GujaratUnivesity goes VastuShastra way to bring good fortunes

[wolfschanzze]

I didn't know gau mata and Vastu were the cause of India's economic growth

Yoo cowboy, go back to the"Rodeo" This ain't your ground. .Move on...

Saudi Arabia maybe birthplace for Islam but it is not the only country where you should look to find Islam. Women not allowed to drive there has more to do with the Bedouin culture of the ruling Al-Saud clan than Islam. Do not bring Islam into each and every post to justify your nonsense.

@WebMaster @Horus @Jango @Emmie @Slav Defence Please take a note of the posts by this Islamophobe. In every other post he drags Islam and tries to take cheap shots. Thanks.

How exactly...?

I didn't know gau mata and Vastu were the cause of India's economic growth

I can understand your BUTTH*RT, BUT WE ARE COMING AND NOBODY COULD STOP US!
TRY TO STOP US IF YOU CAN!

 

[Bornubus]

Saudi Arabia maybe birthplace for Islam but it is not the only country where you should look to find Islam. Women not allowed to drive there has more to do with the Bedouin culture of the ruling Al-Saud clan than Islam. Do not bring Islam into each and every post to justify your nonsense.

@WebMaster @Horus @Jango @Emmie @Slav Defence Please take a note of the posts by this Islamophobe. In every other post he drags Islam and tries to take cheap shots. Thanks.

This was my reply to the post


"my belief system is more modern than yours" so what is the cheap shot in it

 

[syedali73]

This was my reply to the post

"my belief system is more modern than yours" so what is the cheap shot in it

...women in Arabia had much more freedom ....

When? Explain with documentary proof!

...now they can't even drive a car in Saudia...birth place of Islam.

KSA is one of some 51 Islamic countries. If driving cars by women is modernization, why not give example of Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Pakistan, Jordan, Algeria, Egypt, Nigeria, pre-war Iraq, Syria? Why singling out KSA, which is governed by a conservative Bedouin clan? Because you are intellectually dishonest. You don't talk about what is practiced in 95% Islamic countries but what is practiced in KSA for this suits your case.

 

[Bornubus]

When? Explain with documentary proof!

KSA is one of some 51 Islamic countries. If driving cars by women is modernization, why not give example of Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Pakistan, Jordan, Algeria, Egypt, Nigeria, pre-war Iraq, Syria? Why singling out KSA, which is governed by a conservative Bedouin clan? Because you are intellectually dishonest. You don't talk about what is practiced in 95% Islamic countries but what is practiced in KSA for this suits your case.

By same logic...how is my belief system is inferior just bcz you have different ...marriage practice...

 

[jamahir]

By same logic...how is my belief system is inferior just bcz you have different ...marriage practice...

a evolved and just wedding/marriage practice... just one of few other things... i don't know what is your cultural practices, i am just pointing to what islam offered 1000+ years ago... these practices start from a legal wedding registration conducted at the simplest level, without band baaja baarat.

KSA is one of some 51 Islamic countries. If driving cars by women is modernization, why not give example of Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Pakistan, Jordan, Algeria, Egypt, Nigeria, pre-war Iraq, Syria? Why singling out KSA, which is governed by a conservative Bedouin clan? Because you are intellectually dishonest. You don't talk about what is practiced in 95% Islamic countries but what is practiced in KSA for this suits your case.

sincerely, you included indonesia and malaysia ( which are not worth giving ) but you left out libyan jamahiriya ( which i mentioned earlier ).

 

[Bornubus]

a evolved and just wedding/marriage practice... just one of few other things... i don't know what is your cultural practices, i am just pointing to what islam offered 1000+ years ago.

So how wedding practice make that superior ...Christians have similar practice.... and Hinduism don't give a unilateral right to Divorce his wife...

 

[Slav Defence]

By same logic...how is my belief system is inferior just bcz you have different ...marriage practice...

Your religion is ancient,which is good.Nobody called it inferior-I do not understand that how you interpreted that.
Let me recall posters that discussing religion is not allowed unless you intend to record protest against any abuse.I didn't knew that new vice chancellor of Gujrat University believed that life and luck have directions!
Tell him that these two things are not given to those who follow such directions, but to those who work with planning and dedication.Since I am unaware of reputation of Gujarat University, therefore I cannot comment. However, I can only say that they must fund more researches and appoint reputed lecturers to improve syllabus.They need to introduce seminars and conferences regarding with business management, research and philosophy. I hope that they are working on it.
Hence,wishing them best of luck with their future.
@syedali73 what do you suggest?
Regards

 

[jamahir]

...Christians have similar practice....

the practice of christianity in early times sadly did not offer the facility of divorce, especially to the wife... indeed, divorce was/is technically considered sin in catholicism.

and Hinduism don't give a unilateral right to Divorce his wife...

there is no formal facility of divorce in hinduism ( the culture )... a wife can simply be abandoned ( hint, hint )... and remarriage of widows or divorcee females is considered sin.

