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Indian navy spurns homemade warplane

BENGALURU: India’s navy is in the hunt for a new foreign fighter jet after rejecting an indigenously made aircraft as too heavy, the latest sign of the struggle to get Asian militaries to buy locally to grow their defense industries.
The navy last month invited manufacturers to pitch for 57 planes for its aircraft carriers, a multi-billion dollar order the government had hoped would go to the state-run producers of India’s Tejas, a combat aircraft 33 years in the making.
India, South Korea, Taiwan and other Asian buyers are expected to intensify efforts this year to develop indigenous warplanes, military officials said, due to anxieties that the US may be less engaged in the region under President Donald Trump.
But their hopes of manufacturing state-of-the-art warplanes could still be decades away as countries need more time to master the technology, experts said.
“It has been long on ambition short on success,” Richard A. Bitzinger, senior fellow at Singapore’s S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies, said of the drive.
“These things are being done because of techno-nationalism. They are done because these countries perceive of themselves as rising powers.”
As part of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s “Make-in-India” campaign, scientists will showcase the Tejas warplane at an air show opening in Bengaluru on Tuesday. But the jet remains a work in progress, with only three in service with the air force.
South Korea, supported by Indonesia, has multi-billion dollar plans to develop a twin-engined KF-X fighter jet, while Taiwan said this month it plans to build 66 jet trainer aircraft that could eventually help it manufacture a combat plane.
Chang Yeoung-keun, an adviser on the KF-X fighter jet project and a professor at Korea Aerospace University, said full development of the plane and its technologies will take decades.
“South Korea needs to develop core technologies of the jets, not just shells,” he said. “I am skeptical. South Korea may be able to develop core technology in 30 to 40 years, but they have to develop them in 10 years, with current fighter jets aging.”
Cleared by the government in 1983, the Indian plane was meant to be the backbone of the air force due for induction in 1994.
Instead, it suffered years of delay with scientists trying to build the world’s most modern light combat aircraft from scratch, including the engine.
In December, the navy chief, Admiral Sunil Lanba, said the sea version of the plane was “not up to the mark” and it could not take off from an aircraft carrier once weapons were loaded.
A source in the navy said that the plane for years has failed flight tests when taking off from a 200-meter carrier deck with weapons on board. That prompted the navy to issue a request last month for information for a foreign fighter to fill the gap, the first stage in a long procurement process.
Boeing Co. has pitched its F-A/18 Hornet, that the US navy flies from its carriers, to the Indian Defense Ministry, including an offer to build it locally.
Sweden’s Saab AB said on Friday it will offer the naval version of its Gripen fighter to the Indian navy.
India’s top defense scientists said they were disappointed by the navy’s decision and that fighter aircraft development was a challenge everywhere, including with the US Joint Strike Fighter, the F-35.
“Look at the F-35, with all the might of the multinational effort, is still evolving,” said a source in the aeronautical development agency which is spearheading the LCA effort.

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TEJA failing to takeoff :o
 
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Indian navy spurns homemade warplane

BENGALURU: India’s navy is in the hunt for a new foreign fighter jet after rejecting an indigenously made aircraft as too heavy, the latest sign of the struggle to get Asian militaries to buy locally to grow their defense industries.
The navy last month invited manufacturers to pitch for 57 planes for its aircraft carriers, a multi-billion dollar order the government had hoped would go to the state-run producers of India’s Tejas, a combat aircraft 33 years in the making.
India, South Korea, Taiwan and other Asian buyers are expected to intensify efforts this year to develop indigenous warplanes, military officials said, due to anxieties that the US may be less engaged in the region under President Donald Trump.
But their hopes of manufacturing state-of-the-art warplanes could still be decades away as countries need more time to master the technology, experts said.
“It has been long on ambition short on success,” Richard A. Bitzinger, senior fellow at Singapore’s S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies, said of the drive.
“These things are being done because of techno-nationalism. They are done because these countries perceive of themselves as rising powers.”
As part of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s “Make-in-India” campaign, scientists will showcase the Tejas warplane at an air show opening in Bengaluru on Tuesday. But the jet remains a work in progress, with only three in service with the air force.
South Korea, supported by Indonesia, has multi-billion dollar plans to develop a twin-engined KF-X fighter jet, while Taiwan said this month it plans to build 66 jet trainer aircraft that could eventually help it manufacture a combat plane.
Chang Yeoung-keun, an adviser on the KF-X fighter jet project and a professor at Korea Aerospace University, said full development of the plane and its technologies will take decades.
“South Korea needs to develop core technologies of the jets, not just shells,” he said. “I am skeptical. South Korea may be able to develop core technology in 30 to 40 years, but they have to develop them in 10 years, with current fighter jets aging.”
Cleared by the government in 1983, the Indian plane was meant to be the backbone of the air force due for induction in 1994.
Instead, it suffered years of delay with scientists trying to build the world’s most modern light combat aircraft from scratch, including the engine.
In December, the navy chief, Admiral Sunil Lanba, said the sea version of the plane was “not up to the mark” and it could not take off from an aircraft carrier once weapons were loaded.
A source in the navy said that the plane for years has failed flight tests when taking off from a 200-meter carrier deck with weapons on board. That prompted the navy to issue a request last month for information for a foreign fighter to fill the gap, the first stage in a long procurement process.
Boeing Co. has pitched its F-A/18 Hornet, that the US navy flies from its carriers, to the Indian Defense Ministry, including an offer to build it locally.
Sweden’s Saab AB said on Friday it will offer the naval version of its Gripen fighter to the Indian navy.
India’s top defense scientists said they were disappointed by the navy’s decision and that fighter aircraft development was a challenge everywhere, including with the US Joint Strike Fighter, the F-35.
“Look at the F-35, with all the might of the multinational effort, is still evolving,” said a source in the aeronautical development agency which is spearheading the LCA effort.

