Hajj Stampede, 700+ pilgrims died.

[Saif al-Arab]

I dare to question the negligence by saudi authority but some idiots are trying to make it arab vs iran issue.

Ok tell us, who is responsible for back to back incident during hajj. Not a single person has been held responsible by the saudi authorities.

Thats simply unacceptable and shameless.

What are you blabbering about?

The investigation regarding the freak crane accident which occurred during a heavy storm and rainfall (1 out of 100 of such cranes collapsed - the others did not and where found to be fully secure) is still ongoing. Stop writing nonsense.

Regarding the stampede today. Again what are you exactly blabbering about? The tragedy is only a few hours old. Did you expect any conclusions to be reached yet? I understand that you already managed to write an extremely detailed 100 page report after visiting Street 204 at Mina and going back to Pakistan where you are located right now, but not everyone is as fast.

 

[Falcon29]

@Slav Defence @Saif al-Arab

It really is embarrassing how stupid and insensitive our community can be, they just enjoy creating more trouble. A tragedy occurs(not fully known why yet) and of course already politicized by trolls. Not to mention the so many other problems in the Muslim world, and the carelessness we have towards each other. Muslims need to take account that this idiotic direction they're trying to head us into is causing people to lose faith. I myself on verge of becoming atheist because I can't fathom how heartless some of us can be. Especially at time when we really need each other. Meanwhile religion just represses my lifestyle too when I am seeking companionship which I can get fairly easily....every day that goes I lose more faith, I don't understand what some people want another massive civil war this time in Saudi Arabia??? If something doesn't happen in the coming year that reinstills confidence I am afraid I will be lost...

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Abusive language will get that member banned
You guys have been warned

so this is our misery ? bombing of yemen is our misery ? massacre of 1500 pilgrims is our misery ?

you're so full of it .

90 Iranians are killed and yet you're so arrogant so idiot that you actually have the audacity to jump on people like a rabid mammal

I have written zero insults in this thread which every moderator can see and confirm. We all saw who behaves exactly like an rabid mammal in this thread.

The previous posts now edited by moderators.

Saudis are killing more Muslims than Israelis .

The retarded Saud family should stick to their belly dance and leave Haj issues to sane people to avoid such incidents .

F-ing retards . 1000 innocent people killed ? a path for pilgrims was closed by the police and caused all this mess .

90 Iranians were killed because of idiocy and incompetency of saudi officials . shame on these people . focusing on massacre of yemeni people has cause all this mess . look at this crap !! before this crane and now this shitt ?

this is unacceptable . OIC should have immediate meeting over this mess .

mother f-ing bastards .

@Serpentine @Daneshmand @kollang @SOHEIL

@Slav Defence @Saif al-Arab

It really is embarrassing how stupid and insensitive our community can be, they just enjoy creating more trouble. A tragedy occurs(not fully known why yet) and of course already politicized by trolls. Not to mention the so many other problems in the Muslim world, and the carelessness we have towards each other. Muslims need to take account that this idiotic direction they're trying to head us into is causing people to lose faith. I myself on verge of becoming atheist because I can't fathom how heartless some of us can be. Especially at time when we really need each other. Meanwhile religion just represses my lifestyle too when I am seeking companionship which I can get fairly easily....every day that goes I lose more faith, I don't understand what some people want another massive civil war this time in Saudi Arabia??? If something doesn't happen in the coming year that reinstills confidence I am afraid I will be lost...

Nobody but the Farsis have used this thread to rant in and spread their nonsense and hatred. Nobody had even mentioned them with a word before they entered. Earlier we had a respectful debate which anyone saw and can see.

I want tolerate some Farsis and their unfounded nonsense here and unmotivated insults at my people and country. Especially not as they have never and will never take care of Makkah and Madinah and are nowhere close to being able to do as good a job as KSA has been doing since time immortal. Nobody is for obvious reasons.

 

[prima99]

so will the poor souls be compensated? i mean this isn't the first time this kind of things happened right?

 

[Slav Defence]

@Slav Defence @Saif al-Arab

It really is embarrassing how stupid and insensitive our community can be, they just enjoy creating more trouble. A tragedy occurs(not fully known why yet) and of course already politicized by trolls. Not to mention the so many other problems in the Muslim world, and the carelessness we have towards each other. Muslims need to take account that this idiotic direction they're trying to head us into is causing people to lose faith. I myself on verge of becoming atheist because I can't fathom how heartless some of us can be. Especially at time when we really need each other. Meanwhile religion just represses my lifestyle too when I am seeking companionship which I can get fairly easily....every day that goes I lose more faith, I don't understand what some people want another massive civil war this time in Saudi Arabia??? If something doesn't happen in the coming year that reinstills confidence I am afraid I will be lost...

