Gwadar: An unfulfilled dream

[Kaniska]

Who said "you will go" - in fact "you will be kicked out". Know the difference

It does not matter...What matters is that although Afganistan is not an immediate neighour of India still then India creates postive impact in Afganistan....And that matters a lot for India...

 

[Black Widow]

Gawadar: A threat to many... Blessing for Pakistan and china...
this port will pose a serious threat to many countries who are competing with chinies product...traditional sea route is lengthy for china.. With this port they can save much time and money.. Pakistan can make huge money as well..


Balochistan: Its Pakistan Internal issue, they will handle it, if not they will loose it like Bangladesh.. Indian doesn't care bout it.. Some of my pakistani brother will rant that we did wrong in Bangladesh... Boss We had no choice, the refugees were flooding in our country.. It was creating problem for us..

I will assure My pakistani brother that india have no intention to do 1972 in balochistan (Balochistan don't affect us).. We don't care whet happen there..

But, if Iran face the same issue, Refugee will be flooded into there country, they may take some action...

 

[MastanKhan]

The bragging you mentioned may inform the general public. But I don't think the media is responsible for other countries to take notice of such a big project. There are technologies to find out what is going on without the media publicizing it. I in fact believe Pakistan by being open about it has prevented the unnecessary paranoia that would have created in the west otherwise.

Sir,

Paks have a habbit of bragging about things in the pipeline and things that would be in the pipeline in the future----and every time they fail most of the time---or there are hinderances created in their way to delay those projects which in turn harm the forward and smoother movement

Gwadar should never have ben brought into limelight by pres Musharraf---until it was a complete go---paks are like little children----they get a smell of candy and they can't control their emotions----.

Gwadar changes the balance of power in the gulf and surrounding areas when paks talk about the chinese sharing the base with pak navy---. It puts a lots of pressure on the americans---who have already been cornered out of the oil world market----gwadar also puts a stoppage to their access to afghanistan if the chinese find a base here----because of precious metals found in afg----that creates a bigger problem for the americans---.

Then there is india, britain, france----each one of them have their own issues with the chinese.

Now for the public----pak public doesnot need to know anything----neither they are mentally capable to understand the significance----nor they have the prowess to swallow the importance of their real estate---actually the moment they feel they have become important in a game----they just totally lose it .

Paks need to understand that when they talk----the world is listening---most other nations talk and the world don't give a rats ar-se----but when it comes to pak---it is a different ballgame----.

You replied to my post---that is why I am replying to it-----thank you.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

^ It has everything to do with the article as the author says Islamabad believes indian-sponsored agents are involved in Balochistan, and India sees Gwadar Port in Balochistan Province of Pakistan a major threat therefore creating havoc in the important province of Pakistan.

I wonder why the Balochis fall prey to forces that are not quite happy with Pakistan.

After all, since Pakistan is doing a lot for balochistan along with the chinese, they should be happy.

 

[Kaniska]

Sensible analysis...

 

[Areesh]

Gawadar: A threat to many... Blessing for Pakistan and china...
this port will pose a serious threat to many countries who are competing with chinies product...traditional sea route is lengthy for china.. With this port they can save much time and money.. Pakistan can make huge money as well..


Balochistan: Its Pakistan Internal issue, they will handle it, if not they will loose it like Bangladesh.. Indian doesn't care bout it.. Some of my pakistani brother will rant that we did wrong in Bangladesh... Boss We had no choice, the refugees were flooding in our country.. It was creating problem for us..

I will assure My pakistani brother that india have no intention to do 1972 in balochistan (Balochistan don't affect us).. We don't care whet happen there..

But, if Iran face the same issue, Refugee will be flooded into there country, they may take some action...

