H6K for Pakistan Strategic Forces

[maverick1977]

What if it will be taken down by enemy jets, and NAVAL SAM (Barak-8) we have different tactics to launch stand off anti ship missiles against the enemy's ships and land target ( From land we have ZARB/From sea we have C-802/C-803/ from underwater we have Exocet/Harpoon/ from air we CM-400-AKG/C-802 etc etc) which is more survival plate form than big RCS H-6K

it can strike 4 times the distance away with ALCMs 600kms Raad 2. can also be used in anti ship role carrying C802s and C803s, best way to sink indian armada and create naval supremacy... 10 hard points, bye bye indian naval carrier battle group.

 

[khail007]

Thats the first to keep in mind... Best for standby roles initially.

Lets just say Feb 27 and bombing was done by H6Ks, they will carry 10 times more loads and fighters will provide cover. one sortie 10 times more load to take out Airbases, hardened Pens, SAMs/radars, fuel and arms depots, HQs and Comm.... one sortie can deliver a massive blow to enemy before invasion.

Strategy is good but conditional with complete element of surprise and secondly to stick to continuously offensive posture to keep the enemy at bay.
The most important is Pakistan should have a second strike capability to further keep the enemy from thinking about nuclear escalation.

 

[maverick1977]

and what for fighter jet interceptions??? from MKI or MIG-29/MIG-29K???

You use the same tactics as Feb27th with fighter cover vectored with JF17/F16 and H6Ks can pick Indian aircraft carrier with dozens of C802/C803s

Strategy is good but conditional with complete element of surprise and secondly to stick to continuously offensive posture to keep the enemy at bay.
The most important is Pakistan should have a second strike capability to further keep the enemy from thinking about nuclear escalation.

Having massive conventional response can lower the nuclear threshold, thats what pakistan should strive for...

 

[Ultima Thule]

Good Question. F16s based in Bholari would give escorts like they give to P3Cs

More F-16 would be used in naval warfare, in case of war with enemy we don't have enough F-16 to fight with them all front, (From Kashmir to Arabian sea), and in my personal opinions Bholari air base is more looking toward than East (Indian Rajhistan) rather than a Arabian sea

 

[maverick1977]

More F-16 would be used in naval warfare, in case of war with enemy we don't have enough F-16 to fight with them all front, (From Kashmir to Arabian sea), and in my personal opinions Bholari air base is more looking toward than East (Indian Rajhistan) rather than a Arabian sea

Block 3 with PL10s/PL15s can keep Mig29s at bay while H6K can strike Indian assets with lets say in surprise attack 160 C802s/C803s??

That should be enough to decimate or retreat indian navy to bay of bengal.

 

[Ultima Thule]

it can strike 4 times the distance away with ALCMs 600kms Raad 2. can also be used in anti ship role carrying C802s and C803s, best way to sink indian armada and create naval supremacy... 10 hard points, bye bye indian naval carrier battle group.

And the India naval battle groups are not equipped with long range radars and supported by AWACS in case of war with us and scramble their MKI from coastal areas and MIG-29K from carriers

 

[maverick1977]

And the India naval battle groups are not equipped with long range radars and supported by AWACS in case of war with us and scramble their MKI from coastal areas and MIG-29K from carriers

true you have JF17s with PL10s which are now free for air to air combat and not stuck and split in naval role, backed by AWACs... you need to out range them like Feb27 and outgun with H6K delivery massive amount of anti ship for complete psychological impact or 60% asset destruction.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

PL10s

PL 10 is WVR. PL 15 is BVR

 

[maverick1977]

PL 10 is WVR. PL 15 is BVR

my bad PL12 and PL15 combo

 

[Ultima Thule]

You use the same tactics as Feb27th with fighter cover vectored with JF17/F16 and H6Ks can pick Indian aircraft carrier with dozens of C802/C803s

And which one is more survival option for attacking Indian CVBG attack from your proposed H-6K which need escort which means we will have less JF-17/F-16 in other sectors of the war, and 2nd don't Match FEB-27 situation with this situation, we can't mask or hide our jets/Bombers in open oceans from enemy Ships and long range AESA in their coastal areas , in previous year at LOC we had Mountains to mask/hide from Indian radars and AWACS

true you have JF17s with PL10s which are now free for air to air combat and not stuck and split in naval role, backed by AWACs... you need to out range them like Feb27 and outgun with H6K delivery massive amount of anti ship for complete psychological impact or 60% asset destruction.