1-Religion has nothing to do with companionship,you need to jot down first what do you want and then you need to learn for how to take guidance from religion in this regard.
2-If people are illiterate or acting like animals then what Allah(swt) has to do with it that you are loosing your faith in this case?Has he instructed them to kill each other?You need to recite Quran everyday to understand.
3-Basically,you need to ''clear up'' your mind that what do you desire,what opportunities you have and how you should get it via religion.
4-If others are acting like animals then it should make you learn religion more rather than running away.If a class consists of bad students then you just don't run away assuming that there is no teacher..same analogy goes with your falling to atheism.
5-I have predicted this earlier to @Saif al-Arab ,but then edited my post thinking that it might be unnecessary.
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@Manticore,
Please make sure that animals are kept in cage.
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regards

 

[haman10]

Nobody but the Farsis have used this thread to rant in and spread their nonsense and hatred.

What are you talking about arabi ? what hate ? as i said , 90 Iranians are martyred by incompetency of your officials .

one thousand and 5 hundred innocent blood is on you . can you understand that ?

Nobody had even mentioned them with a word before they entered.

i don't need to be mentioned to come here and express my opinion about saudi family and their filth officials .

1000 people , 10% of them Iranians are massacred due to incompetency of your officials .

 

[Saif al-Arab]

What are you talking about arabi ? what hate ? as i said , 90 Iranians are martyred by incompetency of your officials .

one thousand and 5 hundred innocent blood is on you . can you understand that ?

i don't need to be mentioned to come here and express my opinion about saudi family and their filth officials .

1000 people , 10% of them Iranians are massacred due to incompetency of your officials .

Don't quote my posts. I have a very low tolerance level for trolls especially when something like this occurs in my country and hometown.

 

[haman10]

Don't quote my posts. I have a very low tolerance level for trolls especially when something like this occurs in my country and hometown.

so i'm the troll here ? or you with 100 different accounts such as Al-hassani , Banu hasim , saif al-arab , al-arabi ? ?

you've been banned like a million times already and yet i'm the troll here . when was the last time you were banned again ? a week ago ?

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ALCON , as i said OIC should have an immediate meeting over this .

first the crane and now this ? it's both unacceptable and untolerable .

 

[Saif al-Arab]

so i'm the troll here ? or you with 100 different accounts such as Al-hassani , Banu hasim , saif al-arab , al-arabi ? ?

you've been banned like a million times already and yet i'm the troll here . when was the last time you were banned again ? a week ago ?

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ALCON , as i said OIC should have an immediate meeting over this .

first the crane and now this ? it's both unacceptable and untolerable .

Keep writing your fairytales. I am not interested in your nonsense and I already told you not to quote me. I have an plane to catch tonight and an Eid al-Adha to celebrate with family and relatives. I got no time for your nonsense.

I forgot my password for my old user (Al-Hasani) and the moderators knew this from the first day that I created this user as I informed them by making a thread on GH about the matter. Hence why the Al-Hasani user has not been banned but been inactive since March 2014. Do you understand this? I have never had a double user and there is no need for that. Nor have I ever "hidden" my identity here.

On the other hand you made a user called @Haman2 or something like that when you were once banned (1 out of many bans).

Let @WebMaster confirm that. So keep writing your fairytales for all I care. It's the last thing that I care about.

Yes, I am @alarabi

In short get lost and stop quoting my posts, you obsessed individual.

@Slav Defence

 

[Falcon29]

1-Religion has nothing to do with companionship,you need to jot down first what do you want and then you need to learn for how to take guidance from religion in this regard.
2-If people are illiterate or acting like animals then what Allah(swt) has to do with it that you are loosing your faith in this case?Has he instructed them to kill each other?You need to recite Quran everyday to understand.
3-Basically,you need to ''clear up'' your mind that what do you desire,what opportunities you have and how you should get it via religion.
4-If others are acting like animals then it should make you learn religion more rather than running away.If a class consists of bad students then you just don't run away assuming that there is no teacher..same analogy goes with your falling to atheism.
5-I have predicted this earlier to @Saif al-Arab ,but then edited my post thinking that it might be unnecessary.
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@Manticore,
Please make sure that animals are kept in cage.
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regards

