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Ghar Wapsi': 300 converted to Hinduism in Varanasi

In Hinduism unlike other religions, there is no apostasy.

You see, for millenia Christians had their missionaries (how would you explain whole of S. Korea / Africa became Christian in a few decades) and Muslims had other means (Dawah, Invasions, Sufism, etc.).

Only Hindus had been adament to prevent reconversions in the middle ages. With Hindu reform movements like Arya Samaj/ Bhakti Samaj (Google them...) during 18th and 19th centuries, Hinduism started reconverting back many earlier adherents.

Nothing wrong in that... unless it is forced (aka ISIS or middle age arab conquerors). And regarding the bold part, who says anyone wants to convert anybody forcefully? Ghar wapasi itself is voluntary... for those who wants to convert (actually convert back) to their forefather's religion.
So you believe that RSS/VHP dont play any tricks with illiterate villiagers to bring them in such ghar wapisi events? Are these Ghar Wapsi events purely spirituals without any political angle to it? Are all people convert for genuine change in their hearts instead of coverting for monetary gain or to get any other advantage in India? How many of them have full understanding of their ex religion and their new religion before deciding which one is best? What caste allotted to them after conversion?

No one of you even explained this silly term Ghar Wapsi. Present Indian Muslims were born as Muslims from many generation. They were never Hindus so it dont make sense to bring them back in Hinduism because their ancestors were Hindus centurues ago. Its like your forefather were farmers or were forced into farming and you chose the profession of medical and be happy with it but ghar wapsi would mean converting you back into profession of farming. Would it make any sense? We know even two brothers could have different spiritual experience so converting people into faith of their forefathers is quiet silly idea unless they personally are not satisfied with their religious beliefs and read about religion without any external force or brainwashing. I only aoprove such conversion because they are entirely spiritual
 
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fair enough, they converted to islam during the oppressive reign of aurangjb. now there is no threat, welcome to the great religion followed by your ancentors.

Using your logic my question is, Should Europeans start following pagan religions and cults again, should indians restart the practice of satti / burning widows alive ???

Christians were originally middle eastern people , today most of them are white, Jews were originally Middle Eastern , today most of them are European Ashkenazi , Muslims were originally Arab, today more than 70% of them are non Arabs, these are historical facts, which cant be denied !!!
 
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Using your logic my question is, Should Europeans start following pagan religions and cults again, should indians restart the practice of satti / burning widows alive ???

Christians were originally middle eastern people , today most of them are white, Jews were originally Middle Eastern , today most of them are European Ashkenazi , Muslims were originally Arab, today more than 70% of them are non Arabs, these are historical facts, which cant be denied !!!


Did you say Pagan?

