Hajj Stampede, 700+ pilgrims died.

[Saif al-Arab]

PressTV-'Hajj tragedy deaths cross 4,000'

The Saudi government confirms the death toll in the recent Hajj tragedy has reached 4,173, media reports say.

Saudi Vice Minister of Health Hamad bin Muhammad Al-Duweila said on Tuesday that he has received a photo showing that 4,173 pilgrims were killed in the tragic incident in Minda, near the holy city of Mecca, according to some reports.

The Saudi Health Ministry asserted that heat exhaustion and suffocation are to blame for the pilgrims’ death, the reports said.

PressTV? Really? Surely you must be joking.

1.100 or so have been confirmed dead so far with around the similar number missing for now. The numbers keep changing. It will take several more days to get the full picture of this accident.

It is what happened because i just came back from Hajj.

204 is one of the main routes that is supposed to be opened to allow the Hujjaj to travel from Muzdalifha to Jamarat to finish the stoning. The side streets are all supposed to be blocked off such that the passage can continue unabated via the main roads. Someone screwed up and left one street open (there is a little bit of confusion if the street was 216 or 223) which result in the log jam that caused the stampede.

As far as these conspiracy theories about Saudis targeting the Iranians, if you know anything about Mena Camp or have been there before, you know that the camp is divided out by certain countries such that the pilgrims from one country are usually together. This could be an explanation of why more Iranians died than anyone else as the stampede might have occurred in an Iranian dominated area.

No, KSA orchestred this to kill some former Iranian ambassador to Lebanon and 1-2 so-called "scientists" that nobody has heard about before.

 

[A.M.]

No, KSA orchestred this to kill some former Iranian ambassador to Lebanon and 1-2 so-called "scientists" that nobody has heard about before.

Your KSA is run by the most inefficient and lazy individuals that i have ever come across in my life. I'm still perplexed as to why you have been blessed as much as you have.

The Saudi government confirms the death toll in the recent Hajj tragedy has reached 4,173, media reports say.

Why do we need media reports to confirm something that a government has said, you can simply read the official press release.

But i'm going to assume that the press release doesn't exist because this news isn't real.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Your KSA is run by the most inefficient and lazy individuals that i have ever come across in my life. I'm still perplexed as to why you have been blessed as much as you have.

 

[Madali]

Why do we need media reports to confirm something that a government has said, you can simply read the official press release.

But i'm going to assume that the press release doesn't exist because this news isn't real.

I posted a thread on this but it seems to have been deleted. There was a press release on the moh.gov.sa website but it seems to have been deleted. This was the original links,
http://press.moh.gov.sa/mohartical.asp

Here is a Google cache version,

الملف الصحفي - وزارة الصحة

Was the page hacked? Or was it a report given and they changed their mind?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I posted a thread on this but it seems to have been deleted. There was a press release on the moh.gov.sa website but it seems to have been deleted. This was the original links,
http://press.moh.gov.sa/mohartical.asp

Here is a Google cache version,

الملف الصحفي - وزارة الصحة

Was the page hacked? Or was it a report given and they changed their mind?

What does it matter? Each country is itself confirming how many of their citizens have died, how many are injured and how many are missing. Eventually a definite number will be reached but it takes time when you have over 100 countries involved.

4700 fatalities makes no sense at all.

 

[Madali]

What does it matter? Each country is itself confirming how many of their citizens have died, how many are injured and how many are missing. Eventually a definite number will be reached but it takes time when you have over 100 countries involved.

4700 fatalities makes no sense at all.

What do you mean, what does it matter? Of course it matters! Stop being so callous.

Anyway, I have claimed that its possible the press report from moh.gov.sa was hacked.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

What do you mean, what does it matter? Of course it matters! Stop being so callous.

Anyway, I have claimed that its possible the press report from moh.gov.sa was hacked.

Speculation does not matter the slightest. You are just instigating. That's exactly why there are 100 different rumors about this stampede. Because people like you with certain agendas, who where not there and who have never performed Hajj, are speculating, inventing and posting all kind of nonsense to score brownie points on some internet forum.

Nobody here on PDF will give you definite answers.

 

[21 Dec 2012]

Speculation does not matter the slightest. You are just instigating. That's exactly why there are 100 different rumors about this stampede. Because people like you, who where not there and who have never performed Hajj, are speculating, inventing and posting all type of nonsense.