Slav, I've been closely following politics and development of Muslim community for several years now beginning form young age and was passionate about it. I wasted my time thinking something would change, sacrificed my social life, and did poorly academically. And then the more I realized the carelessness, selfishness of Muslims who only care about their interests I lost faith in them. That's not to say Muslims weren't wronged, they defitnely were and the Muslim community is going through serious hardships(which I thought would be enough to change them for better, apparently not). So I woke up to the reality, and decided to not care anymore. And my life improved a lot before I entered college, improved academically big time, now in one of top universities in my state, recovered social life(which still restricted because of religion/fear of family) and happy as a person. I used to be interested in marriage, no longer am. I still have a long way to go in school, not ready for marriage, don't wan't a Muslim or Arab either. I'd rather have a girlfriend, I can get a beuatiful girl, don't want to sound annoying but this is within my hands. I want companionship to at least makeup for the rest of the stuff I'm not allowed to do, and of course I still am still thining about my decisions, on one hand I do believe in God and don't want to upset family, on other hand I really want something new in my life and no longer care what anyone thinks of it.....I am getting off topic and personal....sorry for that....but the point is it is all interconnected to this behavior I see by our people, which first began with the careless toward Palestinians, then I looked in depth into evrything else and realzied we aren't serious about our religion.....and I hope members here take point to that and support each other instead of making more of us go astray....

 

[Sinnerman108]

The truth of the matter is that Muslims, from any country / region are ill disciplined.

I have been to Hajj; I found out that people are so ill organized barring a few nationalities.
They not only fail to follow directions which are in ( Arabic, English, French, Persian & Urdu )
but they react strongly and usually shrug off any attempt to discipline them.

I will go as far as to say is that Hajj is a test of tolerance, and a celebration of being human above animals
however when one looks around, one feels there is some thing wrong.

The lack of education, discipline among muslims is just too apparent.

Alas Alas.

When so many have died .. we are in this stupid debate.

Keep writing your fairytales. I am not interested in your nonsense and I already told you not to quote me. I have an plane to catch tonight and an Eid al-Adha to celebrate with family and relatives. I got no time for your nonsense.

I forgot my password for my old user (Al-Hasani) and the moderators knew this from the first day that I created this thread as I informed them by making a thread on GH about the matter. Hence why the Al-Hasani user has not been banned but been inactive since March 2014. Do you understand this? I have never had a double user and there is no need for that. Nor have I ever "hidden" my identity here.

On the other hand you made a user called @Haman2 or something like that when you were once banned (1 out of many bans).

Let @WebMaster confirm that. So keep writing your fairytales for all I care. It's the last thing that I care about.

Yes, I am @alarabi

@Slav Defence

so i'm the troll here ? or you with 100 different accounts such as Al-hassani , Banu hasim , saif al-arab , al-arabi ? ?

you've been banned like a million times already and yet i'm the troll here . when was the last time you were banned again ? a week ago ?

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ALCON , as i said OIC should have an immediate meeting over this .

first the crane and now this ? it's both unacceptable and untolerable .

Keep writing your fairytales. I am not interested in your nonsense and I already told you not to quote me. I have an plane to catch tonight and an Eid al-Adha to celebrate with family and relatives. I got no time for your nonsense.

I forgot my password for my old user (Al-Hasani) and the moderators knew this from the first day that I created this thread as I informed them by making a thread on GH about the matter. Hence why the Al-Hasani user has not been banned but been inactive since March 2014. Do you understand this? I have never had a double user and there is no need for that. Nor have I ever "hidden" my identity here.

On the other hand you made a user called @Haman2 or something like that when you were once banned (1 out of many bans).

Let @WebMaster confirm that. So keep writing your fairytales for all I care. It's the last thing that I care about.

Yes, I am @alarabi

@Slav Defence

 

[Kambojaric]

Really sad incident. Unfortunatly when so many human beings gather in dense small areas such events can take place.

 

[haman10]

I forgot my password for my old user (Al-Hasani)

yeah . and if they can confirm you're him , why didn't they give you your password back ?

what about banu hashim ? and yes you have had many other accounts as well . i just can't recall them now cause i'm angry over the death of a thousand innocent people . spare me you're nonsense .

you always have no time , yet you're here 24/7/365 and you write articles over articles in response to 1 liner posts .

yeah right ....

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Everyone accountable for this massacre should be indeed thrown in jail for eternity . an international investigation should immediately be launched to determine the exact cause of failure to be an state

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Slav, I've been closely following politics and development of Muslim community for several years now beginning form young age and was passionate about it. I wasted my time thinking something would change, sacrificed my social life, and did poorly academically. And then the more I realized the carelessness, selfishness of Muslims who only care about their interests I lost faith in them. That's not to say Muslims weren't wronged, they defitnely were and the Muslim community is going through serious hardships(which I thought would be enough to change them for better, apparently not). So I woke up to the reality, and decided to not care anymore. And my life improved a lot before I entered college, improved academically big time, now in one of top universities in my state, recovered social life(which still restricted because of religion/fear of family) and happy as a person. I used to be interested in marriage, no longer am. I still have a long way to go in school, not ready for marriage, don't wan't a Muslim or Arab either. I'd rather have a girlfriend, I can get a beuatiful girl, don't want to sound annoying but this is within my hands. I want companionship to at least makeup for the rest of the stuff I'm not allowed to do, and of course I still am still thining about my decisions, on one hand I do believe in God and don't want to upset family, on other hand I really want something new in my life and no longer care what anyone thinks of it.....I am getting off topic and personal....sorry for that....but the point is it is all interconnected to this behavior I see by our people, which first began with the careless toward Palestinians, then I looked in depth into evrything else and realzied we aren't serious about our religion.....and I hope members here take point to that and support each other instead of making more of us go astray....

