Kazhugu
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et tu ?
hw bout i say all the terrorist attacks in pak are faked by the govt/army to get international sympathy and weapons for fighting the imaginary terrorists ?
Gujarat LeT encounter was faked, court told.
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et tu ?
hw bout i say all the terrorist attacks in pak are faked by the govt/army to get international sympathy and weapons for fighting the imaginary terrorists ?
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online pwnage....
people should know that terrorism does not pay...the only thing they earn is two bullets in the head....
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this is not just with terrorists but insurgents all over the country historically in Punjab many innocent farmers who were just caring to there land were shot and gunned down by police and security forces and they placed rifles or some other kind of weapons to say how it was a encounter hence the infamous term "fake encounter"
imo the fake encounter technique should be employed against groups like VHS,RSS,Shiv Sena, Bajrang Dal, Ranvir Sena etc and SIMI,LeT,JeM,HuJI, KLA,KCF etc every far left or far right group that resorts to militancy really and of course there is no shortage of them in India.
imo the fake encounter technique should be employed against groups like VHS,RSS,Shiv Sena, Bajrang Dal, Ranvir Sena etc and SIMI,LeT,JeM,HuJI, KLA,KCF etc every far left or far right group that resorts to militancy really and of course there is no shortage of them in India.
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except the only problem being vhp,bd are low-level hooligans,rowdies at best...but not terrorists.....
rss is a socio-cultural org.
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The missing link is psyche....while a fire fight is still in progress in the Taj, a group of school kids are doing rounds on Mumbai streets shouting anti-Pakistan slogans....kind of like washing the soap before hands, more over one only needs to look at the duration of both attacks to conclude who was buying time to get all the attention. !!!
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alll attacks in pakistan are faked by the establishment to get international sympathy and get money for fighting an imaginary enemy....tht makes more sense than saying 26/11 was a false flag....
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Albeit 26/11 wasn't the sole subject of my post but then again out of a dozen or so attackers, the culprit who prominently appears in every video grab or CCTV image also happens to be the sole survivor......what an odd coincidence.
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Albeit 26/11 wasn't the sole subject of my post but then again out of a dozen or so attackers, the culprit who prominently appears in every video grab or CCTV image also happens to be the sole survivor......what an odd coincidence.
ummm.... are you implying false flag for 26/11, or i didn't get the joke?
no he is dead serious in stating that we killed 166 innocents just to put some pressure on pakistan and in doing so we did not pay any attention to the fact that the attack did a terrible damage to our image...also all anti terrorism measures taken by us after the attack were an eyewash to show the world community that we were indeed the victims....but his government is right, and we should believe to everything he says because everytime such an attack happens, the only video footage he gets to see is coincidently of the sole survivor, thereby proving beyond doubt that the attacks were staged by india..........
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If Ishrat wasn't someone with terror links , what is the purpose of killing her in a fake encounter? she wasn't a political opponent or any kind of whistle blower or a witness to say ,any incident Modi was invloved.
Better wait for an official body to confirm Ishrat had links to terror groups.
Better wait for an official body to confirm Ishrat had links to terror groups.
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Albeit 26/11 wasn't the sole subject of my post but then again out of a dozen or so attackers, the culprit who prominently appears in every video grab or CCTV image also happens to be the sole survivor......what an odd coincidence.
stop trolling and just google. you will get other pics too.
The truth is that there is my overwhelming evidence against modi but coz he is in power it will probably never comeout. Just like antisikh riots in 1984.Even though i do not like Rahul gandhi that much i would choose him to be pm any day over a mass murderer.
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Fake Indian Army J&K encounter exposed!
August 10, 2011
Indian army is known for creating fake encounter stories for extra judicial murder of the Kashmiri separatists in order to get good name in media and promotions by the government. Of late, knowing the true face of Indian army in this type of news has not any more remained interesting story for the Indian public. However, a latest incident has come to the fore which has once again clearly exposed the double Indian face not only at the personal but at the institutional level as well.
