'Gifts' by immigrants from Pakistan to India

[El Sidd]

You can't jump up and declare independence. It takes preparation. There is too much ignorance in the population topped over by ideology, and there are threats from China and Pakistan. If Afghanistan to Bangal came under Hindustan Union similar to EU, with NATO like defense/security structure and mechanism then Bihar will be an independent member. It will be Greater Hindustan again, similar to Maurya, Delhi Sultanate, and Mughal empires. How likely is that today? Zero chance, but in the distant future may be possible.

There is no Bihari nationalist sentiment, although there should be for Biharis to look after Biharis and foster a sense of unity. Sindh is much more independent minded and nationalist than Bihar, for example Jiye Sindh movement. Reason is that the Bihari identity is tied to Hindustan, which Biharis consider to be from Kabul to Bangal. Ancient Bihari identity (the original ruling caste) existed on the Indus long before your Scythian ancestors were there. Hence, Bihari identity is different from Nepali or Bengali identity.

Ancient Indian empires were based from Bihar and Biharis were involved with medieval Indian empires of Delhi Sultanate and Mughal, as well as with Pakistan, however they did not think they were fighting Indian civilization like Pakistani nationalists do. We are not anti-Indian as Bihari culture is Hindustani. My ancestry actually gave identity to India, you can call me Hindustani nationalist and I will have no problem with it.

This reminds me of interesting stories different tribes in Papua New Guinea have to tell round a fire pit.

 

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This reminds me of interesting stories different tribes in Papua New Guinea have to tell round a fire pit.

Papuans are proud of who they are, you should be too. They are not gypsy wannabes.

 

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Hindustan Union similar to EU, with NATO like defense/security structure and mechanism

Big paradigm shifts are occurring in the global order. European Union will become more fascist as it distances itself from the US. While Emiratis and Bahrainis are speaking like they were Zionist since the beginning of time. Saudis are half way there. Normalization of Zionism is their idea.

There is no option but to disband OIC. It serves no purpose. You have many Pakistanis in Saudia and Emirates, but there are also many Filipinos and Indians. You don't need the OIC. There are no workers from Indonesia, Malaysia, or Vietnam in these countries. That should be the goal.

Greater Hindustan Union will seek good relations with China and will not suck up to any state. Human dignity is very important. Parents birthed us through the miracle of God, not any state, government, ideology, or party.

 

[El Sidd]

Papuans are proud of who they are, you should be too. They are not gypsy wannabes.

How are Indians any different from Papuans? Are they not cool enough for your fantasy league Hindustani empire? If you factor in their love for cricket, they are very much alike you in customs and traditions. The elusive genre of the 5th world.

Normalization of Zionism is their idea.

Mazel Tov !!

Greater Hindustan

Is this not Hindu Zionism? How is it kosher to you and a concept untouchable for others?

 

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How are Indians any different from Papuans?

I didn't say they were. There are similarities. Lots of different cultures and languages in both. But nobody thinks Indians are a primitive society like Papua. India has sent space missions to moon and mars, something which Pakistan cannot, so I don't understand where your sense of superior cockiness comes from. It is not backed by any achievement above India.

 

[El Sidd]

I didn't say they were. There are similarities. Lots of different cultures and languages in both. But nobody thinks Indians are a primitive society like Papua. India has sent space missions to moon and mars, something which Pakistan cannot, so I don't understand where your sense of superior cockiness comes from. It is not backed by any achievement above India.

You, as an Indian, are calling Papuan society as primitive? Exactly what aspects of the Papuan society have you deemed primitive? I can bet you that those elements would be more prevalent in modern Mars and Moon exploring India.

 

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You, as an Indian, are calling Papuan society as primitive? Exactly what aspects of the Papuan society have you deemed primitive? I can bet you that those elements would be more prevalent in modern Mars and Moon exploring India.

Gypsyman, you are fascinated by Papua now.

If it wasn't for Indian influence you would look like Afghanistan. You produce no worthy leaders. You are a tribal and feudal society. Your top founding leaders migrated from India and you hijacked a world religion to make yourself relevant and dragged its name to trash along with the reputation of Muslims globally.

We are not the same. I am interested in peace and development in Greater Hindustan which has to be done and there are sensible steps forward. For example, space missions, joint research projects, and such.