So how wedding practice make that superior

1. freedom delivered to the ladies to choose their husband, without consent of parents or the neighborhood vegetable seller.
2. wedding need not have any parents or relatives present at all... just two witnesses, the bride and groom, the qazi ( local judge )... so five people in total.
3. wedding is a legal registration procedure, technically to be conducted at the simplest level, without band baaja baarat.
4. reasonable economic welfare of wife in case of divorce, fixed during the time of wedding with the consent of the bride.
5. no dowry carried by the bride.
6. yes, divorce is allowed, and can be initiated by the wife.
7. remarriage as a right, even and especially for the lady, with no technical limits on number of marriages.
8. family life can consist of children from spouses' previous marriage.
9. property inheritance ensures just welfare of the females involved.

isn't it easy, practical and just??

edit : in practice however, especially in south asia, so-called muslims adopted pre-islami local practices and claimed as islamic things like forced wedding, "honor killing", even dowry.

will you add anything, @LoveIcon @syedali73 @haviZsultan @The_Showstopper

@Slav Defence ^^^

They need to introduce seminars and conferences regarding with business management, research and philosophy.

didn't know you were a capitalist oppressor.

 

[syedali73]

Your religion is ancient,which is good.Nobody called it inferior-I do not understand that how you interpreted that.
Let me recall posters that discussing religion is not allowed unless you intend to record protest against any abuse.I didn't knew that new vice chancellor of Gujrat University believed that life and luck have directions!
Tell him that these two things are not given to those who follow such directions, but to those who work with planning and dedication.Since I am unaware of reputation of Gujarat University, therefore I cannot comment. However, I can only say that they must fund more researches and appoint reputed lecturers to improve syllabus.They need to introduce seminars and conferences regarding with business management, research and philosophy. I hope that they are working on it.
Hence,wishing them best of luck with their future.
@syedali73 what do you suggest?
Regards

Someone came to Ali (RA) and asked him about Qaza and Qadar (Destiny and luck). Ali (RA) asked him to lift his left foot; he complied. Than Ali (RA) asked him to lift the other foot. He said "Ya Ameer ul Mo'mineen, if I lift both of my legs, I'll fall down. Ali (RA) told him, "so you understand, this is Qaza and Qadar. Part of it is destiny that only Allah knows, and the rest is all your effort.

It is like I study biology but hope that by luck or by asking God, I'll become a Professor of Physics. No, no matter how much I wish and pray, and seek for good fortune, I'll not achieve that.

So I concur with you. The VC of the University should pay more attention to improve the curriculum, and induct high quality teaching and research staff instead of taking measures based on superstitiousness. If these voodoo things held any water, the Harvard, MIT, Oxford or Cambridge would be the first in line to benefit from those.

edit : in practice however, especially in south asia, so-called muslims adopted pre-islami local practices and claimed as islamic things like forced wedding, "honor killing", even dowry.

will you add anything, @LoveIcon @syedali73 @haviZsultan @The_Showstopper

@Slav Defence ^^^



didn't know you were a capitalist oppressor.

Not really adopted per se; those practices were the part of the culture and the converts did not let some of them go for one reason or another. Even in the time of Mohammed (PBUH), the Arabs continued to eat lizards, and even though Mohammed (PBUH) did not eat, he never stopped them from eating too.

 

[jamahir]

Someone came to Ali (RA) and asked him about Qaza and Qadar (Destiny and luck). Ali (RA) asked him to lift his left foot; he complied. Than Ali (RA) asked him to lift the other foot. He said "Ya Ameer ul Mo'mineen, if I lift both of my legs, I'll fall down. Ali (RA) told him, "so you understand, this is Qaza and Qadar. Part of it is destiny that only Allah knows, and the rest is all your effort.

It is like I study biology but hope that by luck or by asking God, I'll become a Professor of Physics. No, no matter how much I wish and pray, and seek for good fortune, I'll not achieve that.

good narration.