The incident happened in Poonch in which two security officials picked up an innocent man from Rajouri and later shot him dead in a forest faking as a 12-hour encounter. They claimed that the man they have killed was top Kashmiri LeT commander Abu Usmaan alias Abu Adnan alias Doctor. Army was quick to believe in the version of story given by their officers and started releasing a great story of success. The drama, however, did not last very long. Very soon it became clear that man was in fact an innocent local citizen and not the separatist leader as they were claiming. It was also learnt that two officers killed the man for their personal gains.
No doubt it was the personal mistake of only two of its security officers for which no one should blame the institution as a whole. However, how Indian army high ranking officers immediately became the owner of the success and concocted a totally fake story of how the hundreds of troops were mobilized on receiving the information about the leader and that the LeT commander was killed in the 12-hour long military operation tells a different story altogether.
Armys serious belief about the identity of the killed man fully exposes their desperation for success, money and promotion at any cost. Values and morale are simply non existent.
Highly embarrassed GOC of the counter-insurgency Romeo Force, Major General J S Shergill later on admitted that it was all drama based on greed. He also confirmed that the person killed was not an LeT leader but an ordinary mentally challenged local resident. Will the GOC and the other higher officials responsible for maligning the name of the already ill reputed Indian Army be ever brought to justice is yet to be seen.
Fake Indian Army J&K encounter exposed! | News of the World
August 10, 2011
Indian army is known for creating fake encounter stories for extra judicial murder of the Kashmiri separatists in order to get good name in media and promotions by the government. Of late, knowing the true face of Indian army in this type of news has not any more remained interesting story for the Indian public. However, a latest incident has come to the fore which has once again clearly exposed the double Indian face not only at the personal but at the institutional level as well.
The incident happened in Poonch in which two security officials picked up an innocent man from Rajouri and later shot him dead in a forest faking as a 12-hour encounter. They claimed that the man they have killed was top Kashmiri LeT commander Abu Usmaan alias Abu Adnan alias Doctor. Army was quick to believe in the version of story given by their officers and started releasing a great story of success. The drama, however, did not last very long. Very soon it became clear that man was in fact an innocent local citizen and not the separatist leader as they were claiming. It was also learnt that two officers killed the man for their personal gains.
No doubt it was the personal mistake of only two of its security officers for which no one should blame the institution as a whole. However, how Indian army high ranking officers immediately became the owner of the success and concocted a totally fake story of how the hundreds of troops were mobilized on receiving the information about the leader and that the LeT commander was killed in the 12-hour long military operation tells a different story altogether.
Armys serious belief about the identity of the killed man fully exposes their desperation for success, money and promotion at any cost. Values and morale are simply non existent.
Highly embarrassed GOC of the counter-insurgency Romeo Force, Major General J S Shergill later on admitted that it was all drama based on greed. He also confirmed that the person killed was not an LeT leader but an ordinary mentally challenged local resident. Will the GOC and the other higher officials responsible for maligning the name of the already ill reputed Indian Army be ever brought to justice is yet to be seen.
Fake Indian Army J&K encounter exposed! | News of the World
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is the people killed in pakistan on anti-trrrorist operations conducted by nato or by pakistan army are all terrorists..
why then you don't have a sticky threads on every such incident...
what's the special logic to have a sticky thread on a encounter held in india ?
why then you don't have a sticky threads on every such incident...
what's the special logic to have a sticky thread on a encounter held in india ?
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Indian Army Admits Faking Encounters In Siachen Glacier
New Delhi, May 8 (NNN): The Union Defence Ministry was shaken on Friday over revelations by a newspaper that its officers on duty in the Siachen Glacier had routinely stage- managed encounters with imaginary Pakistani troops.
The purpose behind all this was to paint the Army officers with false glory that would fetch them coveted gallantry awards. The army promptly admitted to faking encounters with "enemy personnel" in Siachen last year and said administrative action has been ordered against a colonel and a major and disciplinary action taken against another major.
Reacting to the report, an army spokesman told reporters in New Delhi that a Court of Inquiry (COI) has named Major Surinder Singh for faking the killings and disciplinary action has been ordered against him.
