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All Roadblocks Removed, 5th Gen Fighter Agreement Soon: Defence Minister



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The Tenth Meeting of the India-Russia Inter-Governmental Commission on Military Technical Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC) was held here today. The Defence Minister Shri AK Antony and the Russian Defence Minister Mr. AE Serdyukov headed the respective delegations. The Indian delegation included Defence Secretary Shri Pradeep Kumar, Secretary (Defence Production) Shri RK Singh, Shri VK Saraswat, Scientific Adviser to Defence Minister and other senior officials of the Ministry of Defence and the Armed Forces. The Russian delegation included representatives from the Russian Ministry of Defence and the Russian Defence Industry.

In his opening remarks at the IRIGC-MTC meeting, Shri Antony said that India values the strong and multifaceted friendship with Russia and noted that the defence relationship between both countries is based on convergent and complementary interests and has been mutually beneficial. He also observed that the bilateral defence cooperation with Russia is a comprehensive partnership, in which both countries have moved beyond the buyer-seller relationship and are collaborating in joint R&D and production of defence equipments and systems.

The Commission took note of the progress on several major projects since its last meeting, which was held in Moscow in October 2009. Both sides expressed satisfaction at the conclusion of the Shareholders Agreement for formation of a Joint Venture Company for the development and production of the Multirole Transport Aircraft (MTA). Further, both sides agreed to expedite modalities for the proposed project for the joint design, development and production of the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA).

“India hopes to get 45 MTA and also finalize the FGFA, … all the issues we have discussed and solved between our two countries… now it is in the final stages of the Indian government, some technical formalities between the governments is needed and I am sure we will be able to complete very soon…within a few months,” Shri Antony later told a joint press conference. “As per this agreement India will receive approximately between 250-300 most modern FGFA. These two projects are the major achievements of this year and for the next ten years these two projects, MTA and FGFA, will be a shining example of India and Russian defence cooperation,” he added.

“We have very good big plans and we have very serious projects and work before us. And this, as I said, will be a big challenge and we will try to do our best in order to prove that our bilateral cooperation can give us very good practical results,” said Mr. Serdyukov.

The Joint Commission also reviewed the status of several other ongoing and proposed projects, including the licenced production of T-90 Tanks and the establishment of the repair and overhaul facilities for various Russian origin defence equipment in India.

The IRIGC-MTC was established in 2000, with a view to further bilateral defence cooperation between India and Russia. Russia is the only country with which India has such an institutionalized mechanism at the level of the Defence Ministers of both sides, which highlights the strength and importance of the bilateral defence relationship. The Commission is supported by two Working groups – on Military Technical Cooperation and Shipbuilding, Aviation and Land Systems respectively and seven sub-groups.

The scope for military technical cooperation between both countries is defined through an umbrella inter-Governmental agreement; and Agreement on a long term programme for military and technical cooperation for the period 2011-2020 was signed during the visit of the Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh to Russia in December last year.

Prior to the IRIGC meeting today, both Defence Ministers also held separate discussions on various issues of regional and global security. Both Ministers agreed on the need to enhance interactions between the Armed Forces of both countries. Noting that a joint exercise between the Armies of both sides is due to be held in India this month, both Ministers also decided that a joint exercise between the Armed Forces would be held in Russia in 2011. The Russian Defence Minister also stated that the Chief of Defence Forces of Russia would visit India in November this year and that the Russian Navy Chief would visit in January 2011.



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Yeppy... what a delight... Nothing is as good as a deal struck with Russia... :tup:...

Nice to see a Umbrella of cooperation signed for a decade.. a trust worthy partner for us always :agree:
 
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But still nothing clear about the differences between Pak Fa and FGFA, I hope more will come out when the contracts are signed.
 
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But still nothing clear about the differences between Pak Fa and FGFA, I hope more will come out when the contracts are signed.

certain things are confirmed that ...
1) FGFA- twin-seater ....for maximum air superiority and optimum division of task load between the two crew.... and therefore the control surfaces have to be reworked .....a substantial design modification
2) HAL will implement composites above those already used in the Pak Fa final production variant....not just the T50 prototype....

3)critical software systems and mission computers given by HAL .....

4) Avionic packages .....seems confirmed to be customized according to our requirements....Israeli / French subsystems used as in MKI.....

