Group Captain Abhinandan V to get Vir Chakra from President for the false claim of shooting down F-16 on 27 Feb

[SuvarnaTeja]

The reason for giving the "kill" to abhinandan is mentioned by the then IAF chief. I wrote that here too, but it is lost and no pakistani want to listen to it.

However - I don't think Indian govt is giving away this award without confirmation.

The only confirmation we have is that Abhinandan demonstrated great bravery and fired the missiles at Pak Fighters. The award should be limited to his bravery of fighting with an antiquated fighter called MIG-21 and not shooting down the Pak fighter.

 

[Areesh]

The only confirmation we have is that Abhinandan demonstrated great bravery and fired the missiles at Pak Fighters. The award should be limited to his bravery of fighting with an antiquated fighter called MIG-21 and not shooting down the Pak fighter.

No he didn't shoot any missile. Pakistan has all 4 missiles recovered from the wreckage of the aircraft

 

[Beidou2020]

what can you expect from a country denying their prisoner of war playing Simon says with photo evidence. If they can deny with such evidence, they can deny anything and everything. They are just not honest people in general. Anyone with integrity have left already.

It’s mind boggling to the rest of us that not only is a blatant lie spread but to actually give him an award based on such a lie is lunatic behaviour. These people are not right in the head. Other militaries will be looking at this clown show and laughing at the Indian military.

 

[Areesh]

I wasn't aware. Please share the link.

Here you go. Original source is Foreign Policy magazine

U.S. count shows no Pakistan F-16s shot down in Indian battle: report

Pakistan's F-16 combat jets have all been accounted for, U.S.-based Foreign Policy magazine said, citing U.S. officials, contradicting an Indian air force assessment that it had shot down one of the jets in February.

www.reuters.com

India's lie about F16 was pretty much exposed two years ago in 2019

It is a shame that we are discussing it again in 2021 just because bunch of shameless characterless clowns are ruling India

 

[mig25]

Here you go. Original source is Foreign Policy magazine

U.S. count shows no Pakistan F-16s shot down in Indian battle: report

Pakistan's F-16 combat jets have all been accounted for, U.S.-based Foreign Policy magazine said, citing U.S. officials, contradicting an Indian air force assessment that it had shot down one of the jets in February.

www.reuters.com

India's lie about F16 was pretty much exposed two years ago in 2019

This is not by any length an official report. A reporter named Lara Seligman apparently spoke to 2 who had knowledge that a count took place. No official word fro the US so no..this cannot be deemed official at all!
Having said that, I am in the camp that believes enough proof needs to be shared for conclusively saying the F-16 was shot down. I am not a believer until I see it but I just wondered why PAF cannot parade the dual seaters and seal this once and for all.

 

[Areesh]

This is not by any length an official report. A reporter named Lara Seligman apparently spoke to 2 who had knowledge that a count took place. No official word fro the US so no..this cannot be deemed official at all!
Having said that, I am in the camp that believes enough proof needs to be shared for conclusively saying the F-16 was shot down. I am not a believer until I see it but I just wondered why PAF cannot parade the dual seaters and seal this once and for all.

It is a neutral source. Unlike India that has no proof whatsoever for its frivolous claims

PAF has already done the count with USA and a neutral source confirms it. There is no burden on PAF after this for any count

 

[Tornado23]

This is not by any length an official report. A reporter named Lara Seligman apparently spoke to 2 who had knowledge that a count took place. No official word fro the US so no..this cannot be deemed official at all!
Having said that, I am in the camp that believes enough proof needs to be shared for conclusively saying the F-16 was shot down. I am not a believer until I see it but I just wondered why PAF cannot parade the dual seaters and seal this once and for all.

It is a neutral source. Unlike India that has no proof whatsoever for its frivolous claims

PAF has already done the count with USA and a neutral source confirms it. There is no burden on PAF after this for any count

Dude....lara seligmen is a pentagon correspondent.

The lie of 'the pentagon not being aware of any count' was first propagated by the Hindustan times, then later promoted by other indian media. Only indian media was reporting and peddling the lie.

Heck even the washington post made an article saying the Hindustan times post was false.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/17/did-india-shoot-down-pakistani-f-back-february-this-just-became-big-deal/

"The Pentagon, like the State Department, has yet to issue a public statement on the F-16 count, but there have been no counter-leaks contradicting the Foreign Policy report."

 

[mudas777]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1462648426705801216

Big day.
#FalconSlayer

Braveheart of the India deserves better, that's the best India can do for the brave man whose plane got shot with all 4 missiles intact. Start a twitter trend so he can get promoted to the Air Vice Marshall at least. What's he been through and what he has done for the supa power India without the help of Rafale's, unhelpful clouds and be part of the fascist Modi winning the election.

 

[faithfulguy]

The only confirmation we have is that Abhinandan demonstrated great bravery and fired the missiles at Pak Fighters. The award should be limited to his bravery of fighting with an antiquated fighter called MIG-21 and not shooting down the Pak fighter.