Administrative action has been ordered against Colonel K. D. Singh and Major Rohit Lama for what the army described as "administrative lapses".
However, the spokesman denied that Indian Army was claiming awards for "imagined gallantry" as reported in The Hindustan Times on Friday.
According to analysts the revelations had come at a crucial time of elections and could harm Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee's bid for another term. The last leg of the four-phase polls is due on Monday.
Vajpayee's right-wing nationalist supporters are known to be partial to the army and object to public discussion of recent revelations of scandal-ridden financial deals involving the defence establishment.
Earlier, the Defence Ministry admitted in a press release on Friday that Major Singh had been blamed by the court for "having faked the killings of enemy personnel", but this version was changed later with an army spokesman confining himself to stating that this officer had been "found culpable of having exaggerated and faking some events on the Glacier".
The spokesman said the Commanding Officer and Major Lama were held "guilty of committing acts of omission and commission of administrative nature and not operationally-related nor to Major Singh's events."
Replying to questions whether the expose had sullied the image of the army, the spokesman sought to downplay the report. He said these the incidents were "individual events" and that stringent action would be taken against the guilty.
As per the Hindustan Times report during hearings at the court of inquiry (COI), at which Major Singh also gave details about fake kills by units other than his own, the so-called "enemy hits" in Siachen came under severe scrutiny.
One issue was the distance from which the video recordings of the "kills" were made. It was pointed out that the videos had been tampered with, and that the "enemy troops" seen on tape had not been, contrary to standard practice, "roped in".
Questions were also raised on the effective ranges of precision weapons - some of the "enemy kills" appeared to have been made at 1,500 metres, by jawans not trained to use sniper rifles.
"Facing the COI, Major Singh's commanding officer (CO) Col K. D. Singh vehemently denied all the charges of fake killings except those pertaining directly to Maj Singh," The Hindustan Times said.
Col Singh claimed that the only fake "kills" were those made by the Major himself on two occasions, and that the officer had been warned about them. He described Major Singh as having a diabolical frame of mind. He said that he (Col Singh) had instructed officers to give "correct, timely and unexaggerated reports". The veracity of videos of the "kills" was proved by the "excitement and zeal" in the background voices, he argued.
"It is amazing how the army failed to smell a rat about the abnormally high numbers of enemy 'kills' in Siachen," the paper said, quoting sources. Nobody seems to have found it strange that except on a handful of occasions, there was no retaliatory fire from the "enemy" when the "kill" was made.
Said an Intelligence officer in Leh: "In the last week of August when there was a genuine enemy kill, Pakistan kept firing at and shelling us for nearly 24 hours." 5/5 Gorkha Rifles has since moved on to elsewhere in Jammu and Kashmir. It has been replaced by a battalion of Jammu and Kashmir Rifles in the routine six-monthly turn-over of units on the Siachen Glacier.
It is worth mentioning here that Indian and Pakistani troops have been deployed since 1984 on the snowy wastes of the Siachen Glacier, north of the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir. It is one of the world's most inhospitable places, where more soldiers die of cold and altitude sickness than through enemy action.
"Based on certain complaints that enemy killings have been fabricated by one unit in central glacier, a court of inquiry was ordered," the Defence Ministry said in a statement.
It said a major had been found guilty of "having faked killings of some enemy personnel and destruction of enemy bunkers." The officer faces disciplinary action.
In its report, The Hindustan Times said that a third of the 50 killings of Pakistan soldiers attributed to Indian troops on the Siachen Glacier last year may turn out to be false. To make their claim realistic, Indian troops built an air defence bunker on their side of the glacier and destroyed it with rockets and mortars, claiming it was a Pakistani bunker, the paper said.
INDOlink - India General News: Indian Army Admits Faking Encounters In Siachen Glacier
New Delhi, May 8 (NNN): The Union Defence Ministry was shaken on Friday over revelations by a newspaper that its officers on duty in the Siachen Glacier had routinely stage- managed encounters with imaginary Pakistani troops.
The purpose behind all this was to paint the Army officers with false glory that would fetch them coveted gallantry awards. The army promptly admitted to faking encounters with "enemy personnel" in Siachen last year and said administrative action has been ordered against a colonel and a major and disciplinary action taken against another major.