@Windjammer @MastanKhan
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Complete fabrications, the N-LCA Mk.1 was NEVER meant to enter service it was always a technology demonstrator to understand, validate and test arrested landing, "hard" landings, restrainted take offs, short take offs and operations at sea level), the N-LCA Mk.2 was ALWAYS the model the IN wanted.

Some, with motives unknown, have twisted this truth and created a narrative that is "N-LCA rejected by IN".



This LIE has been rebutted now:
LCA-Navy has full support
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...cos-manohar-parrikar/articleshow/57147448.cms

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The IN are funding 25% of the new LCA production line along with the IAF (25%) and HAL (50%), they are fully behind the project and waiting for their N-LCA MK.2
 
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The facts are presented to you in my post, if you are unable to accept them because of your own bias that is your issue but please leave and do not derail one of the few decent threads here.
Dude i'm just posting the news and you agreed that LCA is not going in naval service.
What you posted is more of stats. they may be factual, neither anyone is challenging them!
 
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Dude i'm just posting the news and you agreed that LCA is not going in naval service.
What you posted is more of stats. they may be factual, neither anyone is challenging them!
Did you even read what I posted?

The LCA IS going into service, the N-LCA Mk.1 is a technology demonstrator for the version the IN wants (the MK.2) if you want you can scroll back through this exact thread where this has been made clear consistently by simple everyday members who have an interest in defence.

So this entire media storm about "IN rejecting N-LCA" is 100% false as they are misreporting established facts and creating an entirely misleading narrative.


On one hand you guys will mock the "masala yellow Bollywood journalism" of the Indian media and then when it suits you you will turn around and quote it as gospel.

The Indian media are not reliable sources, they are either too incompetent to understand nuances or have their own motives.

Nothing has changed, the N-LCA project is on track, above is the Defence Minister of India saying as much himself.
 
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Dude i'm just posting the news and you agreed that LCA is not going in naval service.
What you posted is more of stats. they may be factual, neither anyone is challenging them!

Good fellow. Which LCA are you speaking of? There are 3 variants in reality and 1 in paper.

LCA mk1 - In IAF Service, will be upgraded to mk1a. No mk2 for IAF.
LCA Navy mk1 - For IN. It was a TD from the get go. No suitable for carrier ops. This is the one you speak. This is a very different "LCA"
LCA Navy mk2 - For IN.

Why you think the government allotted 2 assembly lines and converted 1 existing assembly line as well? That is 3 in total if math is a problem.
 
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Good fellow. Which LCA are you speaking of? There are 3 variants in reality and 1 in paper.

LCA mk1 - In IAF Service, will be upgraded to mk1a. No mk2 for IAF.
LCA Navy mk1 - For IN. It was a TD from the get go. No suitable for carrier ops. This is the one you speak ok.
LCA Navy mk2 - For IN.
The IAF will be going for the MK.2 don't worry about that but they will do so after the IN have developed the N-LCA Mk.2.
 
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The IAF will be going for the MK.2 don't worry about that but they will do so after the IN have developed the N-LCA Mk.2.

I would guess it may be so. But right now, the ink is for what I say.

mk2 is a good replacement for all the mirage & DARIN 3 jaguars.
 
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So this entire media storm about "IN rejecting N-LCA" is 100% false as they are misreporting established facts and creating an entirely misleading narrative.

Why media is creating storm?


On one hand you guys will mock the "masala yellow Bollywood journalism" of the Indian media and then when it suits you you will turn around and quote it as gospel.

The usual Nationalism and towing Government narrative contrary to the facts, proves it to be yellow when it comes to Pakistan. Opposing Pakistan and maligning us, is normal duty of indian media but here we are talking about Indian Media against Own Government which is unique if we go by your logic.


The Indian media are not reliable sources, they are either too incompetent to understand nuances or have their own motives.

Media is not reliable source and true that but Military/Navy should step up with official statement about the matter which is constantly reported by media houses and also, what are the media motives here to undermine an Indian National Project and mislead the people and work against National Interests.
 
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Do we have a picture of LCA that Navy has agreed to conduct and for which carrier?
 
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Did you even read what I posted?


The Indian media are not reliable sources, they are either too incompetent to understand nuances or have their own motives.

Nothing has changed, the N-LCA project is on track, above is the Defence Minister of India saying as much himself.
The Same media when utters anti Pakistan rants, then this media is believed as most reliable one. Ye tu khulla tazad hy Bhai!
 
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