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Going Back to Pakistan: 70 Years After Partition - Witness

At the time Pakistan's military and civil services were dominated by the Punjabi's. Only one regiment in the Pakistani Army was Bengali.
Really.....did you think that May be like today Punjab is the largest region in terms of population. Every Pakistani is equal. Not like in India where you have class systems.
 
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Really.....did you think that May be like today Punjab is the largest region in terms of population. Every Pakistani is equal. Not like in India where you have class systems.
Now don't tell me, there are no regional tensions in between Pakistani provinces.

You were reluctant to even recognize Bengali as a national language.

Also, every Indian is equal too. Not like the Pseudo claim of equality in Pakistan which discriminate the minority when it comes to holding political positions. Even some sects of Islam are not recognized by pakistan.
 
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Are the peoples on both sides really the same people just being divided along the religious line?

To attempt to answer your question.. To begin with we were pretty much the same. We ate the same kind of food, celebrated the same festivals, wore pretty much the same kind of dresses ( at least the male generation back then).

Even the most prominent Pak leaders / Dictators had roots in India - Jinnah , Zia & Musharaf . Over time, things changed.

Which is ok . No issues there .

Quite like North & South Korea, culturally the same but divided due different forms of Governance & the indoctrination that comes with it.

In most families in North India as possibly in Pak too there were / are generations who talk of their days in what now is another nation. The young may wish to go back to see their ancestral homes / home town- more out of curiosity than any other reason.
 
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To attempt to answer your question.. To begin with we were pretty much the same. We ate the same kind of food, celebrated the same festivals, wore pretty much the same kind of dresses ( at least the male generation back then).
Wrong totally wrong we eat beef and you people eat leaf, we wear shalwar qameez male / female you wear dhoti kutra and saari. You believe in every living thing as God and worship idols while we believe in Allah and we only worship him.
 
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That is what the Indians will tell you. That is what few in Pakistan will tell you.

Are they differant? Yes and No. Of course it';s not like on this side they have one eye and three legs and on other they have two eyes and four legs. Think of Chinese/Vietnam border. Think of Chinese/Indian border in Ladakh. On both sides you have Buddhist Tibetan peoples but that does not mean China and India are same?

Pakistan and India share one province called Punjab which is on both sides of the border. This has a line cutting through it based on religion. On both sides you have ethnic Punjabis differantiated by religion. Punjabi Muslim on Pakistan side and mostly Punjabi Sikh on Indian side. However only 2.5% of India is Punjabi. The other 97.5% is other ethnic groups which get more divergent from Pakistan further east/south you move into India from the border.

Punjabi Muslim - Make about 50% of Pakistan
Punjabi Sikh - Make about 2.5% of India.

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The two Punjabs that were divided in 1947. Lahore is capital of Pakistani Punjab province. Amritsar is Sikh holy city in Indian Punjab with border inbetween.


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The Punjab in Pakistan dominates the country at 50% of the population as one province with four province federation. The Indian Punjab is tiny part of India at just about 2.5% of the population. The map below contextualizes Indian Punjab [red] as one state within rest of the 29 Indian states union.


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Hoewever don't let 2.5% hide the reality. Indian Punjabi Sikhs make big chunk of Indian Army and play a role in India far, far greater than their number suggests. So the Indian Punjabi Sikhs make a bigger part of the Indian ethnic mosaic at least at the public/popular perception then their numbers would suggest. I suppose a crude analogy might be Jews in America who despite being a tiny minority make big impact on the public scene.

Here below is Indian Punjab within other 29 Indian states.


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I hope this answers your question. Just as a sidenote if you look at the Pakistan ethnic group map [first top] you will notice the Baloch carry over into Iran. The Pakhtuns carry over into Afghanistan. The Punjabi Muslims carry over into India as Punjabi Sikhs. Only Sindhis are restricted within Pakistan.
Very informative. THANK YOU.
 
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Wrong totally wrong we eat beef and you people eat leaf, we wear shalwar qameez male / female you wear dhoti kutra and saari. You believe in every living thing as God and worship idols while we believe in Allah and we only worship him.


You obviously havent read post No 2.

The OP mentioned being divided along religious lines as the start point. Naturally, all that goes with religion would be applicable.

Next , as far as dresses go Indian Hindu males who came from parts of Punjab & NWFB wore the same dress in large numbers. The generations that followed did not. Re read my post too.
 
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Next , as far as dresses go Indian Hindu males who came from parts of Punjab & NWFB wore the same dress in large numbers.
What is the percentage of population in India with roots in NWFP or Punjab? Give me a figure? 1%, 2%, 3%?? Don't use a drop in a ocean to cover up the mass of Indians who have little to do with Indus region/Pakistan. Strictly speaking India also has Tibetan populations of Buddhist faith - does that make you similar to China?

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Now don't tell me, there are no regional tensions in between Pakistani provinces.

