Gwadar another Dubai emerging on world map: Chinese media

[Joe Shearer]

You are drifting from the topic again. Let me repeat in the most simplest way.

What are you doing here if you are not obsessed with Pakistan and everything about Pakistan? Not surprised with your stupid question.

I told you what I am doing here. Which part couldn't you understand?

And in the middle of your not-surprised state, you could try answering the question I put. If it's so stupid, you shouldn't be huffing and puffing.

He like many other indian members here will stray away from the topic, and come up with lame logics to hide their obsession but wont answer what he's asked for.

dont you get it by now.

The topic here is Gwadar to be another Dubai emerging on the world map.

Are you on topic? or is faffing around your idea of being topical?

The purpose of Gwadar port is to expand from Pakistan to all the directions in the future. From China to the North/East, Afghanistan to the Central Asia, Iran to the Turkey [possible] and Middle East.



That doesn't mean they should be let off the hook. They should use reminder more often.

LOL.

You mean once in the less than 18 posts that you manage a month, you will do the reminding? And that this month's eighteen is already well on the way with three reminders?

WHAT a valuable member! Your contribution really counts!! Why, it's got both quality and quantity!!!

 

[Arsalan]

Long story short, CPEC is a good thing for us, lots of potential there and must be exploited properly. Gwadar will be the door to progress, the whole Baluchistan will be!

I do not see any reason comparing it with Dubai or Cape Town or Antwerp for that matter, it is Gwadar and it is ours. Get it developed and do not screw up and we will be better off. Now any arguments on if Gwadar is Dubai are ridiculous but they are only as ridiculous as the arguments as how Gwadar is NOT Dubai!!

 

[SrNair]

To me india is a monster, an enemy state that is 8 times bigger than us, that poses a threat to my unique race and our way of life. For that reason I discuss this evil monstrosity on a PAKISTANI forum as I'm a Pakistani patriot. I don't feel the need to go to an enemy indian website/forum to express my opinions nor do I care about the thoughts, delusions and opinions of our enemies. Or what they say or think. That is because I have convictions, beliefs and faith in my race, religion, culture and way of life.

If you REALLY did believe in the power & greatness of the indian race and nation, and in your culture, religion and indian way of life then you would NEVER EVER be on defence.pk. You would be amongst your own. You being here, shows that you have little faith in your race and nation which is why you have to be on your enemy's forum trying to somehow justify and validate your opinions and belief to your enemies. That is the height of insecurity.




And that was never the intention. It was always about China & Pakistan. And as China is 1 of only 2 nations on the planet that is a superpower (set to become the world's 1st ever global hyperpower that no nation on earth can never ever match) that is all that is needed for success. The thoughts and opinions of random trolls does not change this ground reality and ingrained fact.




The indians on pdf are here on their enemy's forum because they are insecure with regards to their race, culture, nation and way of life. If they weren't then they would leave never to return. I have often thought about this, if I were the same with regards to Pakistan, I would go to some indian website/forum and try to troll and be obnoxious there. That is a reality that no one can deny.

I dont care your emotions or what you feel about it .Infact noone cares.If we were a monster and lack of faith in our own race,Pakistanis and entire Middle East ,Central Asians wouldnt be here for our medical facilities.
Your uniquness can be see in the monumental folly of your diplomacy and growth rate .
Unique race

We dont care whether this a Pak forum or Chinese forum.If you use our nation's name for score point then you are definitely asking Indians to counter that stupidity.We will do that whether you likes or not.
You dont need Indians in PDF?
Then you should ask your mods to ban Indian defence forum group in PDF,you should also ask your mods to block or ban anything that even mention name 'India' and should also ban entire Indians.
Can you do that?
If you can that so be it.

 

[Jason Zhao]

IT WILL BE A GREAT NEWS, NEW DUBAI~~~SHINING IN PAKSITAN.

 

[ghazi768]

It wasn't about blaming the Chinese. It was a personal opinion that they won't come to a military defence. There is reasoning behind it. Wherever China has moved, she has first put in place overwhelming strength, and a very clear strategic vision. Examples: the Korean War, India-China 1962, Vietnam 1989. And in spite of that, Vietnam was a setback of major proportions. Please consider that they have not attempted an invasion of Taiwan, even while huffing and puffing about it for two-thirds of a century.