First of all Balochistan is obviously not Bangladesh. The difference between the conditions of Balochistan and East Pakistan in 1971 is huge. It can't become like one even with all the terrorist activities of BLA. BLA might create a law and order situation in the province but isn't a big threat for Pakistan unlike Mukti Bahni of 1971. Even for the sake of argument if we assume that Balochistan becomes the East Pakistan of March 1971, even in that condition Iran won't do anything like what Bharat did due to it's animosity for Pakistan in 1971. The fact is these Baluch secessionists are as a big threat for Iran as for Pakistan. In this case BLA is an enemy for both Pakistan and Iran. Why would it do something stupid to support it's own enemy. Anything stupid by Irani govt might lead to secession of Sistan province of Iran more than Baluchistan province of Pakistan. The fact is Iran is not Bharat and even if it tried to invade Baluchistan province like Bharat did due to so called influx of refugees Pakistan has enough power to counter any threat from Iran. Even though it is too small of a possibility but Iran can't stand in front of Pakistan in any conventional conflict.

 

[A1Kaid]

Pak, Uzbekistan to enhance coop in trade, energy

He said Uzbekistan was developing road and Railways connectivity with Afghanistan. Shavkat Mirziyoyev said Uzbekistan is already building a rail link up to Mazar-e-Sharif and it could be further extended to Gwadar to promote trade. He said Uzbekistan would extend full cooperation to Pakistan in the agricultural and energy sectors.

Gilani said Pakistan’s Gwadar and Karachi seaports could facilitate trade between Central Asian Republics, Middle East, Africa and beyond. He proposed that a trilateral trade agreement between Afghanistan, Uzbekistan and Pakistan can be reached at in this regard. The leaders of Pakistan and Uzbekistan also discussed various proposals to enhance bilateral trade and economic cooperation and agreed on pursuing a joint strategy in this regard.

PM Gilani did make a state visit to Tajikistan and Uzbekistan to rally Central Asian support for Gwadar. Most likely he also discussed with them about connecting CA trading routes and linking it with Gwadar. Let's pay attention to future developments regarding this. So plans are being drawn up, and implementation process may be in progress.

 

[Omar1984]

Gawadar: A threat to many... Blessing for Pakistan and china...
this port will pose a serious threat to many countries who are competing with chinies product...traditional sea route is lengthy for china.. With this port they can save much time and money.. Pakistan can make huge money as well..


Balochistan: Its Pakistan Internal issue, they will handle it, if not they will loose it like Bangladesh.. Indian doesn't care bout it.. Some of my pakistani brother will rant that we did wrong in Bangladesh... Boss We had no choice, the refugees were flooding in our country.. It was creating problem for us..

I will assure My pakistani brother that india have no intention to do 1972 in balochistan (Balochistan don't affect us).. We don't care whet happen there..

But, if Iran face the same issue, Refugee will be flooded into there country, they may take some action...

LOL indian wet dream. indians dont know anything about any country outside bharat.

Almost all Baloch are Sunnis and Iran is majority Shia. Iran has a similar insurgency problem in its Sistan-Baluchistan Province, and the Iranians call these Baloch rebels terrorists. Iran also blamed the Baloch from Pakistan's Balochistan province for causing terrorist activities in Iran. The Iranians will never accept Baloch refugees from Pakistan's Balochistan province.

And for your information there are less than 8 million Baloch in Pakistan (a country of 185 million people) and not all Baloch live in Balochistan province. Pashtuns are becoming the majority in Balochistan province and the Pashtuns of Balochistan dont want to break away from Pakistan.

Bengalis made the largest ethnic group in Pakistan before 1971, our army could not control that large of a population back then.

 

[ajpirzada]

all we need is a road link to quetta and punjab... work was underway but it has almost stopped due to zero funds. but as per my understanding, this project should have been prioritized when rationalizing the budget...

 

[DelhiDareDevil]

If everything was a fulfilled dream, they would be no poverty in this world.

See a lot of threads here on this dream topic, but its good to believe imo.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

all we need is a road link to quetta and punjab... work was underway but it has almost stopped due to zero funds. but as per my understanding, this project should have been prioritized when rationalizing the budget...

There r actually 2 (while 3rd is under construction) routes to punjab frm Quetta...... Frm Quetta-Zhob-DI Khan..into punjab... and frm Quetta-Loralai-DJ Khan.

