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Did Zardari negotiated anything in return for Pakistan in his infamous meeting with Indian PM?
I also wonder how come two countries have same system of governance but on one side it is President sealing the deals and on the other side it is prime minister!
I also wonder why news like of bomb blasts, burning of schools, train march and awakening of aitizaz ahsan are superseding this historic decision!
Is it all not part and parcel of same design?
 
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7 October 2008

Pakistan's top diplomat in London says Pakistan is opposed to outside militants engaging in "cross-border terrorism" in Kashmir.

But High Commissioner Wajid Shamsul Hasan says that Kashmiris themselves are justified in using force to drive India out of Kashmir.


He was seeking to clarify a Wall Street Journal report at the weekend.

The newspaper quoted President Asif Zardari as calling Islamic militants in Kashmir "terrorists".

The report caused outrage among Kashmiri Muslims opposed to Indian rule, many of whom who regard militant groups fighting Indian rule as freedom fighters.

Protesters took to the streets of the town of Baramullah on Monday, close to the Line of Control that separates Indian and Pakistan-administered Kashmir, and burnt an effigy of Mr Zardari.

Leading Kashmiri separatists denounced him for being "afraid of India".

'Damaged the cause'

High Commissioner Hasan said that Mr Zardari was not seeking to undermine "the indigenous struggle by the Kashmiri people for the right of self-determination" in his Wall Street Journal interview.

Mr Hasan made his comments in an e-mail sent to various media including the BBC. He said that Mr Zardari had repeated that "Pakistan is opposed to external militants indulging in cross-border terrorism and subverting a genuine indigenous freedom movement".

Correspondents say the phrase "cross-border terrorism" is one that has been used consistently by India, which has accused Pakistan of arming and helping Pakistani-based militants fighting in Kashmir.

The e-mail also said that Mr Hasan believed that "such foreign militants as a matter of fact have damaged the Kashmiri cause rather than helping their just struggle for freedom".

The first armed groups fighting Indian rule in Kashmir sprang up in the 1980s and were made up of Kashmiris. Later Pakistani militants came to play the dominant role there.

The BBC News website asked Mr Hasan if Pakistan's position was that indigenous militants were justified in using force against Indian forces in Kashmir, to which he replied, "Yes".

Pakistan has fought two wars with India over Kashmir and both countries claim the territory as its own.

'Just cause'

India maintains a huge security presence in Kashmir and the military and police, as well as the militants, have frequently been accused of gross human rights abuses.

On Monday Pakistan Information Minister Sherry Rehman of Mr Zardari's Pakistan People's Party (PPP) sought to clarify Mr Zardari's comments.

"The president has made it very clear that the just cause of Kashmir and its struggle for self-determination has been a consistent central position of the PPP for 40 years now," she told the BBC Urdu service.

"There is no change in that policy. He has never called the legitimate aspirations of Kashmiris an expression of terrorism, nor has he undermined the sufferings of the Kashmiri people."

However she offered no explicit support for the use of violence to oust Indian forces from Kashmir.

The Wall Street Journal also quoted Mr Zardari as making a series of conciliatory comments about nuclear rival India. "India has never been a threat to Pakistan," he said and "I, for one, and our democratic government is not scared of Indian influence abroad".

He also said that Pakistan had to develop strong economic ties with India. "There is no other economic survival for nations like us. We have to trade with our neighbours first."

High Commissioner Hasan said such comments did not prejudice in any way UN resolutions on Kashmir which call for a plebiscite in Kashmir to determine its future.
 
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what i fail to understand is how can you guy's call zardari a treason???
frankly, i believe that all the pakistani leaders in the past 30 years were economically useless for pakistan. zardari however has figured it all out. he's prioritizing economic growth over dispute with india. i think if he had pakistani consensus then he'd change pakistan in a way that no other pakistani did.
 
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what i fail to understand is how can you guy's call zardari a treason???
frankly, i believe that all the pakistani leaders in the past 30 years were economically useless for pakistan. zardari however has figured it all out. he's prioritizing economic growth over dispute with india. i think if he had pakistani consensus then he'd change pakistan in a way that no other pakistani did.

Yes he's a genius and he will solve all economic problems of Pakistan. Already he has asked for billion dollars of aid, the ruppee has hit the lowest and the foreign reserves are depleting. Yes certainly he is better then all past leaders on a down side scale.:disagree:
 
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Yes he's a genius and he will solve all economic problems of Pakistan. Already he has asked for billion dollars of aid, the ruppee has hit the lowest and the foreign reserves are depleting. Yes certainly he is better then all past leaders on a down side scale.:disagree:

Give him time. He'll do a far better job than Musharraf, and precisely because he doesn't have any moral compunctions.
 
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Yes he's a genius and he will solve all economic problems of Pakistan. Already he has asked for billion dollars of aid, the ruppee has hit the lowest and the foreign reserves are depleting. Yes certainly he is better then all past leaders on a down side scale.:disagree:
very good!!! one more time plzz...
 
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what i fail to understand is how can you guy's call zardari a treason???
frankly, i believe that all the pakistani leaders in the past 30 years were economically useless for pakistan. zardari however has figured it all out. he's prioritizing economic growth over dispute with india. i think if he had pakistani consensus then he'd change pakistan in a way that no other pakistani did.

The only consensus Pakistani people have about Zardari is that he is a corrupt looter and a thief and he is going to harm Pakistan.

Simple as that.
 
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Yes he's a genius and he will solve all economic problems of Pakistan. Already he has asked for billion dollars of aid, the ruppee has hit the lowest and the foreign reserves are depleting. Yes certainly he is better then all past leaders on a down side scale.:disagree:

IceCold,if any one gives us loan it will come with heavy mark up and next govt.will have to face the consequences of hefty debt servicing.
I think ghadari is doing his (ghadari) job immaculately, just look how fast he destroyed Pakistan economy.
New to me is last time when Pervaiz Elahi was opposition leader he made some hue cry over second hand bus import from india.
This time opposition leader is Nisar and he has not objected to this historic dictation.
I think PMLN is afraid of annoying ghadari which may result in disintegration of PPP-PMLN partner ship and may very well become reason for collapse of Shahbaz Sharif's govt.
 
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and precisely because he doesn't have any moral compunctions.

LOLOLOL. Good one mate.

Its very illuminating to see how so many Indians have taken to liking this thug ;). That in itself helps legitimize Jana's concerns...
 
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LOLOLOL. Good one mate.

Its very illuminating to see how so many Indians have taken to liking this thug ;). That in itself helps legitimize Jana's concerns...

Yes, he has an "Ajeeb si kashish".

He is going to be good for Pakistan and good for the region. Mark my words.

You guys made a good choice after all these decades. Kudos to you. :azn:
 
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Honestly, if you think you are helping Zardari or something. You're not. You should see the way people talk about him here, and no I am not talking about the right winger Pakistanis type that come to this forum...I mean NORMAL people. You're just happy that he is selling out our policy and calling your enemies 'terrorist'. But dont get too comfy, things change, particularly when people dont like it.
 
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