Reacting to the report, an army spokesman told reporters in New Delhi that a Court of Inquiry (COI) has named Major Surinder Singh for faking the killings and disciplinary action has been ordered against him.
Administrative action has been ordered against Colonel K. D. Singh and Major Rohit Lama for what the army described as "administrative lapses".
However, the spokesman denied that Indian Army was claiming awards for "imagined gallantry" as reported in The Hindustan Times on Friday.
According to analysts the revelations had come at a crucial time of elections and could harm Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee's bid for another term. The last leg of the four-phase polls is due on Monday.
Vajpayee's right-wing nationalist supporters are known to be partial to the army and object to public discussion of recent revelations of scandal-ridden financial deals involving the defence establishment.
Earlier, the Defence Ministry admitted in a press release on Friday that Major Singh had been blamed by the court for "having faked the killings of enemy personnel", but this version was changed later with an army spokesman confining himself to stating that this officer had been "found culpable of having exaggerated and faking some events on the Glacier".
The spokesman said the Commanding Officer and Major Lama were held "guilty of committing acts of omission and commission of administrative nature and not operationally-related nor to Major Singh's events."
Replying to questions whether the expose had sullied the image of the army, the spokesman sought to downplay the report. He said these the incidents were "individual events" and that stringent action would be taken against the guilty.
As per the Hindustan Times report during hearings at the court of inquiry (COI), at which Major Singh also gave details about fake kills by units other than his own, the so-called "enemy hits" in Siachen came under severe scrutiny.
One issue was the distance from which the video recordings of the "kills" were made. It was pointed out that the videos had been tampered with, and that the "enemy troops" seen on tape had not been, contrary to standard practice, "roped in".
Questions were also raised on the effective ranges of precision weapons - some of the "enemy kills" appeared to have been made at 1,500 metres, by jawans not trained to use sniper rifles.
"Facing the COI, Major Singh's commanding officer (CO) Col K. D. Singh vehemently denied all the charges of fake killings except those pertaining directly to Maj Singh," The Hindustan Times said.
Col Singh claimed that the only fake "kills" were those made by the Major himself on two occasions, and that the officer had been warned about them. He described Major Singh as having a diabolical frame of mind. He said that he (Col Singh) had instructed officers to give "correct, timely and unexaggerated reports". The veracity of videos of the "kills" was proved by the "excitement and zeal" in the background voices, he argued.
"It is amazing how the army failed to smell a rat about the abnormally high numbers of enemy 'kills' in Siachen," the paper said, quoting sources. Nobody seems to have found it strange that except on a handful of occasions, there was no retaliatory fire from the "enemy" when the "kill" was made.
Said an Intelligence officer in Leh: "In the last week of August when there was a genuine enemy kill, Pakistan kept firing at and shelling us for nearly 24 hours." 5/5 Gorkha Rifles has since moved on to elsewhere in Jammu and Kashmir. It has been replaced by a battalion of Jammu and Kashmir Rifles in the routine six-monthly turn-over of units on the Siachen Glacier.
It is worth mentioning here that Indian and Pakistani troops have been deployed since 1984 on the snowy wastes of the Siachen Glacier, north of the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir. It is one of the world's most inhospitable places, where more soldiers die of cold and altitude sickness than through enemy action.
"Based on certain complaints that enemy killings have been fabricated by one unit in central glacier, a court of inquiry was ordered," the Defence Ministry said in a statement.
It said a major had been found guilty of "having faked killings of some enemy personnel and destruction of enemy bunkers." The officer faces disciplinary action.
In its report, The Hindustan Times said that a third of the 50 killings of Pakistan soldiers attributed to Indian troops on the Siachen Glacier last year may turn out to be false. To make their claim realistic, Indian troops built an air defence bunker on their side of the glacier and destroyed it with rockets and mortars, claiming it was a Pakistani bunker, the paper said.
INDOlink - India General News: Indian Army Admits Faking Encounters In Siachen Glacier
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