Give kashmir or take kashmir. Make up your mind as enemy is getting bold

[Albatross]

It is not the first time that Modi has shown his utter hatred for Pakistan. Following is a brief summary of his actions after taking over as Pm.

1)Indian firing across Loc on end day killing dozens . 6 Oct 14
2) Then again in January IA fired across Loc using a large number of mortar shells
3)Despite positive statements of Pm nawaz cancelled secretary level dialogue to resume peace process.
4)He and his cabinet members never let go off any chance to malign Pakistan and goes the extra mile to unite fact and fiction.
5)Numerous proofs came to surface of Raw involvement in spreading terror in Pakistan ranging from discovery of indian currency and weapons, photos of militants like brahamdag bugti with their raw handler. mulla fazullah TTP chief being kept in a safe heaven by raw in Afghanistan.
6)Recent indian heart burn on a intel share deal between NDS and ISI (it was a deal between two sovereign states and indian reaction proved they don't want Afghanistan to adopt a balanced foreign policy and prefer people like Karzai who say yes to every indian demand)
7) Modi opposed CPEC during a meeting with Chinese president again intervening between affairs of two sovereign states though he was silenced by Chinese president saying china is only doing development.
8) And to top it up he now admitted in Dhaka the active role IA played in dividing Pakistan.

Everybody mean all intelligence agencies round the globe knows what India did in 1971 how the seeds of hatred were sown by them once they got a chance due to ZAB greed for power. IA commandos were used to kill civilians wearing PA uniforms and rest is all history.

My point here is Indian hatred for Pakistan is not new but now they have got a leader who is sadist and a world known criminal for killing thousands of innocent Muslims and is shameless beyond words lacking all human qualities and better be considered a beast disguised as a human. He will unify Indian hate for Pakistan and will try to isolate Pakistan to a point where he thinks we will withdraw our Iok claim and would be able to use Pakistan to access Iran, Afghanistan and central Asia. He believes in use of force and is very open in accepting so and I guess we should be ready for things heating up instantly after some major massacre of indian troops in Kashmir or some bomb blast's in cities both of which will be false flag ops most probably.

Now coming to Pakistan as a state we have contained militancy to a good extent as compared to 2008-09 but roots of the problem still exist which is worrying and needs to be dealt with asap only then we can focus On our real issue of India.

After having met and worked with indians of all castes and religions from north and south(in one of the worlds best multinational company where most of the people are highly educated and groomed)
I have concluded they have not yet accepted the reality of a separate muslim state and they all know deep with in that Kashmir being a muslim majority state was Never theirs as per two nation theory .

Now a painful reality check india owing to its bigger economy and religion(which align itself naturally with anti islam sentiments) has a successful diplomatic strategy and a more advanced army (I am not saying better) on the other hand Pakistan has no one to support her in the event of a war except Turkey(that too under tayab only) and china but that too will be limited if Pakistan is labeled as the aggressor .

Keeping in mind indian hatred and desire to make loc the border I have following two solutions and would like your input.

1) Make LOC international border withdrawing rights over IOK and make Azad Kashmir our 5th province and gilgit baltistan 6th.Give india rail, road, pipelines access to iran , afghanstan and central asia earning billions of dollars and getting rid of all militancy in country and region will be free of tensions. Pakistan in 5-10 years can be in worlds top 10 economies by just giving transit services to india and .

Two major drawback for this solution would be acute water shortage In pakistan if India as some intel suggested kept drilling underground tunnels to deviate indus river flow .In other words we will be dependent on Indiaa for our water.
Secondly thousands of martyrs who gave their blood to free their muslim brothers from oppression will go in vain destroying armys morale rendering it weak against our second biggest enemy Israel

2)Put our own house in order and then let the whole world know that Kashmir is ours and if nobody cares about UN resolutions we do and will get it byforce if not by diplomacy.
Distribute half of nukes across international border telling world we wont use them unless india violates international border and start our offensive from north from siachin and kargil sectors and arm Kashmiri youth let the two armies fight and the stronger will be winner and we all know who will that be.

If we can deter india from international border and fight a localized war in Kashmir with the help of kashmiries I am sure we can win it in less than a month.

In the former case Pakistanis will die a slow death looking for water and in the later case even if we loose in conquering the whole Kashmir we will gain some area forsure if attack is planned well plus Kashmir dispute will be highlighted in a way that nothing else can do.

I will personally go by the later solution as people like modi don't understand the language of saris and congratulation criminals like him only understand the language of bullets.

 

[Albatross]

@Horus @Aether @pakdefender @Windjammer @Rashid Mahmood @Akheilos @Areesh @Zarvan @ChineseTiger1986 @syedali73

I would like to have your professional views on localized Kashmir war highlighting equipment required and what we have have and what we need and the surprises we may face from IA.

