Calm down man, I WAS claiming that Salim's not a Muslim! I initially didn't want to say it because he might not like me talking on his behalf. That's it, easy with the big "bhashans".
Calm down? You're talking like i'm the one on an anti-dimension spree!
... How do you know he's not? His name suggests otherwise...
Did you just insult me by saying I am giving a "Bhashan"? Its not a bhashan, its a takriir! I'm a Pakistani now! Please understand that Urdu is what I speak!
I know it's bad for India, but that doesn't necessarily mean its good for Pakistan or the Indian Muslims. It just doesn't matter to Pakistan, and keeps the Indian Muslims from forming good bonds with their fellow citizens. Of course I do maintain that the bulk of the fault lies with the tyranny imposed by the Hindu extremists of India.
Man we need loyalists... we need nationalists, we need people who value this nation and love it with every passing breathe! I believe we will not have so many problems if people are loyal to Pakistan and remember Jinnahs words! Look at how much corruption there is? If we have people who are grateful to Pakistan and believe that Pakistan is the best thing that happened to them then our problems will start fading! If people will do the tasks set to them by their occupations with pride and zeal and with the notion that they are doing something for the nation that saved them then its great!
I knew a person who came from Hyderabad in India and the Nationalists helped settle in Karachi and get a Pakistani passport... he got a job as a police officer and he took his job extremely seriously! He got 2 wanted criminals arrested and got 4 Policemen in North Nazimabad who were helping bastards steal mobile phones in barely 2 months! Only 2 months after he got the job he was shot dead in a drive-by shooting just outside his house but thats not my point! My point is his commitment and his only wish to serve the nation that helped him and make it better! May his soul rest in peace! It is up to us to make Pakistan... we should not think of these people as liability
Are you okay or is this normal talk for you?
How is it not good for them? Ask some of them and they will tell you how Pakistan saved them from Indian oppression and how they will always be indebted and will always love this nation! Not good for Pakistan? Man these are the people that make the difference! They can destroy the diciet, corrption and crime in Pakistan through their loyalty!
I like the Buddhists monks too but I don't want any of them. I like Malaysians and won't want them either. Pakistan's economy cannot afford it.
They will make the economy stronger! It is up to the people to change this! Our economy can be made stronger if we let such people in and don't show them this attitude! We especially need the well-educated and sucessful ones who can improve Pakistans economy which you are trying to present as extremely weak!
Pakistan was created as a safe-haven for India's minorities not just Muslims. My forefathers didn't shift from India, but it was as recent as my father. Even still I won't support this ridiculous notion that we should open nationality for all Indian Muslims. It's risky, its dangerous, its a burden on our economy.
True! Many Christians, Bhuddists and Parsis shifted to Pakistan too and some christians still do... but what I don't understand is what you are trying to say and how it is relevant?
Anyone who has the iron will and courage to serve our nation should be given the chance to do it! They are not a burden on our economy! Many educated people are shifting to Pakistan and they bring their skills along with them! I know many such people! I know a person who shifted in 1998 and now has an extremely sucessful business! How can you say they are a burden on our economy? I am not saying that we should take in refugees or bikharees. I did not say that people who do not have any power or wish to change anything and are just discontent in India should be allowed!
Again, Jinnah said in Pakistan you are free to go to you mosques, temples and your religion has nothing to do with the business of the state. Of course we should allow the good Indian Muslims a chance to become Pakistani as well but it should be through the current NORMAL naturalization process that exists in Pakistan today.
How is that relevant? Are we talking about secularism in Pakistan? And did I ever deny this? Did I say minorities should be thrown out of Pakistan wailing and screaming??? Infact check the thread "How Secular Is India" and I qouted Jinnahs same words myself after Marathaboy was talking about how secular was Pakistan since talking about Secularism in India is too much for him to bear! I have no qualms with minorities in Pakistan!
What do you mean by "good" Indian muslims? Muslims who identify themselves as muhajirs when they come to Pakistan and be your nice pets? So you are suggesting that my family were "bad" Indian muslims so they shifted to Pakistan? Is this Lord Of the Rings where me and my family is "Soren and his orc army"
As I said before... PIPE DOWN.
Yup, pipe down! Its not good for your health to be so angry! You might get a fever! Please discard the angro-phobia thats gripping you as it is extremely harmful to you!
I'd be happy that he became Pakistani if he did so through all legal means and went through the complete naturalization process. Pakistan officially removed the provision that allows people to come from India and claim nationality in 1954. We gave everyone enough of a chance to come don't you think? Now they have to follow a bigger process and that's the legal way. Anyone who becomes a Pakistani in a legal way is okay by me.
You're talking like he has to move mountains to get a Pakistani passport! He came to Pakistan first then he went for the Naturalization process and he was given a Pakistani passport! People see the process as extremely tough on people wishing to migrate from their respective nations but its not true! Especially if its done through respectable organizations!
Even Afghanis come to Pakistan and have gotten Pakistani passports. I don't consider them Pakistanis because they cheated the Pakistani government and the taxpayers would have to bear the brunt for their expenses.
True! We want loyal citizens rather than such people! We want people who want to and can correct the problems in Pakistan rather than cause trouble! Congratulations you finally have managed to say something useful!
Yes that's a different story all together. But we aren't an America type economy to be able to grant Asylums to 150 million people. But keep the process open so the select few can work hard and come here.
1) 150 million would'nt come anyway! You more than know it! Indian muslims are too attracted to their properties, land and inherited wealth to come! They may be moaning about the discrimination they suffer but they have reasons for sticking with India!
2) I did not say that we should accept just anyone! But those who prove their loyalty or need to migrate and prove that they do not have a criminal record should be accepted! Also we should give preference to the educated and Elite as they are the ones who will really be able to bosst us!
Select few? We need many people like those who think of Pakistan as a haven and are grateful to Pakistan as they see Pakistan as a nation that has given them a new life! These people will truely be loyal to Pakistan and can eliminate the problems that exist in the nation! If India wants to toss them as they want to do with my family then we are more than ready to accept them and many people are still being helped by various organizations even Indian ones to shift discontented people to Pakistan from India, like it or Not!
No, seriously you're right! No kidding Anymore!