Also the govt has hired a chinese company which is working on the road frm quetta-Zhob-Tank-DI Khan....... work on Quetta-Zhob is almost compete... its an awesome road...And work on Zhob-Di Khan is also going on and same is with loralai n tank routes.

 

[ajpirzada]

There r actually 2 (while 3rd is under construction) routes to punjab frm Quetta...... Frm Quetta-Zhob-DI Khan..into punjab... and frm Quetta-Loralai-DJ Khan.

Also the govt has hired a chinese company which is working on the road frm quetta-Zhob-Tank-DI Khan....... work on Quetta-Zhob is almost compete... its an awesome road...And work on Zhob-Di Khan is also going on and same is with loralai n tank routes.

do u know anything about gwadar to up-country road projects? wat happened to that gwadar to ratodero road link?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

do u know anything about gwadar to up-country road projects? wat happened to that gwadar to ratodero road link?

Im not very familiar with gwadar area but i think (frm wat ive heard) they r adding 2 more lanes to tht road.......while 50-60 % construction has been completed.

But they need to look after the turbat area.......the roads need repair there after the floods.

 

[Developereo]

Reading all these posts, I feel my fellow Pakistanis have completely missed the point of the original article. Two comments:

Firstly, this excuse about Rome wasn't built in a day is nonsense. We have been at it for nine years now; this is beyond ridiculous. A 'world class port' that has been idle for five months?? Come on, who are we fooling?

Secondly, even if we build the best port in the world, Gwadar is destined to fail because Balochistan is a repeat of 1971 East Pakistan. Blaming India, US, whomever misses the whole point. The question is why are the Baloch rebels cooperating with our enemies in the first place? The answer is the blatant ethnic bigotry so deeply ingrained in the Pakistani psyche that alienated first the Bengalis and now the Baloch. We are still in denial mode. We deny their legitimate complaint about exploitation; we dismiss them as foreign funded terrorists; and our only answer to their concerns is to quash them by force. Witness the comment below.

And for your information there are less than 8 million Baloch in Pakistan (a country of 185 million people) and not all Baloch live in Balochistan province. Pashtuns are becoming the majority in Balochistan province and the Pashtuns of Balochistan dont want to break away from Pakistan.

Bengalis made the largest ethnic group in Pakistan before 1971, our army could not control that large of a population back then.

Musharraf promised them that Gwadar would be the fulfillment of Balochistan's destiny and the Baloch people would see the rewards. Instead, the old story of exploitation and ethnic arrogance is repeated. The locals are sidelined by the unscrupulous sharks from other provinces. Connecting Gwadar to its own capital is an afterthought.

Even if Gwadar is operational eventually, it will be plagued by a legacy of bad blood and ethnic tensions. Unless the government makes amends with the Baloch people and addresses their concerns.

There is, of course, zero chance that they will do so, and every chance that 1971 will repeat again.

 

[Developereo]

First of all, the port is completed but the only problem is that there needs to be ways to transport all the cargo and goods that would be dropped off at Gwadar port by Ships. AFAIK only few roads have been completed and due to the insurgency in Balochistan this has become a slow process. So until the roads and Railroads have been completed and insurgency has been quelled the port will remain partially inactive.

Sorry, that's no excuse, Even a twelve year old child can open an atlas and see that Gwadar is in a remote location. That it will need road and rail links to connect it to the rest of Pakistan's transport network. Why was work not being done in parallel? What kind of idiot leaves this work till after the port is completed? And the city itself is still not complete. Basic sanitary facilities are nonexistent. The video shows the local people don't even have a sewage system. Where will the ordinary workers live? Will they all live in a 5-star hotel?

As for the real problem, the insurgency, I have already stated why the port is doomed unless the Baloch exploitation is redressed. All the road and rail links will be useless if the insurance risk premiums make the route prohibitively expensive. Worst case, we are looking at 1971. And this time it will be the West, not Iran or India, that will do the honors.