'Hagia Sophia might be converted to a mosque': Erdogan

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

also why is everyone going on about
"turkey has rights..."
"this is turkish land.."
"turkey has a right to do...."

all of that is obvious because its called turkey, it seems like a lot of members are utilising turkey to bounce off their own agendas, mainly about califate idea which is awful. and they using turkey to legitimite their own cause "well this is pakistan... we can do what we want including xyz "

its all a bit silly to be honest

and then you got turks saying back

Why don't you just hand over the remaining Kashmir in particular and Pak in general to India, and that will change a lot for Pak in many parts of this world, and for good?!?!!!

so obviously they are not reciprocating.

personally i do not want a califate nor will i accept this. this is obvious islamist game i dont like idea.

if turkey is trying to stop islamists why would erdogan do this move, because surely this would legitimise the islamists which he is trying to stop?

also would be grateful if someone can answer this question thanks

i like secular turkey and good luck to them.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

also why is everyone going on about
"turkey has rights..."
"this is turkish land.."
"turkey has a right to do...."

all of that is obvious because its called turkey, it seems like a lot of members are utilising turkey to bounce off their own agendas, mainly about califate idea which is awful. and they using turkey to legitimite their own cause "well this is pakistan... we can do what we want including xyz "

its all a bit silly to be honest

and then you got turks saying back



so obviously they are not reciprocating.

personally i do not want a califate nor will i accept this. this is obvious islamist game i dont like idea.



also would be grateful if someone can answer this question thanks

i like secular turkey and good luck to them.

Islamist is a loaded term which is practically meaningless in the Muslim world. West coined it to disenfranchise religious or devout Muslims from politics.

We are Muslim, full stop.

Turks are the ultimate decision makers and we should not tell them what to do. It is up to the people of Turkey to make the call. We should support them either way.

Europeans and Christians have been having heart attacks and beating the drums of impending Turkish/Muslim domination for centuries, ever since we conquered Istanbul.

Like Jerusalem, it has great religious, historic, and political significance.

If it is converted back into a masjid, it will have tremendous positive impact on Turks and signal the revival of Turkey.

 

[Nein]

also why is everyone going on about
"turkey has rights..."
"this is turkish land.."
"turkey has a right to do...."

all of that is obvious because its called turkey, it seems like a lot of members are utilising turkey to bounce off their own agendas, mainly about califate idea which is awful. and they using turkey to legitimite their own cause "well this is pakistan... we can do what we want including xyz "

its all a bit silly to be honest

and then you got turks saying back



so obviously they are not reciprocating.

personally i do not want a califate nor will i accept this. this is obvious islamist game i dont like idea.



also would be grateful if someone can answer this question thanks

i like secular turkey and good luck to them.

Ataturk turned it into a musuem not to please the christians but to his policy of peace at home, peace in the world.

Ataturk did something that would hopefully lead to peace and understanding between Muslims and Christians.

But I dont see that with Orthodox Christians who constantly threaten Turkey with extermination.

Orthodox Christians butchered Muslims in Cyprus and Bosnia but they have the nerve to cry about Hagia Sophia.

Issue is not about Hagia Sophia but the city itself. Orthodox Christians wont stop until every Turk and Muslim is deported and killed from their so called holy city.

They even have a Greek Orthodox Priest who is a saint who predicts this will happen. Greek army chants of killing Turks and placing the holy cross upon Hagia Sophia they wont stop there SultanAhmet is next.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

Islamist is a loaded term which is practically meaningless in the Muslim world. West coined it to disenfranchise religious or devout Muslims from politics.

We are Muslim, full stop.

Turks are the ultimate decision makers and we should not tell them what to do. It is up to the people of Turkey to make the call. We should support them either way.

Europeans and Christians have been having heart attacks and beating the drums of impending Turkish/Muslim domination for centuries, ever since we conquered Istanbul.

Like Jerusalem, it has great religious, historic, and political significance.

