Google vs China thread

[SinoIndusFriendship]

While we are on the subject of CENSORSHIP, let's see the search results for:

"Google Click Fraud" or "Google Ad Scam"

Within the last decade Russian zionists Sergey Brin and Larry Page deceived the public shareholders and Advertisers of BILLIONS of dollars through a massive MONEY LAUNDERING SCAM. The company is a front organization for money laundering and propaganda. About 5 years ago or so, there was a massive internal and people's investigation to these alleged scams but the grassroots movement was suppressed and extinguished, but not totally extinguished.

Hundreds of millions of people suffered direct financial losses, yet the front continued it's massive scam by buying our Firefox for a few measily million to further solidify their position. Reports by (true) human rights activists and techies to the bias by Firefox giving preferential treatment have yield little actual results.

During the "Do no evil" propaganda campaign the zionist front organization extended its tentacles buy purchase Dark Fibre (those used for Internet backbone) and is now heavily trying to censor the Mobile market with they CLOSED PROPRIETARY software.

Yet for all the claims of being IT "genius", so few of these self-proclaimed IT "genius" are familiar with any intimate knowledge of computers, software or mathematics.

 

[AnGrz_Z_K_Jailer]

Edited excerpts of Google's statement on China operations

14 Jan 2010, 0105 hrs IST,

Google, which announced on Wednesday that it is reviewing its China operations, issued what must be one of the most unusual statements ever
released by a company. It said that it had unearthed evidence on attacks on 20 companies originating from China and had also come across systematic attempts to access Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists. These activities, the company said, raised wider questions about human rights and censorship. Edited excerpts:

Like many other well-known organisations, we face cyber attacks of varying degrees on a regular basis. In mid-December, we detected a highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual property from Google.

However, it soon became clear that what at first appeared to be solely a security incident — albeit a significant one —was something quite different.

First, this attack was not just on Google. As part of our investigation we have discovered that at least twenty other large companies from a wide range of businesses—including the Internet, finance, technology, media and chemical sectors—have been similarly targeted. We are currently in the process of notifying those companies, and we are also working with the relevant US authorities.

Second, we have evidence to suggest that a primary goal of the attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists. Based on our investigation to date we believe their attack did not achieve that objective. Only two Gmail accounts appear to have been accessed, and that activity was limited to account information (such as the date the account was created) and subject line, rather than the content of emails themselves.

Third, as part of this investigation but independent of the attack on Google, we have discovered that the accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- and Europe-based Gmail users who are advocates of human rights in China appear to have been routinely accessed by third parties. These accounts have not been accessed through any security breach at Google, but most likely via phishing scams or malware placed on the users’ computers.

We have taken the unusual step of sharing information about these attacks with a broad audience not just because of the security and human rights implications of what we have unearthed.

These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of our business operations in China. We have decided we are no longer willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn, and so over the next few weeks we will be discussing with the Chinese government the basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search engine within the law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China.

The decision to review our business operations in China has been incredibly hard, and we know that it will have potentially far-reaching consequences. We are committed to working responsibly to resolve the very difficult issues raised.

Source : Edited excerpts of Google's statement on China operations- Internet-Infotech-The Economic Times

 

[TruthSeeker]

Washington Post: Google vs. China

Thursday, January 14, 2010

GOOD FOR Google. The company's decision to stop censoring its Chinese search engine is more likely to mean the end of its China-based service than a breakdown of Beijing's political firewall. But more important than the question of whether Google.cn survives is the larger issue that Google has now raised for other Western companies and democratic governments -- which is whether China's gross and growing abuse of the Internet should be quietly tolerated or actively resisted.

Google cited a major instance of that abuse in announcing its policy change: "a highly sophisticated and targeted attack" on Google and more than 20 other large companies aimed at stealing software code. "A primary goal of the attackers," Google said, was breaking into the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists.

