Greece vs Turkey

[HannibalBarca]

Yes it is a MYTH.
Russian tactics, Russian light cavalry and Russian winter was key factors, but Russian winter alone - NOT EVEN CLOSE.

My fiance earned her PhD in that field.

If you want to learn something about that, read this.

Alan Palmer "Napoleon in Russia"
Russia against Napoleon by Dominic Livien
Napoleon's invasion of Russia by George Nafziger.

Ofc RU winter alone wasn't enough... RU tactics was mostly something called " La terre brulée" meaning that every crops were burned down with the avancement of the Napoleonian army into RU territories. Almost a quarter to a third of Napoleon soldiers died of hunger + hard winter. One of the first "seen" canibalism happened during that operation...
As for the Light cavalery... it's mostly been used to harass the soldiers during the night..;therefore fear and moral was the main target...

BUT the RUssians couldn't "Control" the winter... therefore their tactics were "la terre brulée" + "harrassment+ stick and run"... So IF Napoleon had WAITED after the WINTER... those RU tactics couldn't stop that Army..; and that's a fact...

NApoleon was a little too "arrogant" for that op..; thinking that his soldiers COULD surpass that winter... without thinking that when he was in warm clothes + good food... his soldier weren't... And that he could close that op in a blinkof an eye..; like 14-18 WW1..; they thought it will last 2 weeks...

 

[flamer84]

Then re-read it... and you will be happy... or not.


A full war will not break btw Turkey and GReece... if any "limit" conflict happen... it will mostly be one othem taking more island and vice versa.. putting both countries in another "Simili- cold war"...

No....you read it and spare us the islamist propaganda

 

[HannibalBarca]

No....you read it and spared the islamist propaganda

You are quite a c*ncer around... Why bringing Islamist propaganda in an history argument?? are you that low when you're short of arguments?? Education/Civilisation do youknow smthing about it? or your parents weren't around enough???

I rly pity you... I do.

 

[DejanSRB]

So IF Napoleon had WAITED after the WINTER... those RU tactics couldn't stop that Army..; and that's a fact...

If you have enough time, read all three book I recommended, and you will see that is not a FACT. Not even close.
Cheers.

 

[HannibalBarca]

If you have enough time, read all three book I recommended, and you will see that is not a FACT. Not even close.
Cheers.

I will

 

[Avicenna]

We could see turkey military capabilities in Syria when their soldiers did run away and let their tanks back.

The current status of turkish military is desolate. Most of its most experienced staff are not in office anymore.

And no...you have no famous philosophers or scientists. Your culture doesnt allows individualism and free thinking.

Two words...Catholic Church. Read up on your own history and then tell us of free thinking and individualism.

 

[flamer84]

You are quite a c*ncer around... Why bringing Islamist propaganda in an history argument?? are you that low when you're short of arguments?? Education/Civilisation do youknow smthing about it? or your parents weren't around enough???

I rly pity you... I do.

Just read history and spare me the Islamic stronk tirades will you? The Greeks had the turks on the run! The turks called the Egyptians for help and than Europeans came in.In a nusthell for historical illiterates

 

[HannibalBarca]

Just read history and spare me the Islamic stronk tirades will you? The Greeks had the turks on the run! The turks called the Egyptians for help and than Europeans came in.In a nusthell for historical illiterates

"spare me the Islamic stronk tirades will you?" - Who's bringing it first??? or should I remind you that too?

And where did I say otherwise about that pcs of History? I was speaking about the Peaseant vs Empire nonsense of yours...

Anyway... it's not the first time neither the last that you behave like a c*ancerous poster... ( rating speaking for you) by bringing yours ignorance and pushing it till you believe in your own lies... Try to behave like a civilized member of our society... ALways running from the arguments with low tactics...

Have Fun, alone...

 

[flamer84]

"spare me the Islamic stronk tirades will you?" - Who's bringing it first??? or should I remind you that too?

And where did I say otherwise about that pcs of History? I was speaking about the Peaseant vs Empire nonsense of yours...

Anyway... it's not the first time neither the last that you behave like a c*ancerous poster... ( rating speaking for you) by bringing yours ignorance and pushing it till you believe in your own lies... Try to behave like a civilized member of our society... ALways running from the arguments with low tactics...

Have Fun, alone...

Long story short,I'm right

 

[damm1t]

Ok guys Turks were so weak, Greeks, Armenians even Gypsies beaten us, I really don't know how we even created those empires. By luck I think .. @HannibalBarca Dude if you have noticed that no Turks here reply them, they are well known trolls with some *** burn.

 

[Nurhak40]

didnt we kick their asses in anatolia and trew them in the sea?

 

[denel]

Lol.. Gypsies may be in same league with Greece but not us, apperantly.

Very very well put.

I have been to greece 8 times and Turkey twice. There is no ways... I mean no ways you can compare the two; it is like comparing a backwater 3rd world with a modern day country. Kudos!!!!... I loved Turkey and hope to visit again. We dont need visas for Turkey just eTRV online which is approved within 15min for 0 $US. so it is an absolute. For Greece, i had to apply for the Shengen visa - no issues - i always got it within 2 days after a 10min interview; always helped to have Greek friends.

 

[xenon54 out]

Greece is a millinea old nation based on history. And Turkey? Well you know yourself.

You are an anonymous nation. You have no Aristoteles, no Platon, no Leonidas, no Epikur, no Plutarch, no Homer.

Greeks dont have them anymore either, nor are the Italians as mighty as the Romans anymore, whats your point?

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Two words...Catholic Church. Read up on your own history and then tell us of free thinking and individualism.

Read up my own history and think about free thinking and individualism? You really said that? I´m Italian you know that? Ever heared about the Renaissance? Leonardo da Vinci? Galileo Galile? Medici?

Greeks dont have them anymore either, nor are the Italians as mighty as the Romans anymore, whats your point?

I think Italy has more power today than Greece or Turkey, thats true. And we have by far the biggest impact on culture.

 

[Avicenna]

Read up my own history and think about free thinking and individualism? You really said that? I´m Italian you know that? Ever heared about the Renaissance? Leonardo da Vinci? Galileo Galile? Medici?



I think Italy has more power today than Greece or Turkey, thats true. And we have by far the biggest impact on culture.

Yea i say it again. Read up on heliocentrism and Galileo. If anything Galileo was a disruptor going against the values of society at that time. i.e. the Catholic Church.

Secondly, you do realize for the Rennasisance to happen, The ancient works were preserved and expanded upon by the scientists of the ISLAMIC civilization. Look up the definition of the word rennaisance and put it in the context of world history.