Give us 5th Gen technology for fighter orders: IAF

[randomradio]

I am no specialist but It hurts... thorra sa kam plz

This is from one of the top executives of Dassault.

• First version reduce RCS from 0.47 m^2 to 0.06 m^2 for clean aircraft
• Second version after the PEA DEDIRA reduce RCS to 0.001 m^2 for clean aircraft

With weapons load Rafale SER seems to be 0.6 with first version and 0.01 after DEDIRA.

It means the current version of Rafale that IAF will take delivery from next year is as stealthy as the F-117 while carrying external weapons. The next version of Rafale will match or exceed F-22's stealth capabilities.

The next version of Rafale will not have conventional electronics like today's fighters, including the F-35, it will be completely unified.

Rafale more capable than F-35?

Read above.

 

[My-Analogous]

Sources have confirmed that india is indeed negotiating for 3000 F35s

I think India should go for UFO's.They have money, they have power and most importantly they have BRAIN to do that. Best of luck India

Rafale more capable than F-35?

If it is in IAF then only F22 can beat them according to Indian sources

 

[Trango Towers]

has the prototype pictured above completed taxi tests?

Yes it was in a taxi

 

[Papa Dragon]

Rafale is not 4th gen. It only looks like a 4th gen, the version we are going for through the tender will be more advanced and capable than the F-22 and F-35.

Alright man, I peaceout here. You're way too much into fanboy stuff

 

[rambro]

Rafale is not 4th gen. It only looks like a 4th gen, the version we are going for through the tender will be more advanced and capable than the F-22 and F-35.

This is so good

 

[Daghalodi]

Rafale is not 4th gen. It only looks like a 4th gen, the version we are going for through the tender will be more advanced and capable than the F-22 and F-35.

 

[Pyara9]

SOURCE: VISHAL KARPE / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

All Interested Companies who are keen to bid on India’s recently issued Request for Information for the supply of 110 units of fighter jets have been told by IAF not only to provide Transfer of Technology (TOT) for this jets to be manufactured in India but also give them access to their technology which can be used by India to produce 5th Generation AMCA fighter jet .

Indian Air Force for the first time has directly linked supply of 110 units of a fighter jet with India’s AMCA fighter jet, which Aerospace Giants see as an enhanced business opportunity which can further consolidate their presence in India due to which many have agreed to IAF’s proposal.

Boeing already has tied up with HAL to produce F-18E/F Super Hornets just off the Chennai in new upcoming Defence corridor if they do win the orders from IAF. Boeing also has offered to use the same facility to manufacture India’s AMCA jointly with HAL once the orders of F-18E/F Super Hornet are full filled.

Boeing which lost out to Lockheed Martin in Joint Strike fighter contract in the United States over a decade ago is only company which has experience in manufacturing of 5th generation fighter jets and is also keen on keeping its fighter jet business open after United States Navy started replacing F-18s with F-35 fighter jets.

Dassault Aviation which already has bagged orders for 36 Rafale aircraft also has offered deep Technology Transfer for local production and is also keen to collaborate on the development of the AMCA.

French Companies already have offered to develop a new engine to power AMCA with India and have also offered Radars, and other sensor packages for AMCA and LCA-Tejas MK1A and MK2.

Swedish Saab also as offered its Gripen-E to India and is also keen to collaborate with India to develop AMCA. Saab which is working on Flygsystem 2020, which is an ongoing project by the Swedish Air Force to develop a fifth-generation jet fighter stealth aircraft by 2020 is working out details how both programs can benefit each other if it is awarded a contract for 110 units.

Lockheed Martin which has offered India it’s F-16 Dash 5 Configuration aircraft is keen on making India Service hub for all the F-16 fleet operator and also to develop new aircraft for export. Lockheed Martin which is the developer of worlds first 5th generation aircraft F-22 and later followed up with F-35 seems to be the strongest candidate on paper but the company has not made any direct offer to collaborate on the development of AMCA and they are very much keen to sell their F-35s to India in future.