You were reluctant to even recognize Bengali as a national language.

Also, every Indian is equal too. Not like the Pseudo claim of equality in Pakistan which discriminate the minority when it comes to holding political positions. Even some sects of Islam are not recognized by pakistan.
No there aren't regional t3nsuons in Pakistan But your dancing media does it. You will find Pakistanis from all regions serving in same units speaking one language eating same food and fighttovthe death for each other.
You were reluctant to even recognize Bengali as a national language.
This quote of your makes no sense at all. I wasn't even around when these people misbehave with each other. How is this different from when your elders misbehave and Muslims ruled you for a 1000 years and then the British and the Pakistan was taken from you. Now you will also say it wasn't you
Every Indian is equal. Try telling that to the ones that get beaten up for having a moustache or drinking from a water well because they are untouchable. So please spare us the lectures. I have travelled extensively in India. I have positive experiences to remember but most of the Indian on PDF are the genetic crap of India. Not saying that you are however
 
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This quote of your makes no sense at all. I wasn't even around when these people misbehave with each other. How is this different from when your elders misbehave and Muslims ruled you for a 1000 years and then the British and the Pakistan was taken from you. Now you will also say it wasn't you
There was never a Muslim ruler over the former Kingdom which I live. Hence your argument is null. I know, Pakistan's history starts with only Muslim rulers. How about those Pagans who ruled you for more than 1000 years? And your ancestors, same as mine are nothing but Idolaters and Pagans who prayed to sun, earth, rock, trees and so on. Does that make any of us any less?
That's not the topic here, It's partition.

Speaking of Bengali language, I think you have no idea about it, when the federal status for Bengali was put foreward the government stand was widely viewed as an attempt to suppress the culture of the eastern wing. The people of East Bengal demanded that their language be given federal status alongside Urdu and English. The language movement started after independance, as civil society protested the removal of the Bengali script from currency and stamps, which were in place since the British governments. The movement reached its climax in 1952, when the police fired on protesting students and civilians, causing several deaths.

Go check this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mother_Language_Day :D

Every Indian is equal. Try telling that to the ones that get beaten up for having a moustache or drinking from a water well because they are untouchable. So please spare us the lectures. I have travelled extensively in India. I have positive experiences to remember but most of the Indian on PDF are the genetic crap of India. Not saying that you are however

Tell that to your constitution which denies people from minority becoming president or army chiefs. Equality :lol:

Yeah, every Indian is equal. Stop making stupid remarks to prove otherwise. it's a country of 1.3 billion, a mere criminal activity don't represent the entire country. Tensions are bound to happen. Actions are being taken against whoever commit violence and unlawful activities.
 
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There was never a Muslim ruler over the former Kingdom which I live. Hence your argument is null. I know, Pakistan's history starts with only Muslim rulers. How about those Pagans who ruled you for more than 1000 years? And your ancestors, same as mine are nothing but Idolaters and Pagans who prayed to sun, earth, rock, trees and so on. Does that make any of us any less?
That's not the topic here, It's partition.

Speaking of Bengali language, I think you have no idea about it, when the federal status for Bengali was put foreward the government stand was widely viewed as an attempt to suppress the culture of the eastern wing. The people of East Bengal demanded that their language be given federal status alongside Urdu and English. The language movement started after independance, as civil society protested the removal of the Bengali script from currency and stamps, which were in place since the British governments. The movement reached its climax in 1952, when the police fired on protesting students and civilians, causing several deaths.

Go check this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mother_Language_Day :D



Tell that to your constitution which denies people from minority becoming president or army chiefs. Equality :lol:

Yeah, every Indian is equal. Stop making stupid remarks to prove otherwise. it's a country of 1.3 billion, a mere criminal activity don't represent the entire country. Tensions are bound to happen. Actions are being taken against whoever commit violence and unlawful activities.
Calling me stupid and in the same breath all Indian are equal yet dalat are mistreated in your army. Check YouTube.
As far as this arguments concerned no point wasting time with the ignorant. Good bye
 
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Calling me stupid and in the same breath all Indian are equal yet dalat are mistreated in your army. Check YouTube.
As far as this arguments concerned no point wasting time with the ignorant. Good bye
I didn't call you a stupid, I was talking about stupidity in making an argument with prejudice.

My question was are all Dalit mis treated. Or is it just one of an incident. We have a free media and army is under the control of government, not the other way around. So, there can be criticizing reports of actions in army. And army men are humans, they have disagreements, sometimes that goes out of hands. If such discrimination occur, then strict actions are taken.

Actually, you are not making a case here, you are indiscriminately talking about India and it's actions. may be trying to score some points. Just read back your statements proves the load of irregular arguments.
 
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Which people? You know and I know there are dozens of ethnic groups in Asia whom the British had chained together.
So the Hindu Punjabis are ethnically different?