This is shocking but unsurprising. Cyberattacks from China aimed at U.S. businesses, the Pentagon and other government agencies have become commonplace, if not epidemic, in recent years. So have Beijing's demands that Western companies collaborate in its efforts to censor political content on the Internet and snoop on the private e-mails of its citizens, several of whom have been prosecuted with e-mails supplied by Yahoo. China aims not just at eliminating the free speech and virtual free assembly that are inherent to the Internet, but at turning it into a weapon that can be used against democrats and democratic societies.

Until now, Western companies and governments have mostly gone along with Beijing's polices -- though U.S. computer manufacturers successfully resisted an attempt by China last year to require that censoring software be pre-installed on all new computers. Now Google has taken the admirable step of embracing open and public resistance. Skeptics point out that it was losing the search market battle inside China to the domestic brand Baidu. But Google.cn still attracts tens of millions of Chinese users, who will have questions for their government if the company is driven out. U.S consumers, for their part, should want answers from companies such as Apple and Microsoft, which continue to kowtow to the Chinese censors. Internet activists say Microsoft censors Chinese language searches of Bing both in and outside of China; Apple has blocked Chinese from downloading applications related to the Dalai Lama.

Google's action also challenges the Obama administration, which has been slow to embrace the cause of Internet freedom. The restrictions the Chinese government imposes on Google and other firms ought to be a trade issue as well as a human rights issue; after all Beijing is making it impossible for Western companies to compete in an important part of its market. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton issued a statement Tuesday saying the Chinese government would be asked about the cyberattacks reported by Google. But another question ought to be directed at her own department, which has sat on funding for Internet freedom initiatives and denied support to the Global Internet Freedom Consortium , which says its software can circumvent China's firewall. Firewall-busting would allow Chinese to continue accessing Google's uncensored searches whether or not the company retains a Chinese base. It ought to be a major part of the Internet initiative Ms. Clinton plans to announce this month.

Google vs. China - washingtonpost.com

 

[Luftwaffe]

gogbot..Get with tech culture.
Google has a massive and loyal community base. as well as its popular public image.
BING has to offer more than a clone. as well as the fact Most people are looking for Microsoft alternatives as much as possible.

Dear,
BING is the next big search engine of the future after google and yahoo its not new but refined and technology being used some what the same as google launch of BING did rattled google and thus will take its fair share from google's monopoly however i've to remind you that Microsoft entered search engine business before google they've experience to strike back don't teach me son when i say clone i meant the structure and yes Microsoft has offered much over the years they got google's redesigned idea with with internal structural derived from google to some extend.. as google is smart so figure it out when Microsoft's experience, expertise and smartness combines together..Use BING for a week 4 hrs a day atleast as a researcher come back tell me what did you mean by BING has to offer more than a clone?will you trade XP/WIN7 for chrome OS? lets see would you like to keep your data online to be sneaked peeked by google or better keep it on your hard drive..

And you are wrong yet again since you don't have the statistics therefore using "MOST PEOPLE" is invalid many could be the alternative but how many we don't know...personally i use Bing as first choice after its release and Next Google..Just let me know what google is offering that Microsoft is not??
those crappy applications? youtube? Gmail? what else?

 

[AnGrz_Z_K_Jailer]

US urges China to work with Google on security

14 Jan 2010, 0328 hrs IST, REUTERS

WASHINGTON: US Commerce Secretary Gary Locke urged China on Wednesday to ensure a "secure" commercial environment for Google and other US companies Google after the world's top search engine said it may shut its Chinese-language website because of cyber attacks.

"The recent cyber intrusion that Google attributes to China is troubling to the U.S. government and American companies doing business in China," Locke said in a statement. "This incident should be equally troubling to the Chinese government.

The administration encourages the government of China to work with Google and other U.S. companies to ensure a climate for secure commercial operations in the Chinese market," Locke said.

Google threatened on Tuesday to pull out of China because of censorship and cyber attacks on rights activists, putting a further strain on US-Sino relations. Locke said he has personally raised with Chinese officials several times the importance that President Barack Obama and the US government place on "the full and free flow of information on the Internet."