5)Armaments obtained from a variety of sources ....Indian ( Astra)..Israeli & next gen Russian A to A , A to G missiles .......to be used and hence the platform is to be considerably more versatile than the single seater Pak Fa.....we can even say the ground attack capability will be significantly enhanced over the Pak Fa....as the Pak Fa is designed primarily as an interceptor....so multirole capabilities enhanced in FGFA....
6) this is unconfirmed but the Indian negotiators have apparently insisted on Fly- by -Light instead of Fly -by -wire....

now the Raptor/F 35 is supposed to be highly capable of electronic warfare...so as FBL is considerably less susceptible to electronic disruption than FBW....we can speculate that this requirement of the IAF is a precaution against any procurement of F35 by the PAF in the future......
 
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We should get JHMS from Elbit,Israel ala F-35 for FGFA.
 
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We should get JHMS from Elbit,Israel ala F-35 for FGFA.

Boeing has contracted for more than 2,000 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS) systems over the past six years. They are the prime contractor and integrator for JHMCS, which is produced by the Rockwell Collins/ Elbit joint venture Vision Systems International, LLC, based in San Jose, CA. so we need uncle sams permission bro to integrate it
 
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Its of my understanding that Y India spending too much on such an AC which even havent tested its flights...
India is testing MRCA AC's from last 2 years......some of them r battle proven.....they took 2+ years to test them n they r signng for 250 stealth AC's which are in just development phase not with a single proven test...Intresting
 
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Boeing has contracted for more than 2,000 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS) systems over the past six years. They are the prime contractor and integrator for JHMCS, which is produced by the Rockwell Collins/ Elbit joint venture Vision Systems International, LLC, based in San Jose, CA. so we need uncle sams permission bro to integrate it

Which ofcourse Uncle Sam will never give..
Russia is an ever rival of uncle Sam
 
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May be I m wrong...
But its a question Y IAF descided abt 250 Ac's so early.....even the AC is not fully developed n tested.

I feel that that Russsia is losing MRCA deal thats y to keep them satisfy n happy this would be the step taken
 
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May be I m wrong...
But its a question Y IAF descided abt 250 Ac's so early.....even the AC is not fully developed n tested.

I feel that that Russsia is losing MRCA deal thats y to keep them satisfy n happy this would be the step taken

dude no dis respect but is jf 17 battle proven no but still PAF is investing in it because after a series of test and modifications you guys will get a good fighter and fill the gap in your air force same as india . There is no way we can get F22 second if we consider F 35 no were in near future we will get it because it got a long list of countries waiting for it. the only option we got is PAKFA and we will stream line it into one of the best 5th generation fighter because it got no rivals yet in this region so PAKFA is the best buy
 
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Which ofcourse Uncle Sam will never give..
Russia is an ever rival of uncle Sam

that is not so.....didn't the U.S give a green light for the Phalcon transfers.....if the U.S does not approve giving a particular system to India ....it has nothing to do with India being a principal russian arms customer....its because the tech in question is ( according to U.S foreign military sales office) too sensitive and cutting edge ...and would allow India to develop capabilities well overwhelming its Pakistani /Chinese rivals ......for example the Arrow ABM system(which was denied to us) would have made the entire Pakistani short range ballastic missiles useless......the U.S again has reservations about transfering complete ToT for AN/APG 76 AESA ....if the Super Hornet is chosen by the IAF.......this is again because the radar would give a significant edge in situational awareness to Indian pilots ....far over say Chengdu J10 or J17 pilots .....

this is called a balancing of the power equation.....
 
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Its of my understanding that Y India spending too much on such an AC which even havent tested its flights...
India is testing MRCA AC's from last 2 years......some of them r battle proven.....they took 2+ years to test them n they r signng for 250 stealth AC's which are in just development phase not with a single proven test...Intresting

Bro.... It is the level of commitment we are extending to Russia.. We have full trust and being a JV it will be beneficial for AMCA... Since we have already seen light at the end of the tunnel.. so we can go ahead to purchase it.
 
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May be I m wrong...
But its a question Y IAF descided abt 250 Ac's so early.....even the AC is not fully developed n tested.

I feel that that Russsia is losing MRCA deal thats y to keep them satisfy n happy this would be the step taken

MRCA deal is just half of what we have purchased in terms of MKI... we have already double the deal in past 5 years .. seeing the things going on i feel we will be still purchasing more advanced version of MKI... so MMRCA wont be big deal for Russia.. We have other commitments like Mig29 SMT and K version... so this deal is no way related to MMRCA...
 
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