If it is converted back into a masjid, it will have tremendous positive impact on Turks and signal the revival of Turkey.

Im not sure. In europe, turkey is the gateway for the west to the east and turkey is friendly to europe and europe is friendly to turkey. many british holiday makers visit turkey all year around and it is a nice place for multi cultural holiday, beach holidays and city breaks and beautiful scenery. very popular destination for many people. obviously is has deep cultural history and legacy but Jerusalem is different status as a religious site.

im not a fan of them vs us mentality and especially in europe this is a very sensitive issue and with all eyes on turkey this will have great impact on lives of people on europe, especially with the current accusation from racist people that muslims are trying to take over the world and invade europe and islamacise europe.

if you live in europe you would probably be more acquainted to this issue

Ataturk turned it into a musuem not to please the christians but to his policy of peace at home, peace in the world.

Ataturk did something that would hopefully lead to peace and understanding between Muslims and Christians.

But I dont see that with Orthodox Christians who constantly threaten Turkey with extermination.

Orthodox Christians butchered Muslims in Cyprus and Bosnia but they have the nerve to cry about Hagia Sophia.

Issue is not about Hagia Sophia but the city itself. Orthodox Christians wont stop until every Turk and Muslim is deported and killed from their so called holy city.

They even have a Greek Orthodox Priest who is a saint who predicts this will happen. Greek army chants of killing Turks and placing the holy cross upon Hagia Sophia they wont stop there SultanAhmet is next.

i dont know who is threatening turkey with extermination ?

 

[Kambojaric]

Any decision by Erdogan will be a collective decision by the Turk nation, he is a democratically elected leader with huge majority and overwhelming support of his people.

To those who are saying what will the west say or this will hurt relations with this or that, this is the problem with modern day muslims, this mind set right there is why the world of Islam has become so weak. We care about what the west will think, the muslims who were the declared superpower on earth for more than 800 yrs straight only cared about what Allah will think.

Do u think the Us, Britain, France, Russia or Israel give a flying fck what muslim nations have to say? They just follow the interest of their people. We should do the same. They can think what they like, we muslims shouldnt explain ourselves to anyone but Allah, let the spawns of Satan explain themselves to worldly Pharoahs.

I understand where you are coming from but jazba/mindset alone does not grant you success. One of the most successful individuals in Islamic history is Salahuddin Ayyubi. Whilst everyone today knows he recaptured Jerusalem from the Crusaders and began the end of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, few know that for a large part of his life Ayubi was heavily criticized by his peers for being cowardly, not attacking the crusaders head on (Ibn al Athir for example). But Ayubi always took his time. planned carefully and executed when the time was right.

Does Turkey have the moral right to turn Aya Sofia into a mosque? Absolutely. Greece/Serbia/Bulgaria and other neighboring countries have systematically destroyed Turkish/Islamic heritage in the region. However the geopolitical reality of today's world is driven by the veto power of the three biggies (USA, Russia and China). France and UK are discounted today as they are a mere extension of Washington. Any country involved in territorial disputes or dealing with terrorism post WW2 needs relations with a country which was has a presence in the security council. Whether we like it or not, that is the reality of the modern world.

Turkey's relations with US/West Europe is on a downwards trend which is likely to continue for the foreseeable future. The EU membership process has been dragging on for decades with all kinds of flimsy excuses being used which were completely ignored when countries such as Bulgaria or Romania wanted to become members. Kurdish terrorist groups are openly given refuge. The Western veto is therefore not an option for Turkey today. Turkish relations with China are similarly not good due to the Uyghur issue. This leaves Russia as the only route Ankara has to a veto today.

Of course Turkey could step up completely independent but is it truly ready to take on such a role? It has too many enemies looking for an opportunity to pounce on it. The country has shown resounding economic growth in the recent decade or two. The best option as I see it is to continue quietly rising. Increase its influence in the Balkans/Middle East, not engage in acts which will deteriorate relations with the neighboring countries (especially Russia) until the time is right to strike.

