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COIN is a ground strategy, what A-10 does and attack helocopters do is CAS for LIC.
LIC is what your army is doing in west pakistan. IE massive military power projection with heavy civilian casualty.
What we are doing in FATA is COIN .. Evacuate the civilians from the operational areas .. Surround the areas.. Send in gunships and Jets armed with PGMs and target militant hideouts like caves,tunnels,shacks etc which are pointe out though UAVs or HUMINT... Than send in troops supported by assets like gunships in the air.
 
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Nice pics those. :tup: :tup:

A10 are best suitable for CAS role, I dont think it will be much of a problem to acquire a couple of squadrons. But it depeds on IAF what they want to induct. Hawks are already in IAFs inventory. So thats makes them more suitable I guess.

Its another HAL hogwash, the MoU is not signed by IAF, but by HAL.

The IAF ultimately going to procure 80-100 Mk.1 , specified for CAS role that can able deliver light weight PGMs too.
 
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Its another HAL hogwash, the MoU is not signed by IAF, but by HAL.

The IAF ultimately going to procure 80-100 Mk.1 , specified for CAS role that can able deliver light weight PGMs too.

Thats more like it. Makes sense too. I am happy that MP has shown his trust & support to LCA Mki. It was much needed.
 
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What we are doing in FATA is COIN .. Evacuate the civilians from the operational areas .. Surround the areas.. Send in gunships and Jets armed with PGMs and target militant hideouts like caves,tunnels,shacks etc which are pointe out though UAVs or HUMINT... Than send in troops supported by assets like gunships in the air.
Thats not COIN when you use PGMs and jets. COIN is creating a parameter around the enemy. If your dropping bombs your probably not creating a parameter. And when you have 3 million dislocated civilians its diffiently not COIN its LIC. I don't think you know the difference.
 
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What we are doing in FATA is COIN .. Evacuate the civilians from the operational areas .. Surround the areas.. Send in gunships and Jets armed with PGMs and target militant hideouts like caves,tunnels,shacks etc which are pointe out though UAVs or HUMINT... Than send in troops supported by assets like gunships in the air.
Go and strap yourself in A 10 during Indo -Pak scenario ,you will be amazed it will drop faster than it flies.
PS:-Not ideal for heavily infested SAM case.
 
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Go and strap yourself in A 10 during Indo -Pak scenario ,you will be amazed it will drop faster than it flies.
PS:-Not ideal for heavily infested SAM case.

As I said it's going for close air support ops not actual combat (as in a conventional war)...

Go fly an armed BAE Hawk in a real war... ( bad idea).

Thats not COIN when you use PGMs and jets. COIN is creating a parameter around the enemy. If your dropping bombs your probably not creating a parameter. And when you have 3 million dislocated civilians its diffiently not COIN its LIC. I don't think you know the difference.

Light conflict or major ops against well entrenched bunkers... We are doing it right... More than our allies in neighbouring Afghanistan .. Where you not only displace miig a of Afghans but also end up blowing wedding n people collecting oil from tankers,


Some footage from Swat valley Operations.
 
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Light conflict or major ops against well entrenched bunkers... We are doing it right... More than our allies in neighbouring Afghanistan .. Where you not only displace miig a of Afghans but also end up blowing wedding n people collecting oil from tankers,
Your not doing it right. There is no right to use tanks against a civilian unrest when they are Pakistanis. NATO doesn't care because these are NOT their country men, that can object and bring them to court.
Heres the deal, why does the TTP have bunkers? How did they get bunkers?
If they have trenched positions and they are defending these positions with AK-47s and RPGs then why not surrond the trenches and starve them of ammunition and food?
Obviously you PA is not performed COIN, they are doing LIC just like NATO. Dropping bombs from the sky is not going to solve your TTP problem. The problem was created in the 70's when you created Taliban for use against Afghanistan and gave them authority instead of enforcing law and order west of the Indus river!
You can kill TTP but this like I said is a law and order issue, you'll have to fight this war economically over the long term by providing prosperity. If your dropping PGMs and hellfire drones, your not taking into account civilians.
I remember reading an article a while back that PAF claims a F-16 dropped a laser guided bomb killer 37 terrorists.
You wanna know what the BS in that is? They have not idea if the 37 people killed were all terrorists. If an innocent civilian dies, can he/she take her greivence with the PA or GOP? They ought to but in Pakistan, civilians whom are of the lower class expecially west of the Indus are not treated like Pakistanis.
If they pay taxes, they ought to be heard and demand responisble use of their military however Pakistan, is a nation that is controlled by an Army and any one not following the same lines as the army, journalist, politicians, tv personalities, get knocked out.
 
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