That was the Saudi Ministry of Health's website right?

 

[Hack-Hook]

PressTV? Really? Surely you must be joking.

1.100 or so have been confirmed dead so far with around the similar number missing for now. The numbers keep changing. It will take several more days to get the full picture of this accident.



No, KSA orchestred this to kill some former Iranian ambassador to Lebanon and 1-2 so-called "scientists" that nobody has heard about before.

open 19 more container that hold bodies and count them and you see how much the total count would be. You guys just want dampen the shock by these games.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

That was the Saudi Ministry of Health's website right?

There have never been any such statement in public. The official number so far is 1100 with around 1000 people missing.

Any decent hacker can create such an cache version with false information. Seen 1 million times before.

I can probably do the same and I am by no means experienced on this front.

open 19 more container that hold bodies and count them and you see how much the total count would be. You guys just want dampen the shock by these games.

Whatever you say, Sherlock Holmes. I don't think that you can hide the number of casualties given that each country that has sent pilgrims will eventually know exactly how many of their people are missing. This is not rocket science but since most of your compatriots have concluded that this was an "secret operation" by KSA to eliminate an irrelevant former Iranian ambassador to Lebanon there is nothing more to discuss.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Speculation does not matter the slightest. You are just instigating. That's exactly why there are 100 different rumors about this stampede. Because people like you with certain agendas, who where not there and who have never performed Hajj, are speculating, inventing and posting all kind of nonsense to score brownie points on some internet forum.

Nobody here on PDF will give you definite answers.

or maybe because KSA is hiding something and won't let the truth out . and answer me why still our official are not allowed to see all deceased so they can find our national and why you guys wand bury the dead without returning them to their families.

 

[Madali]

There have never been any such statement in public. The official number so far is 1100 with around 1000 people missing.

Any decent hacker can create such an cache version with false information. Seen 1 million times before.

I can probably do the same and I am by no means experienced on this front.

You can easily hack a government website?

I'm impressed.

 

[Hack-Hook]

There have never been any such statement in public. The official number so far is 1100 with around 1000 people missing.

Any decent hacker can create such an cache version with false information. Seen 1 million times before.

I can probably do the same and I am by no means experienced on this front.



Whatever you say, Sherlock Holmes. I don't think that you can hide the number of casualties given that each country that has sent pilgrims will eventually know exactly how many of their people are missing. This is not rocket science but since most of your compatriots have concluded that this was an "secret operation" by KSA to eliminate an irrelevant former Iranian ambassador to Lebanon there is nothing more to discuss.

don't mind what they say answer me this was there not 21 closed container with dead bodies . was not the total death around 700 yesterday and then you guys opened 2 contained and now the number of deceased are 1100 .Honestly how can you by straight face tell us that KSA government won't know how many bodies are in those containers.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

You can easily hack a government website?

I'm impressed.

I thought that you knew English. Creating a fake cache version is not that hard. Also don't get me started on your regular webpage from the Muslim world. Kids my youngest brother age are hacking various webpages from the Muslim world regularly.

or maybe because KSA is hiding something and won't let the truth out . and answer me why still our official are not allowed to see all deceased so they can find our national and why you guys wand bury the dead without returning them to their families.

Complete nonsense.

don't mind what they say answer me this was there not 21 closed container with dead bodies . was not the total death around 700 yesterday and then you guys opened 2 contained and now the number of deceased are 1100 .Honestly how can you by straight face tell us that KSA government won't know how many bodies are in those containers.

Which containers are you talking about? Where you in Makkah yesterday? Where do you have all this information from that no international media have picked up? Only Iranian "sources". How strange.

Anyway I really don't care about this speculation. The final number will eventually be known. You cannot hide something like this. We don't live in year 1500 anymore.

 

[Madali]

I thought that you knew English. Creating a fake cache version is not that hard. Also don't get me started on your regular webpage from the Muslim world. Kids my youngest brother age are hacking various webpages from the Muslim world regularly.

The cached version I linked comes from the actual website its much more difficult to make such a cached version because it means you have to hack Google. This would be a huge deal, not nearly as easy as you say.

It would easier to hack the moh Saudi website than make a fake cache of that site hosted by Google.

Hacking the moh website is not impossible. I said that myself from my first post. But to claim you can easily make a fake cache version of the moh website hosted by Google is extremely difficult