Indian pilot definitely show bravery for flying on a MiG-21. These are good pilots. But he is now being used As a facade to cover Indian failures. India is now resort to lying just for the purpose of bragging. Next, there would be a movie, a book, etc, just to cover up the failure of the Indian government.

 

[Pak_Sher]

Why did mods change the title?

Anyways here is ceremony video

https://twitter.com/x/status/1462666797727944714

@Tejas Spokesman , ISRO is an advanced space organization, do they have any footage of the shot down F-16?

US already conducted the inventory inspection of the PAF F-16s & we are good on that front.

the company that makes ejection seats for the F-16s has global satellite tracking anywhere on the globe whenever there is an ejection of their seats.

These are just the facts. Your government just faked it. You will not believe the US Companies or PAF, but just wanted to layout the facts. Have ISRO prove us wrong.

 

[SQ8]

The only confirmation we have is that Abhinandan demonstrated great bravery and fired the missiles at Pak Fighters. The award should be limited to his bravery of fighting with an antiquated fighter called MIG-21 and not shooting down the Pak fighter.

Yes - imaginary missiles for Bhaktora nation.
Such advanced missiles that after missing go back onto the railing.

 

[jk007]

I did not read your justification for the President to give an award to a failed and captured warrior. We can defend his eagerness and his ferocity, however, he did lose and was captured which does not merit a medal of the highest order. Anyway.

Coming to your second point, it makes absolutely no sense for IAF and India to back down and NOT respond to Pakistani aggression through PAF the very next day. Had IAF indeed shot down any F-16, let alone any neutral count or confirmation, the IAF and India would have gone on the offensive and would have escalated the Air Battles to try and take out even more PAF Jets.

The only logical conclusion, the only reason IAF backed down and did not even dare respond to PAF's attacks on Indian Occupied Land was the fact that PAF had not only come out on top through better communications and electronic warfare systems but had also made the top of line IAF jets, the SU-30MKI, virtually useless and at the mercy of PAF BVRs which not only outranged the IAF but also shot down the pride of IAF, an SU-30MKI.

This is further confirmed by the speech of your PM in which he rues and regrets the non-availability of Rafale, and how the result could have been different

The only confirmation we have is that Abhinandan demonstrated great bravery and fired the missiles at Pak Fighters. The award should be limited to his bravery of fighting with an antiquated fighter called MIG-21 and not shooting down the Pak fighter.

Per the then IAF chief, IAF has a confirmation of a fallen f-16. However, they are not sure if it is due to abhinandan or a SAM. Since, abhinandan is in that area, he is given the credit. You can search YouTube for that interview. Note that even abhinandan did not claim the kill himself.

I assume you live (lived) in India. So, you know India better. You can trust your own judgment on whom you want to believe (i.e. Indian version or pak version).

Pakistanis - we have debated this point endlessly. I am aware of all your points. So, let us agree to disagree. Please don't respond to this.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Per the then IAF chief, IAF has a confirmation of a fallen f-16. However, they are not sure if it is due to abhinandan or a SAM. Since, abhinandan is in that area, he is given the credit. You can search YouTube for that interview. Note that even abhinandan did not claim the kill himself.

Pakistanis - we have debated this point endlessly. So, let us agree to disagree. Please don't respond to this.

What we have is a guess but US/LM had later confirmed that all PAF F-16s have been accounted for. So if a PAF fighter was lost then it is surely not an F-16.

 

[jk007]

Indian pilot definitely show bravery for flying on a MiG-21. These are good pilots. But he is now being used As a facade to cover Indian failures. India is now resort to lying just for the purpose of bragging. Next, there would be a movie, a book, etc, just to cover up the failure of the Indian government.

Not to troll you. I am an Indian. I understand India much much better, and hence I believe Indian version.

However, I do believe PAF came out very well on that morning. I.e. PAF was better than IAF on that morning.

PS: IAF did not have to use an imaginary kill to "brag". We know that PAF was better on that morning.

What we have is a guess but US/LM had later confirmed that all PAF F-16s have been accounted for. So if a PAF fighter was lost then it is surely not an F-16.

It is not a guess, per the then IAF chief. That interview is widely available in youtube. Please watch it.

Also, immediately after that day, there were beautiful and knowledgeable post by a very knowledgeable Indian. He since vanished, and I can't recall his name. Most old timers here must have read those posts (and conveniently ignored them) where he informed about possible SAM kill of f-16, lot before paf came up with pics of those A2A missiles almost intact to mig-21.

Also, please do your own research. There is no confirmation from US officials.

Pakistanis - not trolling you. Please ignore this post, as we debated all these endlessly.

 

[jk007]

It's a multi ID of @HalfMoon

I am wasting my time at pdf for about 12 years now, much before @HalfMoon. Also, I don't have multiple IDs.