"In November, the president made Internet freedom a central human rights issue on his trip to China, holding the first ever online town hall where he highlighted the principle that the Internet must be free and open," Locke said.

China has not made any significant comment since Google said it will not abide by censorship and may shut its google.cn website because of attacks from China on human rights activists using its Gmail service and on dozens of companies.

Source :
US urges China to work with Google on security- Internet-Infotech-The Economic Times

 

[xebex]

When will India have it's own search engine? The current 'search engine' in India is actually performed by MANUAL labour!!! When will Indians use their OWN language(s) on electronic documents/online?

You dont even know what u talking about. I bet the very programming language of the so called chinese softwares and websites are are written in English. Which doesnt mean there arent any chinese programming laguages but they aint powerfull compared to C/C++, Java....etc. Dont make ur ignorance fool u, there are more Indian programming languages out there than chinese JFYI.

So dont get so excited buddy!!

Now, as far as the use of English in everyday life is concerned, there is a solid fact behind it. Indians use English bcoz we recognize the fact that there should be a common language for citizens from differnt liguistic back ground to communicate. If that common language is English then, they will be able to communicate not only within India but Internationally. Now look at us as we are taking advantage of this. Im writing this post just bcoz u drag india into this.

PS: Bytheway, are u in a mission to drag India to every Chinese related issues??

 

[great_han]

If no CCP's business, who deleted relative articles about this event?
They are obviously trying to cover something. What's that?

 

[EjazR]

Congress to Investigate Google Charges of Chinese Internet Spying

Washington, DC, United States (AHN) – Congress plans to investigate allegations raised Tuesday by Internet provider Google that the Chinese government used the company’s service to spy on human rights activists

A hearing by the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on human rights and the law is planned as soon as next month.

“A follow-up hearing on that is in the works and it’s likely to happen in February,” an aide to Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-IL), chairman of the subcommittee, told AHN Media.

He said he was uncertain whether members of Congress would propose new legislation to prevent Internet spying but that it could not be ruled out as a possibility.

The planned hearing would “explore this issue and others,” said the Durbin aide, who asked not to be quoted by name.

In 2008, the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on human rights and the law was considering legislation that would force U.S. corporations to stop using their Internet services to assist repressive governments. A House bill would have imposed criminal penalties on the companies.

The legislation failed to win approval in Congress.

Google said Tuesday it would shut down its operations in China unless the government there agreed to stop using its search engine for spying or to censor political information posted on it. About 80 million Chinese use Google.

Google said in a statement that it was the target of a “highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China” in mid-December that resulted in “the theft of intellectual property.”

The cyber-attack was primarily designed to access Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists, the Internet company said. Other sources have said U.S. defense contractors, such as Northrop Grumman Corp., also were targeted.

 

[EjazR]

When will Indians use their OWN language(s) on electronic documents/online?

Well Google already has versions of searching in Indic languages. Infact, a Hyderabadi googler developed the Kashmiri version of these keyboard gadgets recently. Other languages like Tamil Hindi Urdu e.t.c. have been available for a while now.
Official Google Blog: Crossing team and global boundaries

You can check it out here
Indic On-Screen Keyboards

Also the coolest thing is this transliteration service. Just type in roman text and see it converted in Urdu.

For example Mujhe Google pasand hai becomes --> مجھے گوگل پسند ہے . Really neat.
Type in Urdu - Google Transliteration

The service is also available for Hindi, Bengali, e.t.c and other languages like Arabic and Russian. I have heard that many more are on the way.

 

[gogbot]

gogbot..Get with tech culture.
Google has a massive and loyal community base. as well as its popular public image.
BING has to offer more than a clone. as well as the fact Most people are looking for Microsoft alternatives as much as possible.