 

[syedali73]

@Aether @pakdefender @Windjammer @Rashid Mahmood @Akheilos @Areesh @Zarvan @ChineseTiger1986 @syedali73

I would like to have your professional views on localized Kashmir war highlighting equipment required and what we have have and what we need and the surprises we may face from IA.

Merey Bhai, are you not expecting too much from Nawaz and family? Untill these morons are at the helm, nothing is going to happen. An army of jackals can win the battle when in command of a lion but an army of lions cant win a battle when in command of a jackal.

 

[Zarvan]

@Horus @Aether @pakdefender @Windjammer @Rashid Mahmood @Akheilos @Areesh @Zarvan @ChineseTiger1986 @syedali73

I would like to have your professional views on localized Kashmir war highlighting equipment required and what we have have and what we need and the surprises we may face from IA.

Our economy sucks that is the issue other wise we need to increase size of Armed Forces and Para Military give the lot more weapons and also change doctrine completely, defensive strategy should be changed into all out offensive war.

 

[indo]

You are joking right?

 

[Albatross]

Merey Bhai, are you not expecting too much from Nawaz and family? Untill these morons are at the helm, nothing is going to happen. An army of jackals can win the battle when in command of a lion but an army of lions cant win a battle when in command of a jackal.

I am not talking of an immediate offensive but to plan things for near future and build up the pressure and motivation plus you know how things work in Pakistan if a consensus is reached on solving Kashmir issue our way getting rid of nawaz shareef is a few minutes job remember 99.

 

[deepak.chauhan2312]

Merey Bhai, are you not expecting too much from Nawaz and family? Untill these morons are at the helm, nothing is going to happen. An army of jackals can win the battle when in command of a lion but an army of lions cant win a battle when in command of a jackal.

and sir what about other army if they are all lions and their leader too is Lion and there are more than 13 lakh of those will it be enough to have a lion leader

 

[indo]

India and indians are our eternal enemy they are a nation we were born to bury



But the other army is hindu a naturally gutless and beghairat kaum

Sure, whatever.

 

[Albatross]

Our economy sucks that is the issue other wise we need to increase size of Armed Forces and Para Military give the lot more weapons and also change doctrine completely, defensive strategy should be changed into all out offensive war.

So in other words you also agree with second solutions its not much of an economy issue if we talk of localized war we can put atomic program and other major consumers on slow burner for a year to acquire the required weaponry or make them at home or with china.

What I am talking of is a 50000 strong SSG capable of fighting in day and night having the best possible equipment .

 

[tested]

@Horus @Aether @pakdefender @Windjammer @Rashid Mahmood @Akheilos @Areesh @Zarvan @ChineseTiger1986 @syedali73

I would like to have your professional views on localized Kashmir war highlighting equipment required and what we have have and what we need and the surprises we may face from IA.

There won't ever be a localized war in Kashmir if India feels pressured.

The only reason why India kept the Kargil issue localized was because the MEA(Ministry of External Affairs) was able to convince the MoD(Ministry of Defense - that runs the Army) that they will be able to damage Pakistan very effectively if the Army kept its ops localized to Kashmir. And the MEA delivered on their promise, Pakistan's international standing and credibility was shattered internationally.

However, if the Indian positions are ever at threat, India would escalate the war across the entire front.

 

[saurav]

Lets hope someone at the helm listens to you sane advise and chooses option 2.

 

[deepak.chauhan2312]

India and indians are our eternal enemy they are a nation we were born to bury



But the other army is hindu a naturally gutless and beghairat kaum

hahahaha wtf logic of a pakistani senior member

 

[OrionHunter]

and sir what about other army if they are all lions and their leader too is Lion and there are more than 13 lakh of those will it be enough to have a lion leader

Our Pakistani friends have the impression that the Indian Army is a bunch of jokers, yindoo banyas who can't fight, in spite of Pakistan losing all wars against India with a lot of egg on their faces!! But some never seem to learn lessons.

Their ignorance of reality and living in a cocoon of denial is their hallmark. Just ignore the grandiose statements that keep emanating from across in order to sustain the morale of their troops and civilians.

 

[saurav]

There won't ever be a localized war in Kashmir if India feels pressured.

The only reason why India kept the Kargil issue localized was because the MEA(Ministry of External Affairs) was able to convince the MoD(Ministry of Defense - that runs the Army) that they will be able to damage Pakistan very effectively if the Army kept its ops localized to Kashmir. And the MEA delivered on their promise, Pakistan's international standing and credibility was shattered internationally.

However, if the Indian positions are ever at threat, India would escalate the war across the entire front.

He is just 50 years late. This "localized war with help of Kashmiri youth" was advised by their Bhutto to AYub Khan resulting in 1965. Good to see this incredibly sane theory making a comeback...

 

[ares]

These Pakistani kids simply don't realize, that they can not win a war with India, be it conventional or nuclear.

There is nothing Pakistan has, which India doesn't and more and in many cases better.

It is a fact, Pakistani politicians and even generals have realised ... but you kids need to grow up.