HAL Tejas | Updates, News & Discussions-[Thread 2]

[Parul]

Why India didn't go for French Or Russian Engines for LCA?

 

[Wet Shirt Contest]

I got it from the official Indian source, wikipedia, program started in 1984, isn't that 40 years +? And also wikipedia says 400 J-10s, the truth is nobody knows the exact figure but it could be more, who knows, definitely not in the dozen tho. LOL

We have come a long way since then, also not a single Tejas fighter jet has been lost to an accident during its extensive flight tests during 3,000+ hours of sorties.

 

[BoQ77]

Impressive.

 

[zebra7]

Why India didn't go for French Or Russian Engines for LCA?

Because the First one was underpower, and the Second one we had it with Mig-29, which gave us too much trouble for being maintenance intensive.

 

[BoQ77]

I think Vietnam should wait for made in India F-16, that will be little cheaper and battle proven. LCA is not a battle proven platform plus HAL is not producing it in large number at the moment.

But LCAs could be the best replacements for Mig-21, they are small and maneuverable. Plus no conditions attached with it. And at last these babies could cost around million 35-40 $ per jet with 4.5 gen specification i.e. MK-1A.

I think you guys can get Mk1A version which will get AESA and modern BVR-WVR with helmet mounted sight combo.

It will blend quite well with Su-s with Li-Lo deadly combo!

LCA costs around 24 million a piece. Vietnam should be interested in MK1-A which is more lethal and an apt replacement for your old machines.

1. Vietnam tactic would be suddenly appear, hit and run. We don't give them heavy mission
2. Great support aftersale, and no condition attached is good,
3. Used F-16 cost more than 30 million, and may with condition, so this could be the candidate.

 

[Han Patriot]

We have come a long way since then, also not a single Tejas fighter jet has been lost to an accident during its extensive flight tests during 3,000+ hours of sorties.

You know probability? It's math.

 

[zebra7]

You know probability? It's math.

How many J-10 have been inducted by PLAAF.

1. Vietnam tactic would be suddenly appear, hit and run. We don't give them heavy mission
2. Great support aftersale, and no condition attached is good,
3. Used F-16 cost more than 30 million, and may with condition, so this could be the candidate.

LCA would be one of the Choice of the Vietnaam Airforce. Few Reasons are :--

1. Like IAF, they are also the user of MIG-21, armed with Russian Weaponary whose replacement IAF is doing with the LCA MK-1. And they are operating around 150 MIG-21, which they have to replace sooner or latter.

2. They too have the border with the China, and will face the Similar threat/Challenges, which IAF is facing.

3. They too operate the Heavier Flanker (Su-27) derivative aka Su-30 MKK, though inferior to Su-30 MKI.

4. They too would love the western elements in the plane (Chinese are also operative of Russian systems and have good insight of them), together with the Russian inventory of Weapons to lower down the procurement and commonality (R-77, R-73, Russian LGB, Air launch anti-ship, anti-runway, anti-radiation Cruise Missile).

5. Indian biggest Aviation Integrator HAL have been supplying spares for the MIG-21 to the vietnaam, and help in the upgrade of the MIG-21 of the VNAF. P.S the best MIG-21 variant Bison is also operated by IAF and whole plane including airframe, Radars and Engine are build in India from the Raw material.

6. LCA Tejas have trainer and Carrier version too, and work on them is on the advance stage.

7. Modern 4th Gen. fighter plane with AESA, IFR, FBW, FADEEC, swingrole Multirole fighter plane, with the Short take off capability, high load carrying capability, high ITR, and high availability and reliability.


Now what are the advantages which Viet Airforce will have

1. They could take the advantage of the Tactics developed by the IAF against the PLAAF using Hi-Lo combo Mix of Flankers and LMRCA aka LCA, with flanker illuminating the enemy target, and LCA sneaking and firing long range BVR shot on A2A clash.

2. The cost of acquisition would be lower than any other fighter plane, because IAF will demands the integration of the Russian weapon inventory which will include LGB, anti-ship, anti-radiation, anti-runway cruise missile. P.S LCA is using the Russian launcher on its Pylon.

3. LCA was always designed as the MIG-21 replacement, so the infrastructure of the MIG-21 could be used, thus lowering the total cost of ownership.

4. With the LCA, Vietnam will get the advantage of choosing the Best possible customization possible as per their need. E.G on Radar -- Choice of French, Israeli, Russian or Indian, Similarly on BVR Russian (R-77/R-73, Israeli (Derby, Python-5), French (MICA IR/RF), Indian (Astra-1/2). Similarly if the need arises Engine U.S - GE-404/414, Russian Rd-33MK, Eurojet EJ-200, Indian Kaveri K-10 (Although it is not ready, but GTRE is working).

5. Vietnam could have the Trainer, LIFT version of the LCA, which could be used for the CAS, and Carrier version, if in case Viet Navy think of the Smaller Carrier in future like Thailand.

 

[RPK]

 

[PARIKRAMA]

@Abingdonboy @Ankit Kumar 002 @anant_s @MilSpec @SpArK @Taygibay @zebra7 @all others

SAAB Game over in Parliament -- Official Confirmation

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

No Gripen or anything else ! [ In the name of co developing Tejas ]

Tejas Mark 1A

The first Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) – Tejas squadron has been formed on 1st July, 2016 with two LCA Initial Operational Configuration (IOC) Series Production Aircraft. Further, 18 more aircraft in IOC standard are planned for induction by 2018-19. This would be followed by 20 more aircraft in Final Operation Configuration (FOC) standard, which are planned for induction from year 2019.