Dear,
BING is the next big search engine of the future after google and yahoo its not new but refined and technology being used some what the same as google launch of BING did rattled google and thus will take its fair share from google's monopoly however i've to remind you that Microsoft entered search engine business before google they've experience to strike back don't teach me son when i say clone i meant the structure and yes Microsoft has offered much over the years they got google's redesigned idea with with internal structural derived from google to some extend.. as google is smart so figure it out when Microsoft's experience, expertise and smartness combines together..Use BING for a week 4 hrs a day atleast as a researcher come back tell me what did you mean by BING has to offer more than a clone?will you trade XP/WIN7 for chrome OS? lets see would you like to keep your data online to be sneaked peeked by google or better keep it on your hard drive..

And you are wrong yet again since you don't have the statistics therefore using "MOST PEOPLE" is invalid many could be the alternative but how many we don't know...personally i use Bing as first choice after its release and Next Google..Just let me know what google is offering that Microsoft is not??
those crappy applications? youtube? Gmail? what else?

This is hilarious.

Honestly , bing. your off the mark

listen your getting into a war much bigger then anything we have had on this forum.

Thousands of nerds posting on what tech is better.

When i install Mozilla Firefox what home page do i get.
Google.

what is the best E-mail service gmail.

end of story.

 

[booo]

The sad part is India with all its self-claims of being an IT Powerhouse, still has no search engine nor email nor software nor hardware that its people use. Instead it only uses zio-controlled outlets. No freedom nor objectivity there.

look whos talking about freedom.

what an irony.

 

[Luftwaffe]

gogbot...story beings..

google is shaked and rattled by BING striking back google in its own game taking away fair market share...When you install firefox its not compulsory to install google as home page option my dear..
Secondly kid this isn't war this is simply business, ending monopoly..you are using Windows therefore don't rant..Thousand nerds are posting they are still not in control on either Microsoft or google company...
All email services are fair and good whether its Hotmail, Yahoo Mail or gmail..
I asked you what special apps google has that Microsoft did not offer without Microsoft your nothing you know that or just switch to Linux/Mac..
The computer you using has 90% Chinese made components Operating system your using is Microsoft Windows...
Official results by your nerds..Google is in the lead with 44%, with Bing in second at 32% (new and that close to google shaking google like no one else) and Yahoo last at 24%
I'm not siding with anyone side i found search results as good as google search so why cry babble when something good comes out of Microsoft try to appreciate Windows saved your life today your on computer and on defence.pk

 

[Red Dwarf]

Bing is good even though not as good as google in providing the latest results or the relevant results. But they are improving day by day. I have to admit that Gmail is the simplest and user friendly mail available today even though its space is limited in relation to what yahoo and hotmail provides

 

[Communist]

China gives first response to Google threat

BBC News - China gives first response to Google threat

China has said that foreign internet firms are welcome to do business "according to the law".

The statement, from Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu, is Beijing's first response to Google's threat to stop filtering content in China.

Google said late on Tuesday that Chinese cyber-attacks aimed at human rights activists might force it to close its Chinese operations. Ms Jiang said the internet was "open" in China. Google announced that it was no longer willing to censor its Chinese search engine - google.cn.

The search engine subsequently said it would hold talks with the government in the coming weeks to look at operating an unfiltered search engine within the law in the country, though no changes to filtering have yet been made.
'Holding statement'

At a regular foreign ministry news briefing, Ms Jiang said: "China like other countries administers the internet according to law. "China's internet is open and the Chinese government encourages development of the internet."

She was responding to a reporter's question on Google and US concerns about the business environment in light of Google's reported cyber-attacks.

"Chinese law proscribes any form of hacking activity," she said.
When Google launched google.cn in 2006, it agreed to censor some of the search results, as required by the Chinese government.

The BBC's Chris Hogg in Shanghai said Ms Jiang's comments sounded like a holding statement, until officials can have talks with Google. Google currently holds around a third of the Chinese search market, far behind Chinese rival Baidu with more than 60%.

China has more internet users - about 350 million - than any other country. Last year, the search engine market was worth an estimated $1bn (£614m).