Not this stupid argument again we will not have masking and hiding capability in a open ocean, at FEB-27 we have Mountains to hide and mask

 

[maverick1977]

And which one is more survival option for attacking Indian CVBG attack from your proposed H-6K which need escort which means we will have less JF-17/F-16 in other sectors of the war, and 2nd don't Match FEB-27 situation with this situation, we can't mask or hide our jets/Bombers in open oceans from enemy Ships and long range AESA in their coastal areas , in previous year at LOC we had Mountains to mask/hide from Indian radars and AWACS

if you have JF17 and Mirages delivering the payload, you will still need escort. Mirages and Jf17 cannot perform simultaneous air to air and anti ship role based on payload constraints. why not free up those assets for a2a role and use a dedicated anti ship massive ordinance deliverer.

this way you have increased the survivability of your assets twice and are delivering 10 times more anti ship weapons.

Between you can arm a heavy long range cruise missile then like CJ10.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CJ-10_(missile)

 

[Ultima Thule]

my bad PL12 and PL15 combo

PL-15 is not Inducted yet, and PL-12 has only a range of 100 KM

 

[maverick1977]

And which one is more survival option for attacking Indian CVBG attack from your proposed H-6K which need escort which means we will have less JF-17/F-16 in other sectors of the war, and 2nd don't Match FEB-27 situation with this situation, we can't mask or hide our jets/Bombers in open oceans from enemy Ships and long range AESA in their coastal areas , in previous year at LOC we had Mountains to mask/hide from Indian radars and AWACS


Not this stupid argument again we will not have masking and hiding capability in a open ocean, at FEB-27 we have Mountains to hide and mask

no we had jammers and we didnt sneak in, indians saw us coming... we didnt mask mountains.. pls read the feb 27th action for details.

 

[Ultima Thule]

if you have JF17 and Mirages delivering the payload, you will still need escort. Mirages and Jf17 cannot perform simultaneous air to air and anti ship role based on payload constraints. why not free up those assets for a2a role and use a dedicated anti ship massive ordinance deliverer.

this way you have increased the survivability of your assets twice and are delivering 10 times more anti ship weapons.

Between you can arm a heavy long range cruise missile then like CJ10.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CJ-10_(missile)

Oh JF-17 can do simultaneous missions in single mission, but you're are right about Mirages , and how can we survive H-6K from naval war its a easy target for any enemy, we need more J-16 type naval deep strike jets which can defend itself, and saturation attacks from different plate forms like from land/sea/under the sea/ air more survival than single launch option by military of Pakistan

no we had jammers and we didnt sneak in, indians saw us coming... we didnt mask mountains.. pls read the feb 27th action for details.

Oh Bhai we did a mask behind the mountain read full thread about it, and its not a bad thing for any air force to exploit the weakness of the enemy

 

[maverick1977]

Oh JF-17 can do simultaneous missions in single mission, but you're are right about Mirages , and how can we survive H-6K from naval war its a easy target for any enemy, we need more J-16 type naval deep strike jets which can defend itself, and saturation attacks from different plate forms like from land/sea/under the sea/ air more survival than single launch option by military of Pakistan


Oh Bhai we did a mask behind the mountain read full thread about it, and its not a bad thing for any air force to exploit the weakness of the enemy

we can agree on one point, Pakistan need a heavy hitter with higher payload capacity.

yes survivability of j16 is far higher than H6K ...

where is the compromise, on delivery higher payload with less survivability or lower payload with higher survivability.. depends on objectives and long term strategy

i am of the opinion, other planes can increase H6k survivability, and can deliver higher payload in return, which will turn the tide of war in pakistans favor without going nuclear r