for $100m ($218.5m in 2017). To aid in the initial design and system integration phases, with GE selected to supply F404-F2J3 engines for the prototypes.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?dq=dassault+1986+india&id=wirzhu5EaqAC&lpg=PA173&ots=11H2YvFz0B&pg=PA173#v=onepage&q=dassault 1986 india&f=false

Open your eyes, and get some knowledge.

Sure, they aided in the design. That doesnt discredit ADAs work as well.

There were several designs, including non-delta, non mirage type models.

ADA, HAL can do what it pleases with this design, if it wants to produce a twin seat variant, it can. If it wants to produce a naval variant it can. If it wants to certify the platform with a refuel probe, it can. The simplest of certifications you cant do without your daddy, please forget designing and importing hardware.

 

[gslv mk3]

See this NAL Project Report @Water Car Engineer

Wind tunnel tests on lca delta-5 configuration part II: results at supersonic speeds and analysis

Narayan, KY and Gopinath, N (1986) Wind tunnel tests on lca delta-5 configuration part II: results at supersonic speeds and analysis. Project Report. National Aerospace Laboratories, Bangalore.

http://nal-ir.nal.res.in/11034/

 

[Dazzler]

Sure, they aided in the design. That doesnt discredit ADAs work as well.

There were several designs, including non-delta, non mirage type models.

ADA, HAL can do what it pleases with this design, if it wants to produce a twin seat variant, it can. If it wants to produce a naval variant it can. If it wants to certify the platform with a refuel probe, it can. The simplest of certifications you cant do without your daddy, please forget designing and importing hardware.

Going off topic will fetch you -. Keep that in mind.

So much trolling has robbed your ability to explain and discuss things.

 

[gslv mk3]

From Air Marshal MSD Wollen(Retd), then Chairman of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited

Project definition (PD) commenced in October 1987 and was completed in September I988. The consultant, chosen from four contenders, was Dassault Aviation, France. Engineers, connected with design and development of aircraft know how vital it is to get the 'definition' correct. From this flows detail de-sign, construction and eventually maintenance costs.

After examining the PD documents, the IAF felt that the risks were too high (likely shortfalls in performance, inordinate delay, Cost over-run, price escalations) to proceed further. A Review Committee was formed in May 1989. Experts from outside the aviation industry were included. The general view was that infrastructure, facilities and technology had advanced in most areas to undertake the project. As a precaution, Full Scale Engineering Development would proceed in two phases. Phase 1: design, construction and flight test of two Technology Demonstrator aircraft (TDI & 2); construction of a Structural Test Specimen; construction of two Prototype Vehicles (PVI &2); creation of infrastructure and test facilities. Phase 2: construction of three more PV '5, the last PV5, being a trainer; construction of a Fatigue Test Specimen; creation of facilities at various work centres. Cost of Phase I - Rs.2188 crores, of Phase II - Rs. 2,340 crores. Phase I commenced in 1990. However, due to a financial crunch, sanction was accorded in April 1993 and was marked by an upsurge in work. The critical path in this programme has been the design, fabrication and testing of its fly-by-wire flight control system FCS). An electronic FCS is a must for an aircraft with relaxed static stability.

http://www.tejas.gov.in/featured_articles/air_marshal_msd_wollen/page_03.html

 

[Dazzler]

Nice BS

ADA paid Dassault for help developing an improved Dassault Mirage 2000 back in the 1980’s

So Tejas is an improved Mirage 2000 ?

The reality is that Dassult had an advisory role

Project definition commenced in October 1987 with French aircraft major Dassault Aviation as consultants.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120327225622/http://tejas.gov.in:80/history/timeline.html



More Bs.

BS, you guys are still importing technologies from these companies. As i said, open your eyes. And, i would take Chris Smith's words over tejas website as they conveniently skipped several astonishing achievements.

 

[gslv mk3]

And, i would take Chris Smith's words over tejas website

From flightglobal magazine itself.

Dassault-Breguet has been selected to assist the Indian Aeronautical Development Authority (IADA) in the design and manufacture of a new Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) with the prototype's first flight scheduled in 1990. An official statement is expected soon. Thirty top-flight engineers from Dassault-Breguet are due in India shortly to act as technical advisers to IADA in charge of the LCA programme.

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1987/1987 - 2148.html?search=dassault lca

Also,

From Air Marshal MSD Wollen(Retd), then Chairman of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited

Project definition (PD) commenced in October 1987 and was completed in September I988. The consultant, chosen from four contenders, was Dassault Aviation, France. Engineers, connected with design and development of aircraft know how vital it is to get the 'definition' correct. From this flows detail de-sign, construction and eventually maintenance costs.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Going off topic will fetch you -. Keep that in mind.

So much trolling has robbed your ability to explain and discuss things.

Awww, that's so cute, tell your boyfriend to give me 100 more negatives. Daddy does all the work for you, but you wanna come here and kick dirt.

 

[gslv mk3]

BS, you guys are still importing technologies from these companies.

Posting BS from quora wouldn't help an troll who thinks quartz radomes aren't composite...or LCA can't pull 6 Gs.

 

[Dazzler]

Posting BS from quora wouldn't help an troll who thinks quartz radomes aren't composite...or LCA can't pull 6 Gs.

this is not from quora.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?dq...PA173#v=onepage&q=dassault 1986 india&f=false

 

[Bhasad Singh Mundi]

Posting BS from quora wouldn't help an troll who thinks quartz radomes aren't composite...or LCA can't pull 6 Gs.

Why are you showing light to the blind?

 

[gslv mk3]

this is not from quora.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?dq=dassault+1986+india&id=wirzhu5EaqAC&lpg=PA173&ots=11H2YvFz0B&pg=PA173#v=onepage&q=dassault 1986 india&f=false

And I've quoted a much more direct source- flight global about the same. And then HAL Chairman.

The design and sourcing of systems is/was all above board, as Dassault were paid, as are/were GE, Rafael, Sextant, Martin-Baker, Elbit, Cobham, …, HAL, so most technologies were properly licenced, so minimal plagiarism.

This ain't from quora ?

 

[Mugwop]

Tejas cannot integrate 100 year old technology. Reality itself is harsh.

I am just showing the mirror

Why would the engineers of tejas want to integrate a 100 year old tech when everyone wants to move into the future with stealth ?