BBC News - China gives first response to Google threat

Solid reply Ms Jiang... We, the people, salute you.

 

[grey boy 2]

Google pullout threat 'a pressure tactic' - People's Daily Online

Google's threat to pull out of China over what it claims to be cyber attacks has left millions of Chinese users concerned - and analysts described the move as the company's strategy to put pressure on the Chinese government.

Google - the world's largest search engine - said in a statement yesterday that it is considering exiting China after the company had been hit in December with major cyber attacks that it believes originated in the country.

It is not clear whether users in China, including many foreigners, would continue to access services such as Gmail and Google Map, should the company shut its service.

David Drummond, Google's chief legal officer, said in an unusual statement posted online that the company had detected a highly sophisticated and targeted attack from China that resulted in the theft of the company's intellectual property.

"These attacks ... led us to conclude that we review the feasibility of our business operations in China."

He said Google will no longer continue censoring results on Google.cn, a Chinese-language website it launched in 2006, and is discussing with the Chinese government the possibility that it operate an unfiltered search engine within the law.

"We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China," he added.

The statement marks a shift in the company's China strategy for the past five years, which is to provide censored results under Chinese law through its domestic search engine in exchange for a presence in the world's largest online population.

That strategy helped Google take about 35 percent of China's search engine market in the fourth quarter of last year, according to domestic research firm Analysys International.

Jiao Jian, an office worker who uses both Baidu and Google every day, said the possible shutdown of the Google search engine will have little impact on his life as many other firms provide similar services. "But it's hard to find alternatives to Google's other services, such as Google Map, Google Earth and Gmail," he said.

He also expressed concerns over the availability and safety of his Gmail account if Google exited the country.

Google started a Chinese-language search service as early as 2000 but the company did not have a significant presence in the country until it established a China team in 2005 and launched Google.cn the following year.

Google's possible retreat from China has prompted the company's 700 China staff to fear for their jobs.

"At a general meeting on Wednesday, we were told that Google might quit China, and all of us feel very sad," said an employee with Google's Beijing office on condition of anonymity.

Drummond's post also said Google would try to negotiate with the Chinese government for more favorable operating conditions in China.

However, the anonymous employee told Xinhua that most Google employees are pessimistic about the outcome of the negotiations.

"No agreement will be reached with both sides refusing to give in," he said.

But Guo Ke, a professor on mass communication at Shanghai International Studies University, said it was "almost impossible" for Google to quit China but the Chinese government would not put an end to censorship either.

"It will not make any difference to the government if Google quits China; however, Google will suffer a huge economic loss by leaving the Chinese market," Guo said.

"Chinese Internet users are the real victims if Google quits China. I think Google is just playing cat and mouse, and trying to use netizens' anger or disappointment as leverage," Guo said.

An unnamed official from the State Council Information Office said yesterday that the government is seeking more information on Google's statement.

The official, cited by Xinhua, said it is hard to say whether Google will quit China.

Ever since Lee Kaifu quit as head of Google's China operations six months ago, there have been rumors that the company was rethinking its China strategy and even move its servers out of the country after being involved in a series of government-led Internet crackdowns last year.

It was reported that many employees left Google after Lee's resignation in September and the company has not recruited any new staff since October, according to a Google employee who declined to be named.

Dozens of Google users gathered at the company's headquarters in Beijing yesterday afternoon, some bringing flowers to say farewell.

Most of them were university students who came to pay tribute to the IT giant, expressing disappointment at its withdrawal from China.

Google is one of the few Internet giants that have a significant presence in China. Other firms such as Yahoo! and eBay Inc have given up on the China market after years of sluggish performance.

Millions of Chinese are fans and loyal users of Google and its services such as Gmail, Gtalk and Picasa.

If Google quits China, all its users may have to move their emails and other documents and pictures in advance.

According to the latest official figures, China had 338 million Internet users by the end of June last year.

Google's major competitor Baidu had a 58-percent market share in the last quarter, according to Analysys International.

Source:China Daily