The death of paganism: how the Roman Empire converted to Christianity
by Sean McLachlan on Sep 21, 2010
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In the year 300 AD, Christianity was a minority religion in the Roman Empire, practiced by perhaps ten percent of the population. In good years it was discriminated against; in bad years it was persecuted. By 400 AD, a century later, it had become the official religion practiced by pretty much everyone. Evidence of this remarkable transformation can still be seen in Rome’s monuments.
Teachers in Sunday schools like to tell a story about how it happened.
In the year 312 there ruled a Roman Emperor named Maxentius who had taken power illegally. He hated Christians and persecuted them. The proper heir to the throne, Constantine, marched on Rome to save the Empire. Before the two forces met in battle, Constantine saw a vision of a cross in the sky and the words “Conquer under this”. Constantine and his army converted to Christianity and painted the cross on their shields. The next day they defeated the pagans and brought Christianity to Rome.
This story is almost entirely wrong, yet it has resonated down the centuries through books, paintings, and films to become part of the Christian legend.
The truth is more complex. Maxentius and Constantine were both sons of emperors and thus equally legitimate. Maxentius did not persecute Christians, and the story of Constantine seeing a cross in the sky doesn’t appear in the texts until years after the battle. Constantine did defeat Maxentius and marched into Rome in triumph, bearing his rival’s severed head as a trophy. After the usual celebrations and gladiator spectacles, he built the Arch of Constantine, which has no Christian symbolism but does depict sacrifices to four pagan gods. In later years he built a number of grandiose churches, including the original St. Peter’s, but didn’t get baptized until his deathbed. Paganism remained legal throughout his reign.
Constantine gave one great boon to the Christians–he legalized their religion. From then on it rapidly gained more followers and began edging out the pagan cults. Soon it was the pagans being persecuted. Rioting monks trashed temples and killed pagan philosophers like Hypatia. In 382 the Altar of Victory was removed from its centuries-old home in the Senate. In 391 paganism was outlawed and temples shut all over the Empire. The old cults hung on for a few generations in rural areas, but Christianity was now the dominant power.
Traces of this incredible transformation are visible in Rome. At the Basilica di San Clemente a 12th century church is built atop a much earlier church. This earlier building was the home of a Roman noble, a secret Christian who invited fellow Christians into his home to worship, a common practice in the days when Christianity was illegal. Underneath his home lies a subterranean temple to the pagan god Mithras.
Entering the medieval church you see the usual grandiose paintings and sculptures. The real interest comes when you descend the stairs into the dank, dark cellar. There you can see the original church much as it was. Descend further and you get back to the days of the pagan Roman Empire. Three rooms survive. One may have been a mint. Another, with a few paintings surviving, was a training room for acolytes in the Mithraic faith. The third is the temple, or mithraeum, for Mithras himself.
%Gallery-102749%Mithras was Christianity’s main rival. As a mystery religion with its deepest teachings revealed only to the initiated, we don’t know much about its inner workings. What we do know shows many similarities between Mithraism and Christianity, such as the belief that Mithras was born on December 25 to a virgin, and died and was resurrected in order to save mankind. The similarities were so numerous that early Christian writers said that the older religion was invented by the Devil as a cheap imitation of Christianity before Jesus was even born!
The mithraeum is a long, rectangular room with benches to either side. Members would sit on these benches and share a communal meal that included bread and wine. At the end of the room stood a plaque showing Mithras in a little-understood ritual of killing a bull. Mithraism was popular, but didn’t have the widespread appeal of Christianity. First off, only men were allowed into the cult. Also, most of the teachings were secret, and while that had a certain mystique, it also turned off many who didn’t want to go through a long period of study and initiation. Despite this more than a dozen mithraea survive in Rome and there were probably hundreds during its heyday.
The transition from pagan to Christian isn’t always as obvious as in San Clemente. Sometimes you can see it in the art, such as the image above, a 4th century mosaic from Santa Pudenziana. Here Christ sits enthroned in a pose identical to many statues of the pagan god Jupiter. Saints Peter and Paul sit to either side dressed as Roman senators. The early Christians saw nothing wrong with this. They wanted to win the hearts and minds of the people, and a bit of reworked pagan symbolism was a good way to do that.
At times the Christians reused old buildings or parts of old buildings. San Maria Maggiore, a third century basilica, was originally a secular building before being converted into a house of worship. This is one of the most stunning churches in Rome, with fifth-century mosaics showing Biblical scenes and a ceiling gilded during the Renaissance with the first gold brought back from the New World. So many Roman sites are only foundations with perhaps a few columns standing, but here you can actually stand inside a Roman building.
Christianity would have never caught on so quickly if it didn’t have the Empire’s infrastructure to spread its message. These were the days when trying to cross a border could easily get you killed, and the Empire provided a large, secure area in which to move about. The Catholic Church understood their debt to Rome and wanted to take on its aura of glory and power. Rome went became the capital of the new faith and its art and architecture was incorporated into churches worldwide. The Church was still trying take on a bit of the old Roman magic as late as the 17th century, when the Pope ordered the giant bronze doors from the old Roman Senate installed in the entrance to St. John Lateran.
The name Roman Catholic Church is no accident.

The death of paganism: how the Roman Empire converted to Christianity - Gadling
 
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How is that closer to ancient Indian tribes? Today's Muslims believe in the Supreme Creator. Are we also ''closer'' to native Indian tribes?

If you read verses of Quran related to Prophet Ibrahim then you will understand by yourself that Prophet Ibrahim was following the religion of the ancient Rig Vedic tribes which was to worship the Supreme Creator in the pure form.

Rig Vedic tribes worship the supreme creator in his pure form even now.
 
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If you read verses of Quran related to Prophet Ibrahim then you will understand by yourself that Prophet Ibrahim was following the religion of the ancient Rig Vedic tribes which was to worship the Supreme Creator in the pure form.

Rig Vedic tribes worship the supreme creator in his pure form even now.
Muslims also worship the Supreme Creator (God) in his pure form. Only we prefer to do it without splitting him up into a hundred personalities and making idols of each of those. Well, to each their own.

If you actually worship the same Supreme Creator, why do you have a problem with our way of worship?
 
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Muslims also worship the Supreme Creator (God) in his pure form. Only we prefer to do it without splitting him up into a hundred personalities and making idols of each of those. Well, to each their own.

If you actually worship the same Supreme Creator, why do you have a problem with our way of worship?

Quran says that the Supreme Creator is Rabbul Alameen not just Rabbul Muslimeen.

If you see the Hindu sages , they do meditation by being alone for years and these were the first seven sagas.