Russian offer of Mig-35 looks weak but with strong economic sanctions and week economy, we will have to wait to see if there will be game changer offer coming from Russian to work on India’s AMCA. India is yet to agree to procure FGFA Stealth fighter aircraft from Russia and in past Russians have been very keen on linking both the project together.

Eurofighter consortium is the most silent observers in IAF’s RFI till now and has not disclosed if they are interested in offering their Eurofighter Typhoon to India. Eurofighter Typhoon along with Dassault Rafale was only other aircraft which cleared all the technical parameters of the then MMRCA Tender but lost out due to pricing.

By linking India’s AMCA program with 110 units of the fighter, IAF plans to buy from International Vendor. IAF is ensuring that there is a fail-safe mechanism in place for India’s biggest aerospace project to avoid delays it had to face due to lack of technological partner and also due to delays in technology realization for the LCA-Tejas program.


http://idrw.org/give-us-5th-gen-technology-for-fighter-orders-iaf/

Nice wishful thinking.. kinda like playing hard to get..it doesn't get old i guess. didn't work in regards to Rafeal deal probably won't work now.. keep trying India.

While india was busy with their tender for 100 and how many 4th gen plus fighters (24)?? For how many years? We managed to have 100 Jf-17 flying all home built with full technology transfer as we are partners.

So here we go again.. another tender 5th gen this time. I'm impressed! I bet you my bottom dollar by the time India has anything 5th gen, Pak Af will have a counter for it.

That's if we don't have our Azm fighter flying by then. Talk is cheap. Put your money where your mouth is..

Everyone knows you open your mouth wide more then you need to.. But when it comes down to facts you crumble. Joke of the century.

You know what else is funny? Even the partners who participated in the f-35 program don't have the Technology transfer. Some how the suppa powa is going to walk in and get it all?

China is supposed to be next super power look at how U.S(boss) is dealing with it. Some how you Indians are going to become Suppa powaa without anyone in the west noticing? Lmao They have plans for you.. just like they do for everyone.

 

[randomradio]

Alright man, I peaceout here. You're way too much into fanboy stuff

Dispute this.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/give...ighter-orders-iaf.554327/page-4#post-10429486

It's from a high ranking French industry expert.

 

[ashok321]

https://twitter.com/x/status/987204057881284608

 

[Shamsher1990]

bhai jan i understand one thing few months ago india buy 36 rafale after 15 years of talks and defense minister said we have no more money to buy more rafale . and you here claiming 200-300- rafales like hot cakes .

Actually that makes Rafales the most probable fighter to be bought. There is already going to be infra ready for Rafale. Weapons already being imported. France has already charged india billions to make India specific changes. So now France can offer prices which others can not. At 100 million per plane, it will be $30 billion for just planes add another 15 billion for weapons and spares. 45 Billions. Thats not unthinkable. Especially over a period of 15 years. That will be 3 Billion per year. Very much doable even if India wants to take a loan of whole amount. 45 Billion will be about 10% of Indian govt current revenue and will make India's debt to about 600 Billion dollars, still less than 70% of Indian GDP.

Oh and BTW, France has just started a sixth gen fighter project with Germany. So it will not be hard for her to part with stealth and engine related tech to India. 45 billion over 10 years will ensure enough money can be pumped into sixth gen project.

BTW, I cann't say the same about Turkey and TAI and TFX and Azm and Fifth Gen Pakistani 'Umbishion'. Plus, since they have miffed the Uncle, it will be hard for them to get western engine tech or weapons now. Even being a NATO member that is.

We managed to have 100 Jf-17 flying all home built with full technology transfer as we are partners.

The scale is totally different. That kind of ToT is available a dime a dozen. F16? Sure! If India wanted mirage 2000 full ToT? Sure! Even grippen, yeah sure! Or Mig 35, again Sure!. JF-17 level tech can be bought very easily. Mind you, you don't have ToT for engine or radar or A2A missiles.