 

[urienreghed]

Islamist is a loaded term which is practically meaningless in the Muslim world. West coined it to disenfranchise religious or devout Muslims from politics.

most europeans don't like : neither political islam or political christianity

We are Muslim, full stop.

Muslim doesn't mean one entity. why? because some guys use it as political tool.

Europeans and Christians have been having heart attacks and beating the drums of impending Turkish/Muslim domination for centuries, ever since we conquered Istanbul.

"we"? you are Turk?
they conquered Constantinople (at the time of the conquest)

Like Jerusalem, it has great religious, historic, and political significance.

not the way many islamists think. Jerusalem is the all religions city. but we should respect the mother of our religions, judaism.

If it is converted back into a masjid, it will have tremendous positive impact on Turks and signal the revival of Turkey.

I prefer smart Ataturk
but as you say . choice of Turks ... if anyway Turks think the same than Erdogan about this matter.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Im not sure. In europe, turkey is the gateway for the west to the east and turkey is friendly to europe and europe is friendly to turkey. many british holiday makers visit turkey all year around and it is a nice place for multi cultural holiday, beach holidays and city breaks and beautiful scenery. very popular destination for many people. obviously is has deep cultural history and legacy but Jerusalem is different status as a religious site.

im not a fan of them vs us mentality and especially in europe this is a very sensitive issue and with all eyes on turkey this will have great impact on lives of people on europe, especially with the current accusation from racist people that muslims are trying to take over the world and invade europe and islamacise europe.

if you live in europe you would probably be more acquainted to this issue



i dont know who is threatening turkey with extermination ?

People to people contact vs politics.

 

[thesolar65]

India has a lot to learn from this Turkish decision and specially from Pakistani members comments and more so one or two Muslim Indian members(by the flags) who feel delighted!

 

[Agnihotra]

Do it.

 

[bsruzm]

India has a lot to learn from this Turkish decision and specially from Pakistani members comments and more so one or two Muslim Indian members(by the flags) who feel delighted!

You will have a lot to learn from T-129 ATAK's, Ada-class warship's, don't worry

 

[M.AsfandYar]

You will have a lot to learn from T-129 ATAK's, Ada-class warship's, don't worry

I see what you did there

 

[Timur]

guys you dont know what you are talking about..

even bulgars or macedonians their thorn in the eyes are Hagia sofia and Istanbul.. they want it back like an addict wants his next crystal meth.. it wont end with just a building their demand is much higher..after istanbul whats their next wish? the wish of the europeans is to send back the turks to middle asia..


turning hagia sofia to a museum was a mistake if you think about the ppl you want to give a message.. its like giving pkk a hand they take it actually as an act of weakness.. or would you give a picasso painting to a redneck villager? the outcome of it would be a desaster

 

[Clutch]

Their country their rules...

 

[thesolar65]

You will have a lot to learn from T-129 ATAK's, Ada-class warship's, don't worry

What are those?

Anyway, You didn't get it what I meant......Leave it, Let those who understand it, let them answer.

But right now, Just do it and we will get the cue.

 

[HannibalBarca]

most europeans don't like : neither political islam or political christianity

Muslim doesn't mean one entity. why? because some guys use it as political tool.


"we"? you are Turk?
they conquered Constantinople (at the time of the conquest)

not the way many islamists think. Jerusalem is the all religions city. but we should respect the mother of our religions, judaism.

I prefer smart Ataturk
but as you say . choice of Turks ... if anyway Turks think the same than Erdogan about this matter.

What is Political Christianity? and what is Political islam? Do you mean a Theocracy?

Yes we use "We"... as a Turk may use "WE" when he says "We conquered Mecca". Since in Islam... Ethnicity doesn't matter.

Judaism is the mother religion of Christianity not Islam... For Us... Every prophet was a "Muslim".
Muslim mean "The one who submit his will to the only True God"... Something EVERY prophet did and said, Including Jesus (PBUH) himself.