Are the peoples on both sides really the same people just being divided along the religious line?
Not really. Although of course Punjabis on both sides of the border have many similarities. Equally, you will find some similarities in Rajasthan/Sindh. Maybe some Pakistani can shed light on this - but aren't Sindhis now a minority in major cities in Sindh?

Pakistan's "Father of the Nation" - Jinnah is from Gujarat which is in India. Their national language is Urdu which again is from Central India. Lots of Sikh holy places are in present day Pakistan. I once met an ethnic Goan in Toronto whose family migrated from Pakistan to Canada but they had been Pakistani citizens but were of Goan heritage.

There are lots of Hindu Sindhis in Mumbai.

So there is no straight answer. I would say most people are different but a numerically significant minority on either side has some sort of connect to the other side.

There was never a Muslim ruler over the former Kingdom which I live. Hence your argument is null. I know, Pakistan's history starts with only Muslim rulers. How about those Pagans who ruled you for more than 1000 years? And your ancestors, same as mine are nothing but Idolaters and Pagans who prayed to sun, earth, rock, trees and so on. Does that make any of us any less?
That's not the topic here, It's partition.

Speaking of Bengali language, I think you have no idea about it, when the federal status for Bengali was put foreward the government stand was widely viewed as an attempt to suppress the culture of the eastern wing. The people of East Bengal demanded that their language be given federal status alongside Urdu and English. The language movement started after independance, as civil society protested the removal of the Bengali script from
There was never a Muslim ruler over the former Kingdom which I live. Hence your argument is null. I know, Pakistan's history starts with only Muslim rulers. How about those Pagans who ruled you for more than 1000 years? And your ancestors, same as mine are nothing but Idolaters and Pagans who prayed to sun, earth, rock, trees and so on. Does that make any of us any less?
That's not the topic here, It's partition.

Speaking of Bengali language, I think you have no idea about it, when the federal status for Bengali was put foreward the government stand was widely viewed as an attempt to suppress the culture of the eastern wing. The people of East Bengal demanded that their language be given federal status alongside Urdu and English. The language movement started after independance, as civil society protested the removal of the Bengali script from currency and stamps, which were in place since the British governments. The movement reached its climax in 1952, when the police fired on protesting students and civilians, causing several deaths.

Go check this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mother_Language_Day :D



Tell that to your constitution which denies people from minority becoming president or army chiefs. Equality :lol:

Yeah, every Indian is equal. Stop making stupid remarks to prove otherwise. it's a country of 1.3 billion, a mere criminal activity don't represent the entire country. Tensions are bound to happen. Actions are being taken against whoever commit violence and unlawful activities.

currency and stamps, which were in place since the British governments. The movement reached its climax in 1952, when the police fired on protesting students and civilians, causing several deaths.

Go check this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mother_Language_Day :D



Tell that to your constitution which denies people from minority becoming president or army chiefs. Equality :lol:

Yeah, every Indian is equal. Stop making stupid remarks to prove otherwise. it's a country of 1.3 billion, a mere criminal activity don't represent the entire country. Tensions are bound to happen. Actions are being taken against whoever commit violence and unlawful activities.

I too have wondered about this "1000 year rule" point that Pakistanis tend to make. Besides Delhi which was under Mughal rule - was any major Indian city ever under Mughal rule - don't think Mumbai, Calcutta, Chennai, Bangalore, Mangalore, Pune, Nagpur etc. were under Mughal rule. And even the Mughal rule did not last more than a few generations - so where do the Pakistanis get the 1000 year number from?
 
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So the Hindu Punjabis are ethnically different?
If you read what I posted I said all Punjabis are the same. And that includes Punjabi Hindus. Sindhi Hindus more similar to Sindhis then then they are with me. However do please enumerate the number of Hindu Punjabis/Hindu Sindhis? Let me know. thanks.
 
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Are the peoples on both sides really the same people just being divided along the religious line?

Who cares if we were "same" or not. India is so diverse that food, language/dialect, skin color change within a single state boundary.
Division among Hindus and Muslims is the biggest lie of partition of India. A Muslim population, the same size as Pakistan lives and thrives in India. It was more a partition of tolerant and not-so tolerant Muslims of India. Whatever the politics, media reports, on ground, Hindus and Muslims in India live with each other with common goals. This is the real fact. Partition was a separation of Muslims of the sub-continent.
 
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I didn't call you a stupid, I was talking about stupidity in making an argument with prejudice.

My question was are all Dalit mis treated. Or is it just one of an incident. We have a free media and army is under the control of government, not the other way around. So, there can be criticizing reports of actions in army. And army men are humans, they have disagreements, sometimes that goes out of hands. If such discrimination occur, then strict actions are taken.

Actually, you are not making a case here, you are indiscriminately talking about India and it's actions. may be trying to score some points. Just read back your statements proves the load of irregular arguments.
Yes I hate India. That why I visited and even told you above that my stay there was very positive. But Indians on PDF.......
 
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