 

[Pyara9]

Actually that makes Rafales the most probable fighter to be bought. There is already going to be infra ready for Rafale. Weapons already being imported. France has already charged india billions to make India specific changes. So now France can offer prices which others can not. At 100 million per plane, it will be $30 billion for just planes add another 15 billion for weapons and spares. 45 Billions. Thats not unthinkable. Especially over a period of 15 years. That will be 3 Billion per year. Very much doable even if India wants to take a loan of whole amount. 45 Billion will be about 10% of Indian govt current revenue and will make India's debt to about 600 Billion dollars, still less than 70% of Indian GDP.

Oh and BTW, France has just started a sixth gen fighter project with Germany. So it will not be hard for her to part with stealth and engine related tech to India. 45 billion over 10 years will ensure enough money can be pumped into sixth gen project.

BTW, I cann't say the same about Turkey and TAI and TFX and Azm and Fifth Gen Pakistani 'Umbishion'. Plus, since they have miffed the Uncle, it will be hard for them to get western engine tech or weapons now. Even being a NATO member that is.


The scale is totally different. That kind of ToT is available a dime a dozen. F16? Sure! If India wanted mirage 2000 full ToT? Sure! Even grippen, yeah sure! Or Mig 35, again Sure!. JF-17 level tech can be bought very easily. Mind you, you don't have ToT for engine or radar or A2A missiles.

My point was they are never going to give you tot for F-35 in the near future. So you just want to troll the market for about next 10-15 years. Go ahead.. won't be the first time.


Okay so your saying 4th gen fighter technology can be easily brought?
HAHA! if it was so easy why isn't Tejas flying? Again talk is cheap.

 

[Shamsher1990]

HAHA! if it was so easy why isn't Tejas flying? Again talk is cheap.

Hold on a minute. Building from Scratch and Buying from open market. There is a major difference between these two. You can buy a computer kit from market with all the processor, motherboard etc and assemble in your home. Heck it will even come with all the documentation and design of your computer case, your motherboard etc. Its altogether a different level to attempt to manufacture a motherboard or a GPU or a CPU. India attempted later, Pakistan got the first one. Actually it was more like a custom desktop built for your nation by China.

Answer me, can you manufacture JF-17 engine locally? Or radar locally? Or do you have control laws figured out by your engineers? Or do you have technology to manufacture a A2A BVR in Pakistan? You didn't and you cann't even attempt it.

 

[Pyara9]

Hold on a minute. Building from Scratch and Buying from open market. There is a major difference between these two. You can buy a computer kit from market with all the processor, motherboard etc and assemble in your home. Heck it will even come with all the documentation and design of your computer case, your motherboard etc. Its altogether a different level to attempt to manufacture a motherboard or a GPU or a CPU. India attempted later, Pakistan got the first one.

Building from scratch? Really? Tell me about the engine.. Who designed it and tested it? Was it Drdo or Hal?

 

[Shamsher1990]

Building from scratch? Really? Tell me about the engine.. Who designed it and tested it? Was it Drdo or Hal?

DRDO attempted Kaveri, it failed no doubt in this attempt. The project is still alive and will need some hand holding from France to make it successful. Pakistan cannot do it even in next 50 years.

Building from scratch? Really?

Yes it was. Control laws, Engine, Radar all was attempted. So was A2A missiles. Control laws worked really well, so has A2A missiles. Radar and Engine did not.

 

[Pyara9]

DRDO attempted Kaveri, it failed no doubt in this attempt. The project is still alive and will need some hand holding from France to make it successful. Pakistan cannot do it even in next 50 years.


Yes it was. Control laws, Engine, Radar all was attempted. So was A2A missiles. Control laws worked really well, so has A2A missiles. Radar and Engine did not.

Lmao. Pakistan can't do what? Attempt to make a jet engine and fail miserably? I think we can do that. Definitely don't need 50 years to archive that.