There is no collaboration envisaged with any European Aircraft Manufacturer for development of Tejas Mark 1A.

Tejas MK1A is a 4.5 generation aircraft. There is a separate programme between Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) from Indian side and M/s Rosboronexport from the Russian side for Design and Development (D&D) of the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA).

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar in a written reply to Shri Kirti Vardhan Singh in Lok Sabha today.

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@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy
Also note its 20 IOC aircrafts + 20 FOC aircrafts , And then 80 MK1A Aircrafts.

 

[Abingdonboy]

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@Abingdonboy @Ankit Kumar 002 @anant_s @MilSpec @SpArK @Taygibay @zebra7 @all others

SAAB Game over in Parliament -- Official Confirmation

No Gripen or anything else ! [ In the name of co developing Tejas ]

Tejas Mark 1A

The first Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) – Tejas squadron has been formed on 1st July, 2016 with two LCA Initial Operational Configuration (IOC) Series Production Aircraft. Further, 18 more aircraft in IOC standard are planned for induction by 2018-19. This would be followed by 20 more aircraft in Final Operation Configuration (FOC) standard, which are planned for induction from year 2019.

There is no collaboration envisaged with any European Aircraft Manufacturer for development of Tejas Mark 1A.

Tejas MK1A is a 4.5 generation aircraft. There is a separate programme between Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) from Indian side and M/s Rosboronexport from the Russian side for Design and Development (D&D) of the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA).

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar in a written reply to Shri Kirti Vardhan Singh in Lok Sabha today.

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@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy
Also note its 20 IOC aircrafts + 20 FOC aircrafts , And then 80 MK1A Aircrafts.

Oh look, more propoganda from foreign arms manufactuerers fundamentally refuted- is anyone surprised at this point at how little credibility there are to those reports?

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

Oh look, more propoganda from foreign arms manufactuerers fundamentally refuted- is anyone surprised at this poipro at how little credibility there are to those reports?

Just wait a little more , the 2nd single engine contender which is creating so much pomp and show will again soon be proven wrong.

No single engines are gonna be procured, but Super Hornet or a Russian option , IF THEY ARE SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER THAN RAFALE TO BE BUILT IN INDIA WITH INDUSTRIAL/TECHNOLOGICAL BENEFITS , may get a chance.

 

[[Bregs]]

Just wait a little more , the 2nd single engine contender which is creating so much pomp and show will again soon be proven wrong.

No single engines are gonna be procured, but Super Hornet or a Russian option , IF THEY ARE SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER THAN RAFALE TO BE BUILT IN INDIA WITH INDUSTRIAL/TECHNOLOGICAL BENEFITS , may get a chance.

True is single engine fighter like f 16 or gripen is procured then you are killing Tejas which looks highly doubtful

so Rafale under MII in longer term, and super hornets or Russian one will be selected

 

[Abingdonboy]

Just wait a little more , the 2nd single engine contender which is creating so much pomp and show will again soon be proven wrong.

No single engines are gonna be procured, but Super Hornet or a Russian option , IF THEY ARE SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER THAN RAFALE TO BE BUILT IN INDIA WITH INDUSTRIAL/TECHNOLOGICAL BENEFITS , may get a chance.

True is single engine fighter like f 16 or gripen is procured then you are killing Tejas which looks highly doubtful

so Rafale under MII in longer term, and super hornets or Russian one will be selected

At this point it is clear the most logical and simple solution is emerging as the most viable/likely outcome- no 2nd single engine fighter (for god's sake why would one be required now the LCA is in service?) and the Rafale MII.

Notice how none of the propoganda centres on a the twin-engined MII requirement as Dassualt have all but tied that up. Where is the news of the Super Hornet production line shifting to India? Is the dearth of such coverge because Dassualt are the only OEM (despite what SAB or OEM may claim) to have been allowed to progress a MII offer by the MoD?

For some reason SAAB and LM think they can arm-twist this GoI into killing off India's homegrown single engine fighter project all through the ruse of promoting "Make in India"- how ironic!


+ @Ankit Kumar 002 no new Russian jet deal is on the horizon with India beyond the FGFA. The MKI is already being produced in India in massive numbers (that will be increased yet further in the coming years) but India is more than aware of the hazards associated with dealing with the Russians and how deceptive the "cost" of their products can be.

 

[[Bregs]]

At this point it is clear the most logical and simple solution is emerging as the most viable/likely outcome- no 2nd single engine fighter (for god's sake why would one be required now the LCA is in service?) and the Rafale MII.

Notice how none of the propoganda centres on a the twin-engined MII requirement as Dassualt have all but tied that up. Where is the news of the Super Hornet production line shifting to India? Is the dearth of such coverge because Dassualt are the only OEM (despite what SAB or OEM may claim) to have been allowed to progress a MII offer by the MoD?

For some reason SAAB and LM think they can arm-twist this GoI into killing off India's homegrown single engine fighter project all through the ruse of promoting "Make in India"- how ironic!


+ @Ankit Kumar 002 no new Russian jet deal is on the horizon with India beyond the FGFA. The MKI is already being produced in India in massive numbers (that will be increased yet further in the coming years) but India is more than aware of the hazards associated with dealing with the Russians and how deceptive the "cost" of their products can be.

No doubt the Tejas is going to stay and is going to see many transformation in its avionics and engine in next few yrs

Rafale under MII is only justifiable and possible route as of now and this going to stay this way till final deal is signed