Bro, you should not take forums too seriously. It's often not like this and contrary to popular belief the Muslim community is neither better or worse than many other communities. At the end of the day you live in the US where you are free to decide for yourself and decide which journeys that you want to embark on in your life. The worst thing that can happen is you disappointing your family or certain friends.

Such decisions are to be made by yourself and nobody else but I for sure won't equate the actions of regimes or a few select Muslims and that of the ordinary Muslim (1.7 billion strong community) who is a law-abiding citizen who strives to do as much good in life as possible. We should not become too emotional. Things will improve that's given.

yeah . and if they can confirm you're him , why didn't they give you your password back ?

what about banu hashim ? and yes you have had many other accounts as well . i just can't recall them now cause i'm angry over the death of a thousand innocent people . spare me you're nonsense .

you always have no time , yet you're here 24/7/365 and you write articles over articles in response to 1 liner posts .

yeah right ....

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Everyone accountable for this massacre should be indeed thrown in jail for eternity . an international investigation should immediately be launched to determine the exact cause of failure to be an state

@WebMaster can you please confirm what I wrote in post 129 so I don't have to deal with this obsessed individual who does not understand that I have no interest in engaging in silly arguments with him?

Thank you.

 

[Slav Defence]

Slav, I've been closely following politics and development of Muslim community for several years now beginning form young age and was passionate about it. I wasted my time thinking something would change, sacrificed my social life, and did poorly academically. And then the more I realized the carelessness, selfishness of Muslims who only care about their interests I lost faith in them. That's not to say Muslims weren't wronged, they defitnely were and the Muslim community is going through serious hardships(which I thought would be enough to change them for better, apparently not). So I woke up to the reality, and decided to not care anymore. And my life improved a lot before I entered college, improved academically big time, now in one of top universities in my state, recovered social life(which still restricted because of religion/fear of family) and happy as a person. I used to be interested in marriage, no longer am. I still have a long way to go in school, not ready for marriage, don't wan't a Muslim or Arab either. I'd rather have a girlfriend, I can get a beuatiful girl, don't want to sound annoying but this is within my hands. I want companionship to at least makeup for the rest of the stuff I'm not allowed to do, and of course I still am still thining about my decisions, on one hand I do believe in God and don't want to upset family, on other hand I really want something new in my life and no longer care what anyone thinks of it.....I am getting off topic and personal....sorry for that....but the point is it is all interconnected to this behavior I see by our people, which first began with the careless toward Palestinians, then I looked in depth into evrything else and realzied we aren't serious about our religion.....and I hope members here take point to that and support each other instead of making more of us go astray....

You don't need to get downhearted nor you need to let their selfishness influence your humanity.You and I cannot change the pattern because it is a slow process in progress and everything is in the hands Allah.Analyze past and you can see the crusade history regarding Jerusalem [Palestine] and at that time who would have imagined that a son of kurd,name Saladin will born and defeat biggest power of that time.
My friend,seeing impatient people like you and us Allah has already foretold us in our religion of coming of anitchrist and return of prophet jesus(a.s). You and I can only do charity,pray 5 times a day and help some poor students.Pakistan has recently taken up step for Palestinian students by building their embassy in here,so that 50,000 students from Palestine could get knowledge.You attempt was not wasted as well,you have gained recognition and respect in sight of Allah (swt) and inshallah you will be rewarded,be patient.
Regarding girlfriend,it is you inner nafs who is looking for excuses to shatter you forever.Whosoever,will think something new,take a step in this era will be attacked by such inner demons.Just focus on your studies and wait for sometime till you get ready to get a wife of your interest[by nationality].
Our science students,when performing experiments are not getting results,do also get frustrated,you are like them.Be patient and throw out this bullshit that you have wasted.Plus,now you have taken correct step on other hand by focusing on your academic study.
1-Just focus on your study
2-Try not to get involved in silly relationships,wait till you get further maturity in this regard.
3-Look at the positive aspect that is improvement in life
4-None of your efforts have gone wasted.
5-Do not become like them,maintain your sweetness and sensitiveness towards Palestine but stop any activates for politico-social purpose
5-Have faith on Allah(swt),it is a slow process and nothing is escaping out of pattern.
regards