About Gwadar, I expect to see them build it up as a commercial entrepot first and foremost, and only as a secondary effort, start putting defences in place. They will take their time, they will put in passive defences first, they will slowly expand until they have active defences. Until that time, they will not seek trouble. If there is trouble, they will assess the situation and take action only if they are certain of victory.

As I mentioned, this military vulnerability of Gwadar Port was an incidental aspect of the whole project, mentioned as it is a reality, and it was not intended to take centre space. I am surprised that it has.

Your is a balanced post and opinion, I think that the reason they have not yet invaded Taiwan is that it has not yet crossed their strategic threshold i.e. claiming independence. I think Chinese have again and again shown that they are ready to go to war if they think that they have no other options left in their strategic calculus.

About Gawadar, I do not think that they intend to post any fleet here, they will try more to enhance our capabilities to be able to successfully defend our coast and this is the direction in which things are heading. For time being they will prefer to keep increasing their naval capability in east and south east Asia and will prefer not to divert it to Indian Ocean.

My opinion is that in the present geo-political environment they consider their relation with Pakistan to be of strategic importance and vice versa as well. If war breaks out between Pakistan and India and it heads in the wrong direction to their strategic calculus than I have not an iota of a doubt that they will join it, they are fully prepared for this eventuality.

 

[Valkyrie]

@Joe Shearer
I've been reading your posts for a while now and I've almost always found them to be palpably pompous, snobbish - with sarcastic overtones. I just want to ask if you've any insecurity that compels to express yourself this way? To sound more intelligent or informed than you are?

Rarely have I found your post to contain any concrete or meaningful information, mostly it's facetious mockery of anything Pakistani. (Perhaps you can be so kind as to direct me to any contribution of yours that has benefited readers without having underlying allusions of contempt?) Regardless, as of now its evidently that you lose all modicums of objectivity while assessing events/developments concerning Pakistan.

The subject under discussion is Economic Potential of Gawadar and so far your contribution in this thread has been rather unproductive. As a mod, aren't you supposed to do better?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Your is a balanced post and opinion, I think that the reason they have not yet invaded Taiwan is that it has not yet crossed their strategic threshold i.e. claiming independence. I think Chinese have again and again shown that they are ready to go to war if they think that they have no other options left in their strategic calculus.

You have a point. I don't entirely agree with it, but agree that it demands careful consideration, and agree that it may need to be incorporated into any thinking about Chinese motives and actions.

About Gawadar, I do not think that they intend to post any fleet here, they will try more to enhance our capabilities to be able to successfully defend our coast and this is the direction in which things are heading. For time being they will prefer to keep increasing their naval capability in east and south east Asia and will prefer not to divert it to Indian Ocean.

I personally think that this is precisely what they will do initially, perhaps with the addition of frequent visits by naval units to the Indian Ocean, to make the point that they consider that this is well within their rights, and to ensure that this right is preserved through this present period of relatively lower presence against some future need.

My opinion is that in the present geo-political environment they consider their relation with Pakistan to be of strategic importance and vice versa as well. If war breaks out between Pakistan and India and it heads in the wrong direction to their strategic calculus than I have not an iota of a doubt that they will join it, they are fully prepared for this eventuality.

I think you may be right, but would like to add that where exactly they draw the line may depend on circumstances at that time, their internal political dynamic, and their general state of readiness to decide in one way or the other.

That was interesting input, and it was so nice to get it without the attendant seemingly obligatory blasts of rancour. Thank you very much.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I dont care your emotions or what you feel about it .Infact noone cares.If we were a monster and lack of faith in our own race,Pakistanis and entire Middle East ,Central Asians wouldnt be here for our medical facilities.
Your uniquness can be see in the monumental folly of your diplomacy and growth rate .
Unique race

We dont care whether this a Pak forum or Chinese forum.If you use our nation's name for score point then you are definitely asking Indians to counter that stupidity.We will do that whether you likes or not.
You dont need Indians in PDF?
Then you should ask your mods to ban Indian defence forum group in PDF,you should also ask your mods to block or ban anything that even mention name 'India' and should also ban entire Indians.
Can you do that?
If you can that so be it.