So I concur with you. The VC of the University should pay more attention to improve the curriculum, and induct high quality teaching and research staff instead of taking measures based on superstitiousness. If these voodoo things held any water, the Harvard, MIT, Oxford or Cambridge would be the first in line to benefit from those.

there would have been a thread about something related from mid-2013... the assassination of a indian anti-superstitions activist by yet-untraced right-wing fools connected to the present government.

that activist was narendra dabholkar, who for years preached against superstitions that abound indian society ( and south asia largely )... these activists in india call themselves "rationalists" and this particular gentleman worked particularly in his state, maharashtra, for decades... the national establishment didn't really support him much during his life but after his assassination awarded him the "padma shri", a high national award.

from ( source - Murder? Search My Soul | Ashish Khetan ), look at his mockery by establishment right after his death...

And since their investigation was not yielding anything, the then Pune police commissioner Gulabrao Pol took the help of self-proclaimed spiritualists to communicate with Dabholkar’s spirit and ask it for leads! These are acts that could well qualify as an offence as per the anti-superstition ordinance promulgated by the state government within just a week of Dabholkar’s death and which became the Maharashtra Prevention and Eradication of Human Sacrifice and other Inhuman, Evil and Aghori Practices and Black Magic Act after it was passed by both houses of the state legislature in December 2013.

and connecting to this thread, from ( Narendra Dabholkar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )...

He didn't believe in Vastu Shastra and built his house without any regards to the principles of Vastu Shastra. He also criticised extravagant marriage ceremonies and arranged for his own children to be married in simple ceremonies. The almanac was not consulted to select an auspicious time as it is traditionally done.[8] Dabholkar was also an atheist.[9]

i wonder what the sanghis on this thread will say...

Not really adopted per se; those practices were the part of the culture and the converts did not let some of them go for one reason or another. Even in the time of Mohammed (PBUH), the Arabs continued to eat lizards, and even though Mohammed (PBUH) did not eat, he never stopped them from eating too.

like in south asia, the muslim converts retained many pre-islam practices, some of which actually went against the core tenets of their new faith... least example, dowry.

i believe one mistake the early arab muslims did was to suppress the use of greek language which i believe was in wide use in the arab lands... retaining greek would have introduced early cosmopolitanism among muslims, which any came regularly like in al-andalus... but this would have i think not given rise to cults like the hashisheen.

i don't want to tag al-hasani for clarification of the above because he will start "arab world this, arab world that".

 

[wolfschanzze]

And how much did those shastras save the temples from getting knockdown, people getting killed and converted, and India getting conquered. If I was you i would ask the Pandit for a return, wishes aren't working.

The reason India is still a Hindu nation because of those shastras,Other civilizations and nations perished or were converted to Abrahamic religions, we are still the same Hindu nation.

I didn't know gau mata and Vastu were the cause of India's economic growth

Well religion is a factor in our nation, and yes we like to make rules as it suits us.
Why are you worried?

 

[Darmashkian]

@wolfschanzze Anna, Please be careful with what you post. I & many others would be saddened if you are banned from this forum.(permanently or temporary)

I usually disagree with @jamahir on god knows how many issues & some of his posts here. But I agree with this below passage.

good narration.
i believe one mistake the early arab muslims did was to suppress the use of greek language which i believe was in wide use in the arab lands... retaining greek would have introduced early cosmopolitanism among muslims, which any came regularly like in al-andalus... but this would have i think not given rise to cults like the hashisheen.

i don't want to tag al-hasani for clarification of the above because he will start "arab world this, arab world that".

 

[Viny]

When? Explain with documentary proof!

KSA is one of some 51 Islamic countries. If driving cars by women is modernization, why not give example of Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Pakistan, Jordan, Algeria, Egypt, Nigeria, pre-war Iraq, Syria? Why singling out KSA, which is governed by a conservative Bedouin clan? Because you are intellectually dishonest. You don't talk about what is practiced in 95% Islamic countries but what is practiced in KSA for this suits your case.

Isnt this how you paint entire India becoming a right winged hardliners and converting India into Hindu State ???

It is like I study biology but hope that by luck or by asking God, I'll become a Professor of Physics. No, no matter how much I wish and pray, and seek for good fortune, I'll not achieve that.

So I concur with you. The VC of the University should pay more attention to improve the curriculum, and induct high quality teaching and research staff instead of taking measures based on superstitiousness. If these voodoo things held any water, the Harvard, MIT, Oxford or Cambridge would be the first in line to benefit from those.

Vastu Shastra is Science, its has set of principles which are based on scientific values which holds it truth in current world also. Though a better part of Vastu Shastra science is lost, but what ever is available, people are trying to use it with a hope that it will bring betterment in there life. It deals around how the nature affects the human being. In india the modern generation of Architects realized that vastu shastra basically guides them how to build inline with nature to benefit dwellers and thats why we see now most of the properties coming up comply with Vastu.