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Did they test the weapon over the sea in South Africa or in Pakistan?
If they did test a BVRAAM, where is the proof that H-2 is this BVRAAM?
Why were radars first put in aircraft? To find enemy aircraft. Why are radars upgraded? To improve the ability to find enemy aircraft.
ROSE II/III use FLIR for night-time operations, low-level flying (there is a video where you can clearly see a small monitor showing the FLIR image just under the HUD), not just for targeting. I have also read the ROSE Mirage FLIRs have laser range-finders, perhaps they are simply for low-level flying and range finding, not targeting. Any proof that the FLIR is required for targeting?
PAF officials compare the seeker of H-4 and H-2 with the seekers of AA-12, Python 4, etc. Where do PAF officials call it a BVR missile?
The South African PGMs can also be fitted with radar seekers according to their website, similar to the R-77/AA-12. Didn't the PAF officials compare the seekers and not the missiles?
Your argument is lousy because you keep saying "PAF needed a BVRAAM so H-2 must be a BVRAAM," even though according to the newspaper they said it is a PGM.
On the other hand, H-2 being a BVRAAM makes no sense at all. Why spend so much money developing a new BVRAAM just for two squadrons of 30-40 year old Mirage III, then tell the Chinese you want SD-10 on the JF-17
"Grifo M3 is BVRAAM capable so H-2 must be a BVRAAM" - even though you admit PAF had no decent airborne radars at the time and needed the Grifo M3 just for patrolling.
You are really confused hereFirstly, one of the main reasons ROSE I have good radars is PAF had no fighters with radars good enough for patrolling - only F-16, and those had to be grounded due to lack of spare parts.
"PAF tested missiles over the sea in South Africa, so H-2 must be a BVRAAM" - even though you don't know any of the details.
The only difference between ROSE I and ROSE II/III is that the latter have FLIR instead of radar.
Where do PAF officials call it a BVR missile?
Is H-2 radar guided or IR guided? Show me an IR guided air-to-air missile with a range of 60 km?
well I can say for sure that Pakistan hasn't got the technology to domestically produce Seekers however it may be able to modify or optimise the existing seeker technology. When talking about solid state electronics Pakistan is way way too behind__SADLY!!
PAF adds new bombs to its arsenal -DAWN - Top Stories; December 18, 2003And that why this discussion started in first place as you are demanded final prove, so why not you provide it and end this discussion?? I will be waiting for you prove friend
ISLAMABAD, Dec 17: Pakistan Air Force has integrated the H-4 out-of-sight target bombs in its arsenal of fighter aircraft, official sources said.
The incorporation of H-4 bombs have added to the capability of the PAF to hit out-of-sight targets from a distance of up to 120 kilometres to evade enemy radars during air strikes. A lighter version of the bomb, H-2 model, can hit the out-of-sight targets from a range of up to 60 kilometres.
http://www.pakdef.info/pids/paf/mirageupgrade.htmlAs far as the targeting capability and PGM is concerned please Google for the targeting pods and their use for PGM. Rose-II/III all use the similar capability but internally build.
...twenty Mirage Vs would be modernized to the ROSE-II standards (ROSE-II modification is the same as ROSE-I, except the Griffo-M radar is replaced by FLIR....
ROSE (Retrofit of Strike Element) Upgrade program completed... The avionics upgrade included... an IRCCD Forward Looking Infra Red navigation sensor for reconnaissance applications - laser rangefinder - [/B]air data sensors and computer - radar altimeter, and high capacity data transfer unit . In the French upgrade, GEC head-up display and HOTAS similar to Mirage-2000 is used. One of the French Mirages serial number 93.725 was displayed at the 1999 Paris Air Show showed FLIR of French origin.
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Smart weapons capabilities may be further exploited by the navigation/targeting pod shown SAGEM's Mirage 5F at Le Bourget....Although identified as the DART pod, this appears identical to Rafael's LITENING pod. Other Mirage 5F upgrades included an integrated electronic warfare suite, on-board oxygen generation system (OBOGS), and single point pressure refueling... At the time Pakistan was interested in South African Darter series of missiles...
PAF adds new bombs to its arsenal -DAWN - Top Stories; December 18, 2003Now no where PAF officials compare the H-2 with the IR guidance only H-4 is said to have the IR guidance and I have said before that in my previous post and it’s from the news item that I posted form dawn and form the Pakistani source link you posted but you are again and again saying same thing please refer us where it is said that H-2 uses the IR guidance system?
A lighter version of the bomb, H-2 model, can hit the out-of-sight targets from a range of up to 60 kilometres....
The H-4 infrared device is said to be comparable to that of the AA11, AA12 and Python 4 in the Indian arsenal.
http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/weapons/59/raptor-1-glide-bomb-h-2Again you are making an argument that simply have no grounds at all non of the SA PGM is using the radar seekers currently and only MMW seekers are offered if customer wishes the capability but never tested such capacity
Raptor 1 Glide Bomb (H-2)
Description:
In later versions, navigation can be autonomous, by waypoint or by using GPS-assisted inertial navigation. The weapon is usually fitted with a passive TV seeker. It can be upgraded to include an imaging infra red or radar seeker. The weapon is accurate to within 3m CEP. In SAAF service it is either fitted with a fragmentation or penetration warhead.
Aeronaut: Kargil Conflict and Pakistan Air ForceNow where did I said that PAF had no decent radar so they needed GrifoM3? Stop foolish argument which has no basis at all.
It also must be noted too that other than F-16s, the PAF did not have a capable enough fighter for patrolling, as the minimum requirement in this scenario was an on-board airborne intercept radar, exceptional agility and sufficient staying power. F-7s had reasonably good manoeuvrability but lacked an intercept radar as well as endurance, while the ground attack Mirage-III/5s and A-5s were sitting ducks for the air combat mission.
It is a step towards adding the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles to our arsenal for defensive purposes and to address the strategic imbalance in the region," Pakistan daily Dawn quoted PAF officials as saying. Now this statement is extremely important as this is in quoting PAF officials and it doesn’t have a blend of super journalism by these journalists.
It clearly states Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles not Beyond Visual Range (BVR) Bombs as described by them
I hope that you can read the red bold part this time
PAF did not have a capable enough fighter for patrolling, as the minimum requirement in this scenario was an on-board airborne intercept radar
IF you can give us a hint with which air craft these are being used? Mirage-III/V Rose-series??
Man you guys are percistent.
Salaam
If PAF has decided to keep all this stuff secret, i think brother you should not divulge this information on an internet forum.