Hindustan (Not South Asia) Space Agency can accommodate contributions from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Sri Lanka. We are in the 21st century. Tell that to the Taliban who were produced in Pakistan that it is time to come out of barbarism.

 

[El Sidd]

Gypsyman, you are fascinated by Papua now.

If it wasn't for Indian influence you would look like Afghanistan. You produce no worthy leaders. You are a tribal and feudal society. Your top founding leaders migrated from India and you hijacked a world religion to make yourself relevant and dragged its name to trash along with the reputation of Muslims globally.

We are not the same. I am interested in peace and development in Greater Hindustan which has to be done and there are sensible steps forward. For example, space missions, joint research projects, and such.

Hindustan (Not South Asia) Space Agency can accommodate contributions from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Sri Lanka. We are in the 21st century. Tell that to the Taliban (who were produced in Pakistan) that it is time to come out of barbarism.

For all the advancement in traditional medicine in India, there's no remedy to an Indian's delusion and exaggeration.

Nothing like a naked Yogi preaching modesty and self reflection. Hillary-ous.

 

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For all the advancement in traditional medicine in India, there's no remedy to an Indian's delusion and exaggeration.

Nothing like a naked Yogi preaching modesty and self reflection. Hillary-ous.

Gypsyman, you did not refute it.

Taliban was not produced inside Pakistan? What about Al Qaeda?

 

[El Sidd]

Gypsyman, you did not refute it.

Taliban was not produced inside Pakistan? What about Al Qaeda?

Pakistan holds strong sentiments with many nations of the world fighting neo colonialism.

If you continue to tread the path of neo colonialism torn between old world concepts like clash of civilization and utter lunatic revanchism of written history, Pakistan will not let smaller nations in the region be bullied by a mad elephant in a state of mast.

 

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Pakistan holds strong sentiments with many nations of the world fighting neo colonialism.

If you continue to tread the path of neo colonialism torn between old world concepts like clash of civilization and utter lunatic revanchism of written history, Pakistan will not let smaller nations in the region be bullied by a mad elephant in a state of mast.

Hindutva is the only thing that makes Pakistan relevant.

You put yourself at a disadvantage by saying you don't descend from Indian civilization, you will never get respect that way. It also puts Indian Muslims in harm's way. Indian Muslims will reject and fight you knowing that you deny their civilization. I got to know about your ideology on the internet.

The stupidest thing to do is to cede ancient Indian/Hindustani establishment history to Bharati Hindutva, empowering them. How do I know that it is not your interest to empower Bharati Hindutva? Seems like it is. Your identity is tied to Hindutva (two nation theory).

The establishment history belongs to Hindustan, the original ruling caste, not to Bharat (Scythians). In Bihar, the use of royal 'We' (Hum instead of Mein) became normalized. That is how the original ruling caste spoke.

 

[El Sidd]

Hindutva is the only thing that makes Pakistan relevant.

You put yourself at a disadvantage by saying you don't descend from Indian civilization, you will never get respect that way. It also puts Indian Muslims in harm's way. Indian Muslims will reject and fight you knowing that you deny their civilization. I got to know about your ideology on the internet.

The stupidest thing to do is to cede ancient Indian/Hindustani establishment history to Bharati Hindutva, empowering them. How do I know that it is not your interest to empower Bharati Hindutva? Seems like it is. Your identity is tied to Hindutva (two nation theory).

The establishment history belongs to Hindustan, the original ruling caste, not to Bharat (Scythians). In Bihar, the use of royal 'We' (Hum instead of Mein) became normalized. That is how the original ruling caste spoke.

Forget about it half baked fascist from the 5th world.

 

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Forget about it half baked fascist from the 5th world.

There is nothing to worry about for you if it is the fifth world (worse than Africa). Dismissing a nation of a over a billion like it is nothing. You take comfort in lies.

You lost every war and you have hijacked Islam. You are not its representatives.

 

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You count small victories and get very excited over them, but miss the bigger picture that you lost the war. That is very freaky.

 

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Nobody gives land away. The best option is to make LOC formal border and pursue better relations through sensible means. Millions of people are divided across the border. There is no reason Hindus and Sikhs originating in Pakistan should not travel, live, and work there. Or Muslims originating in India. Stop being afraid of human beings and respect yourselves and others, you have thousands of years of ancestry on the land and most have native blood which goes back tens of thousands of years.