Vashista, Bharadvaja, Jamadagni, Gautama, Atri, Visvamitra, and Agastya
 
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Quran says that the Supreme Creator is Rabbul Alameen not just Rabbul Muslimeen.
And? When have I denied that?

The Quran also says that Idol Worship is wrong. If what you say is true, the only difference between Hindus and Muslim worship is that the former worships God through idols while the latter worships the same God without any idols - why do you have a problem with that?

Since you responded with something completely unrelated, let me repeat my previous question: If Hindus worship the same God as Muslims, why do you need the likes of 'Ghar Wapsi'?
 
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And? When have I denied that?

The Quran also says that Idol Worship is wrong. If what you say is true, the only difference between Hindus and Muslim worship is that the former worships God through idols while the latter worships the same God without any idols - why do you have a problem with that?

Since you responded with something completely unrelated, let me repeat my previous question: If Hindus worship the same God as Muslims, why do you need the likes of 'Ghar Wapsi'?

Ghar Wapsi is nothing but accepting the Indian roots . Indian Muslims are the real link who can explain about the ancient Rig Vedic religion of the Indian tribes. Ancient sages use to meditate for years but there use to be no form of the Supreme Creator.

Hindus and Muslims worship the same Supreme Creator .



if you see carefully Lord Shiva is being worshipped but you wont see any face or form . Amarnath Lingam is a natural formation .

Shiva Linga is a symbol of Lord Shiva- which is formless.


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If you read verses of Quran related to Prophet Ibrahim then you will understand by yourself that Prophet Ibrahim was following the religion of the ancient Rig Vedic tribes which was to worship the Supreme Creator in the pure form.

Rig Vedic tribes worship the supreme creator in his pure form even now.

The Muslim view is 124,000 messengers came through out the world including India over the passage of thousands of years and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was the last of them, where ever humans live, with the message of one God, this is what the Hindu scriptures say in many places, but with time the message was concocted, and idol worship became common, all the religions came from the original one message, Muslim is one who believes in worship of One God, these people have existed in every region throughout the ages, with time, you see variety of religions, you never know many of the personalities in Hindu mythologies were prophets , many people say Bhuddha was a prophet, to cut it short, there was only one message, according to Muslims.
 
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The Muslim view is 124,000 messengers came through out the world including India over the passage of thousands of years and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was the last of them, where ever humans live, with the message of one God, this is what the Hindu scriptures say in many places, but with time the message was concocted, and idol worship became common, all the religions came from the original one message, Muslim is one who believes in worship of One God, these people have existed in every region throughout the ages, with time, you see variety of religions, you never know many of the personalities in Hindu mythologies were prophets , many people say Bhuddha was a prophet, to cut it short, there was only one message, according to Muslims.

In Hinduism, Supreme Being is known as Paramatma, Parabrahm, Purushottam, or Narayan. Purush or Ishwar or Bhagwan or Prabhu, Parameshwara. etc
 
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Instead of this continuous conflict between religions, their ideologies and their beliefs, if we were to focus solely on betterment of our fellow man and advancement of science, this world would be a much better place to live in.
Instead of arguing on who is the true god, true prophet, true religion, if we were to treat the people around us as gods or atleast as prophets, there would be no wars, no weapons, no violence (not counting violence by mentally unstable people).
The average person doesn't care about any god, any country or religion he only cares for the safety and welfare if his immediate family... So in this case of ghar waapsi conversion, he gets converted in the hope of a better life for his family.
 
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fair enough, they converted to islam during the oppressive reign of aurangjb. now there is no threat, welcome to the great religion followed by your ancentors.

Read the news again. Those who according to your source were Christians and thank you for hatred for us
 
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Instead of this continuous conflict between religions, their ideologies and their beliefs, if we were to focus solely on betterment of our fellow man and advancement of science, this world would be a much better place to live in.
Instead of arguing on who is the true god, true prophet, true religion, if we were to treat the people around us as gods or atleast as prophets, there would be no wars, no weapons, no violence (not counting violence by mentally unstable people).
The average person doesn't care about any god, any country or religion he only cares for the safety and welfare if his immediate family... So in this case of ghar waapsi conversion, he gets converted in the hope of a better life for his family.

Those who are having religious books knowledge do understand who is really the supreme creator and what really humanity means.

Actually in India, average person do care about God. Its said that all doors can be closed for one person but the hope he will have in his heart will be from God only .

Technology is for the betterment and security but when technology is used to make life harder then there is a more bigger technology which is of the Supreme Creator.

Ghar Wapsi do have many aspects but i dont think that Hindu Organisations will do the similar like the missionaries have done. Money do play a big role but faith cant be bought be it about Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Buddhists.
 
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