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Government firm on opposing dalit tag for converts

NEW DELHI: The Centre has decided to oppose the demand for dalit status for "converts" to Christianity and Islam, arguing that only Hinduism recognized "caste system" and "untouchability" that led to the creation of a special category called Scheduled Castes.

An interesting reason cited to red-flag the demand is that the Constitution provides reservation in legislatures to dalits and tribals to "compensate for the social injustice" suffered by them over centuries and extending this benefit to converts would impinge on the rights of SCs/STs.

While the move was expected after social justice minister Thaawar Chand Gehlot made the government stance plain in an interview to TOI on October 10 last year, it is now learnt that his ministry detailed reasons to the Union law ministry to oppose in Supreme Court the petition seeking SC status for converts.

The unambiguous opposition from the BJP government is a sharp departure from the UPA regime's strategy to buy time - in 2005, entrusting a national commission to study the issue and in 2011, deciding to wait for 'socio-economic caste census' for data to commission further studies.

As polarizing as it is complicated, the issue is rooted in the reasoning that SC status -- limited to Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists -- should be made religion-neutral, thereby opening it to Hindu "untouchables" who converted to Islam and Christianity.

Strongly objecting to the demand, the BJP government argues that "untouchability" was a peculiar aspect of Hindu religion that "denied to disadvantaged castes the fundamentals of human dignity, human self-respect and even some of the attributes of human personality".

Linking this "evil practice" exclusively to Hinduism, the government says mere social "backwardness" cannot put converts at par with dalits whose backwardness arises from the traditional practice of "untouchability".

The Centre argues that recognizing SC among followers of Islam and Christianity would amount to violation of the basic tenets of these religions since they do not recognize the caste system.


Besides, stretching the quota frontiers to Christianity and Islam would necessitate an increase in the quantum of reservation which would result in the upper ceiling of 50% being breached, the Centre argues.

According to the Centre, identifying dalit converts is not easy - since conversions have been happening over several centuries, the caste of an individual's forefathers cannot be ascertained, especially where the descendants have left the original caste-related occupation.

On the contrary, the government argues that dalit converts form part of OBCs in states and at the Centre, benefitting from job reservations and welfare schemes catering to backwards as also religious minorities, adding it would be "iniquitous" to grant "converts" the benefits targeting SCs.

Crucially, the apprehension that rendering the SC list religion-neutral would encourage conversions, expressed by minister Gehlot in his interview to TOI, does not figure in the social justice ministry's list of reasons to oppose the demand of dalit Christians/Muslims.

Government firm on opposing dalit tag for converts - The Times of India
 
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Befitting reply.There isno caste system in Abrahamic Religion.So let them live with help of their evangelists and mullahs .Tax payers wont gave them any concessions.

That is only for the oppressed Dharmic communities.
 
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Many claim they converted to "escape the oppression" of Hinduism. So now why do they need reservation? Let their church provide them the benefit.

If I leave a company because of low salary and join another company I should not expect my old company to keep on paying my salary
 
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Befitting reply.There isno caste system in Abrahamic Religion.So let them live with help of their evangelists and mullahs .Tax payers wont gave them any concessions.

That is only for the oppressed Dharmic communities.
Please remember that christians and muslims also are tax payers and their moneys are also involved in the welfare of the community.
I agree with the govt. that benefits meant for scheduled castes should not go to those whoare muslims or christians as the moment its known that they are muslims are christians, their previous castes becomes invalid unless they want to live with their roots. Things are more complicated but the idea behind reservation benefits to SCs are completely different and it should be stuck with that.
 
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That is only for the oppressed Dharmic communities.
I do support..but what about those Dalit groups,who are converting out of Hindu caste system to Buddhism??..Afterall Sree Buddha himself rejects caste system..
 
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I do support..but what about those Dalit groups,who are converting out of Hindu caste system to Buddhism??..Afterall Sree Buddha himself rejects caste system..
Isn't Gautam Buddha considered an Avatar of Lord Vishnu?
 
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lets see how the psecular media responds to this..
 
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Right decision........ and i would say a master stroke against conversion.....
Looks like you are ill informed. Its a right decision in a different context and nothing to do with conversion. The people who converted to christianity or Islam did so knowing it well that they will lose reservation benefits. Its only aftermath that they are seeking to get the benefits again which in my opinion is not right.
 
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Looks like you are ill informed. Its a right decision in a different context and nothing to do with conversion. The people who converted to christianity or Islam did so knowing it well that they will lose reservation benefits. Its only aftermath that they are seeking to get the benefits again which in my opinion is not right.

I know it is has nothing to do with conversion..... But this is a master stroke against conversion (for those who want to stop conversion)...... they wont get the freebies....... That will make them think twice..... Most of the conversions happens for economic reason.....
 
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Good decision.... Any outside of Hinduism SC/ST are allowed to reap the fruit of reservations....
 
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I know it is has nothing to do with conversion..... But this is a master stroke against conversion (for those who want to stop conversion)...... they wont get the freebies....... That will make them think twice..... Most of the conversions happens for economic reason.....
Its a jaundiced view.
In the last 67 years, the govt. never agreed to extend the SC benefits to non-hindus. was that too a master stroke against converson? It was only VP Singh who extended the reservation benefits rightly to the SCs who converted to Buddhism as nothing changed their social status except personal beliefs and they continued to be discriminated against. Now the BJP govt is pursuing the same line that was pursued by the earlier congress governments and you call it a master stroke.
 
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Its a jaundiced view.
In the last 67 years, the govt. never agreed to extend the SC benefits to non-hindus. was that too a master stroke against converson? It was only VP Singh who extended the reservation benefits rightly to the SCs who converted to Buddhism as nothing changed their social status except personal beliefs and they continued to be discriminated against. Now the BJP govt is pursuing the same line that was pursued by the earlier congress governments and you call it a master stroke.

Well I call it master stroke by them for their intentions.......(I agree with it or not let us leave it for now).... Look at the context of the action and the reason behind it....
 
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