But as a ultra indian nationalist like yourself, a Pakistani forum must be hell on earth for someone like you. Think you would be better off with your own kind. As long as indian does not attack or attempt to invade Pakistan, I could not give a toss about a race of people who are as alien to me as are the Sub-Saharan Africans.

 

[Viny]

Being optimistic, if Gwadar can be another Dubai, then Dharavi (mumbai) can be another shanghai.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer
I've been reading your posts for a while now and I've almost always found them to be palpably pompous, snobbish - with sarcastic overtones. I just want to ask if you've any insecurity that compels to express yourself this way? To sound more intelligent or informed than you are?

Rarely have I found your post to contain any concrete or meaningful information, mostly it's facetious mockery of anything Pakistani. (Perhaps you can be so kind as to direct me to any contribution of yours that has benefited readers without having underlying allusions of contempt?) Regardless, as of now its evidently that you lose all modicums of objectivity while assessing events/developments concerning Pakistan.

The subject under discussion is Economic Potential of Gawadar and so far your contribution in this thread has been rather unproductive. As a mod, aren't you supposed to do better?

Thank you for your detailed observation.

As I don't write to please anyone, or to displease anyone, I am afraid what you see is what you will get. As long as I am inclined to participate. It is my sovereign desire that will determine that, or the decision of the administration of this blog.

Incidentally, I am NOT a Mod. There is a practice among the Mods to distinguish their pronouncements in their positions of responsibility from their own personal views. If I had been a Mod, I would necessarily have been far more circumspect, in line with the very high ideals set by (most of) them; my relatively relaxed style of writing is due to freedom from those responsibilities.

I will now quote Forrest Gump, thereby giving myself, if nobody else, great pleasure.

"And that is all I have to say to that."

 

[Valkyrie]

Thank you for your detailed observation.

As I don't write to please anyone, or to displease anyone, I am afraid what you see is what you will get. As long as I am inclined to participate. It is my sovereign desire that will determine that, or the decision of the administration of this blog.

Incidentally, I am NOT a Mod. There is a practice among the Mods to distinguish their pronouncements in their positions of responsibility from their own personal views. If I had been a Mod, I would necessarily have been far more circumspect, in line with the very high ideals set by (most of) them; my relatively relaxed style of writing is due to freedom from those responsibilities.

I will now quote Forrest Gump, thereby giving myself, if nobody else, great pleasure.

"And that is all I have to say to that."

Interesting. I'll be on a lookout for your future posts - see if any reason emerges that makes me reassess my perception towards you.

 

[SrNair]

But as a ultra indian nationalist like yourself, a Pakistani forum must be hell on earth for someone like you. Think you would be better off with your own kind. As long as indian does not attack or attempt to invade Pakistan, I could not give a toss about a race of people who are as alien to me as are the Sub-Saharan Africans.

Again we will defend the name of our nation even if it discuss in the bottom of the hell
Noone from India attacked or defended Pakistan.Then what are you doing in India based topic?
Just ignore it .
Sub Saharans are way smarter than you

 

[S.Y.A]

If one looks at the map of Gwadar, all one is able to see are housing societies, nothing else. If it is to be like Dubai, then it should be planned and developed like Dubai, instead of putting houses on every empty space, there should be resorts, parks, tourist attractions, and industrial zones. It should not be developed like the rest of the country, space should be left for green belts and parks between different residential societies.

 

[v9s]

Because it has no serious naval opposition, either in the Gulf or elsewhere, after the crumbling of the Soviet Navy.

No. It stations its carrier fleet in the gulf to stabilize the region. So pissant countries like Iran, Iraq and Somalia don't disrupt the shipping lines.

The same reason why the Chinese would ideally like a presence in Gwadar.

 

[S.Y.A]

If one looks south of the Gwadar port, one can see that the entire coastline has been dedicated for a "Singhar Housing Scheme" and "Sea View Apartments". That is prime real estate right there. Sea facing land, best for a resort, or tourist attraction, full of greenery, but hell no! lets put houses everywhere. Cities should develop vertically, not horizontally. Even if they want to develop residential projects, then only high rise apartments should be allowed, and a bit of land set aside for large estates.